One sin and your done?

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Those who sin willfully and trample the sacrifice of Jesus under foot, there is no more offering for sin sacrifice, roughly in those words. The old testament apparently also says, roughly, intentional sin has no sacrifice for atonement. Punishment came to King David and he lost his sons after willful sin. But because he loved God with all of his heart, he was forgiven by the grace of God. But do not put God to the test.

Do we love God like David? I love God, Jesus and the spirit. But is it enough compared to David who was saved. Others were most likely not forgiven. Also their is an unpardonable sin apparently. So how is it anyone is saved if they willfully sin? Christ came to fulfill the LAW of old. To replace the law. Numbers 15:30 and 31. Says basically, intentional sin is "reviling god". And the unforgivable sin is said to be blaspheming (reviling) the spirit.

Is this not similar? Says Pastor Scott Velain.
Only a fearful wait of fire. Apparently. So it maybe to late for me now?
And the word is the truth/law and endureth forever. The spirit of Truth be a helper to you.the spirit of the law. He guide you to all truth, in you, truth made known to your heart, laws on your hearts and minds. THEN i will remember their sins no more.

This really made me think it's over. According to scripture. Deliberate sin is unpardonable apparently. Explained pastor Scott Velain. If you don't turn and die before turning.

This says to me any sin in weakness after accepting Jesus means were screwed unless we repent (change mind) and stop. A slave to sin, meant unforgiven always, apparently. Depressing.

Yesterday, you were talking about John MacArthur's sermon on The Good Samaritan, and you got it! The Good Samaritan is Jesus! He's the one who saved his enemy (for a Jew really was an enemy to Samaritans as ISIS is an enemy to us!) He's the one who bandaged the wounds, wrapped the naked guy up in his own robes, lifted him onto his donkey, climbed the steep thin path to the city, housed the guy in an inn, stayed with him all night, until he was sure he'd be okay, gave the innkeeper two month's rent, and promised to return to pay any bill above that amount needed to take care of the guy. Jesus did that! Jesus does that for us! He is the lavish giver. He is the one who attends to all of our needs even when we don't deserve it. He is the one who didn't just walk on by.

So, now why are you reducing that image to David? Right! Chances are good we're not as good as David, even though David was a mess too. BUT Jesus chose to save us at our worst and give us all we need.

What do you think became of that beaten-up guy? (If it wasn't just a story, of course.) What would have happened when he got better? Logicing this out, he probably wouldn't go back to full health again. Chances are good there were broken bones and it wasn't like they had hospitals back then to do surgery on the breaks, so he probably would have felt the pain for the rest of his life.

Do you think he just left that inn, or waited for the Samaritan to come back to thank him? Somebody does something that nice for me, and I'm following him forever. So much to learn, so much to thank him for, so much to want to be just like him!

Jesus was that Samaritan! He did that for us! We don't even have to wait around to get better. We can follow. We can learn. We can rely on him! He is our strength! Without him all is impossible. You said that yesterday! Why quit on that today? He saves us as much as he saved David! Isn't he worth seeking? Isn't he worth becoming like him?

We're broken and Jesus is fixing us in lavish style!

Hallelujah!!!

Yo, dude! You renewed my hope yesterday with this message. These kinds of things can be passed along AND kept! Keep it for you too!

 

[Issachar92]

My son as a baby crawled out to the kitchen, and I found him eating out of the dogs bowl. This didn't change him in any way...he was still my son, but I did have to clean him up.

you are comparing a pet dog with no inbuilt moral compass to a human with a moral compass and the indwelling of the Holy Ghost. amazing. Does not equate, dog returns to its vomit remember that one in the bible?

 

[stonesoffire]

But, we are not dogs. Jews did call gentiles dogs.

If we are born of the nature of God...which we are when born again...we are just that. His.

 

[Blain]

Let mask this, if say we struggle with willful sin that does mean we are not saved? like say we struggle with an addiction for 40 years and while we absolutely adore and love God and he is our passion but we have this addiction and we die do we go to heaven or hell?

Is it sin that makes the saved or the heart?

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

If we are talking about addictions then i would say it's not always as easy as simply stopping sometimes we are burdened with thorns that we cannot overcome on our own not that it makes it ok by any means but not everyone has the strength to simply quit. but as for non addictive sins if one just keeps doing them willy nilly and then says i will just ask for forgiveness then that is indeed taking advantage of his grace. a heart that seeks after God would at least feel remorse for the sin but one who continues to do it without any regard of it well.... I doubt his commandments are written on their hearts

I dont believe that an addiction to something sinful justifies doing wrong. I also dont believe that salvation depends on the victory over addiction. It takes an acknowledgement that you are wrong, and that you did wrong. And a willingness in youre heart to stop. I believe we do not nullify grace, its a big part of my beliefs. But I also know that if I willingly give into my desires, when my desires are wrong, and just tell myself "its cool Ill just ask for forgiveness when Im done", I know that I have not repented, and I know that He has warned us about dying in our sins.

There has to be something in the heart that truly wants to change, and come to Him. Its not the victories that we must achieve, but the willingness in our hearts to come to Him and follow Him.

 

[dcontroversal]

But, we are not dogs. Jews did call gentiles dogs.

If we are born of the nature of God...which we are when born again...we are just that. His.

Remember the woman......she said....

EVEN the dogs lick from the crumbs that fall from the master's table.....<---Jesus commended this faith

 

[Blain]

I dont believe that an addiction to something sinful justifies doing wrong. I also dont believe that salvation depends on the victory over addiction. It takes an acknowledgement that you are wrong, and that you did wrong. And a willingness in youre heart to stop. I believe we do not nullify grace, its a big part of my beliefs. But I also know that if I willingly give into my desires, when my desires are wrong, and just tell myself "its cool Ill just ask for forgiveness when Im done", I know that I have not repented, and I know that He has warned us about dying in our sins.

