The Law of Moses Has Not Been Abolished

[slave]

The condemnation of the law has been nailed to the cross for all who believe and the law is for the lawless.....NEXT!

Matthew 5:17-22English Standard Version (ESV)

Christ Came to Fulfill the Law

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Anger

21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother[a] will be liable to judgment; whoever insults[b] his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell[c] of fire.

 

[Grace777x70]

People often say to those that speak of the grace of God and that they are not under the law of Moses anymore that they believe they are without "laws" now. They are "lawless" and against the Law of Moses.

We do have laws in the New Covenant. They are exciting laws that bring life and wholeness to us all - because these are all Christ Himself in us.

Jesus fulfilled the law. The law was a mere shadow of the real thing which was Jesus.

Read the law to see Jesus in it and to know that Jesus did that for us and His life in us now leads us in all things. Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God.

We now live by:

1) The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. ( Romans 8:2 )

2) The law of love ( Romans 13:10 James 2:8 )

3) The law of faith ( Romans 3:27 and the law of Moses is NOT of faith - Gal. 3:12 )

4) The law of liberty ( James 1:25 )

5) The law of Christ - which is Christ Himself in us. ( Gal. 6:2 )

We can trust the Holy Spirit in us to lead us in all affairs of life. We don't go back to the law of Moses that were a shadow of the real thing which is Christ in us.. Jesus is more then enough.

Yes...we glory in the laws that we have in the New Covenant because they are all Christ Himself living in and through us. ( Gal.2:20 and Col. 3:3 )

Get this wrong and we create a religion which really nullifies the grace of God from operating in our lives like it was meant to.

Galatians 5:22-23 (NASB)

[SUP]22 [/SUP] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

[SUP]23 [/SUP] gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

 

[jaybird88]

how does a graze person follow Jesus when Jesus followed the law?

 

[sparkman]

This isn't so, how many times must I explain to you people that SHADOW law is not observed literally? Do you not understand that SHADOW law FORESHADOWS realities, and it is in fulfilling those realities that the shadow law is fulfilled? This is why Paul states, that it is of no avail to observe festivals, sabbaths, circumcisions, new moons, etc.... because these are all shadow commands. Whereas all other commands, that are not shadows, MUST still be obeyed. You guys completely disregard the entire law because of the shadow laws, and that is an error! I have a study on this here, Why the Law Is Not Abolished, Yet Circumcision, Festivals, Sacrifices, Sabbaths, Foods Are No Longer Observed