There has to be something in the heart that truly wants to change, and come to Him. Its not the victories that we must achieve, but the willingness in our hearts to come to Him and follow Him.

Exactly like everything in life it all comes down to the heart of the person. If one has an addiction and doesn't even care it's wrong and says no worries i'll just ask for forgiveness then the truth is not in him because we feel remorse for doing wrong when he lives in us. If one doesn't even feel remorse and want to stop in their addiction they are going to be very surprised when they meet God.

But a true believer even if they never overcome their addiction feels remorse and wants to stop that is the difference

 

[stonesoffire]

Remember the woman......she said....

EVEN the dogs lick from the crumbs that fall from the master's table.....<---Jesus commended this faith

I'm not quite sure what you think about this dcontroversal....but I see this woman understanding that Jesus had mercy way beyond most of the Jews of the day, that there was something a great deal different about how He felt about all.

 

[stonesoffire]

Remember this too please...I am married to a Jew.

 

[Blain]

Remember this too please...I am married to a Jew.

I am half Jewish and my best friend is german we make jew vs german jokes all the time to each other lol

 

[stonesoffire]

I am half Jewish and my best friend is german we make jew vs german jokes all the time to each other lol

lol we do too but I am English. same idea though.

 

[Magenta]

I was wondering, many people say you cannot lose salvation except from apostasy. So does that definitely mean a cigarette, a drink, or other, after becoming a Christian, is still forgiven? Definitely. Is this agreed? As some say obedience is key and others do not?

Facts? Thanks.

Having a drink or smoking a cigarette does not make one apostate. Are there people who say this does? Really??? Or is this about the sinless perfectionists, who claim that if you do sin, then you are not saved to begin with? Once we put our faith in Christ, His righteousness covers our sin, for He paid the sin debt. The only sin not covered is that of unbelief, also known as blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. It is essentially impossible for a believer to commit the sin of blasphemy. Blasphemy and belief/faith are mutually exclusive.

 

[Blain]

Having a drink or smoking a cigarette does not make one apostate. Are there people who say this does? Really??? Or is this about the sinless perfectionists, who claim that if you do sin, then you are not saved to begin with? Once we put our faith in Christ, His righteousness covers our sin, for He paid the sin debt. The only sin not covered is that of unbelief, also known as blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. It is essentially impossible for a believer to commit the sin of blasphemy. Blasphemy and belief/faith are mutually exclusive.

I'm not surprised people will call you an apostate for wearing non churchy clothes in church so this being true is not surprising.

 

[Dai3234]

hmm... I never understand what people mean by continuing in willful sin, is it like continuing in an addiction or something?

I think willful sin maybe ignoring the holy spirit when being convicted. Just because you want to E,g, get your leg over etc. Or think yeah it's bad smoking, but I'm going to die anyway, so ignore and continue etc.

 

[Magenta]

I'm not surprised people will call you an apostate for wearing non churchy clothes in church so this being true is not surprising.

Heehee you make me wonder what churchy clothes are There is only one robe of righteousness and it is not of ourselves.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Continuing willful sin is doing what you know is wrong despite knowing that its wrong, alot of people call themselves Christians and do this very thing, and argue that Christ has removed the laws and theres no need to follow them.
Look at Christians who continue to engage in homosexual practices with no desire to change what they do. We are all tempted, but we are told to flee from temptation.

 

[Rondonmon]

First question: What does salvation mean to you? (I'm not being snooty, but so many throw that word around to mean so many things, that I have given up thinking anyone means the same thing when they say that word. So, I'm really asking, albeit with purpose. I can't answer your question without figuring out what your question is.)

Willful sin............If you love sin and willfully sin with glee you are not of God. If you sin while fighting sin and are remorseful and set your heart to change from your ways to God ways.......God sees your heart. David sinned by killing Uriah but God knew his heart.

 

[Blain]

Heehee you make me wonder what churchy clothes are There is only one robe of righteousness and it is not of ourselves.

Oh you know nice neat bright colored clothes neat and tidy hair to the T no dark colors what so ever. I wanted to try this church i saw one time when i was walking and I like dark colors i walked in with black jeans a red shirt with a black lightning pattern on it and a black beany. I tell you the looks i got were scary

 

[Magenta]

Continuing willful sin is doing what you know is wrong despite knowing that its wrong, alot of people call themselves Christians and do this very thing, and argue that Christ has removed the laws and theres no need to follow them.
Look at Christians who continue to engage in homosexual practices with no desire to change what they do. We are all tempted, but we are told to flee from temptation.

That is when the argument of, are they really saved, comes up. It is one thing to give mental assent to the idea of desiring to be saved to escape whatever one believes is entailed in death and not being saved (such as being eternally tormented and tortured in the fiery depths of hell), but even Jesus criticized those who only followed Him to have their physical needs of the flesh met, while proclaiming that the flesh counts for nothing because the requirement of being saved entails being born again of the Holy Spirit of God. One must confess with their mouth and believe in their heart, and that means it is a full person spiritual experience of conviction, whereby one becomes aware of what is not pleasing to God and desires to stop sinning out of love for Him. To rationalize the sins of the flesh while saying one loves God does come across as being double minded and not convicted of sin at all. If one has not been convicted of their sin, how can they believe they are saved from the consequence of it while they carry on in it? It would seem they rationalize the grossest sins of the flesh so they can carry on committing those very same sins of the flesh.

 

[Dai3234]

I'm not surprised people will call you an apostate for wearing non churchy clothes in church so this being true is not surprising.

I'm not sure but i think Jesus Christ said, some believers will come but fall away by temptation.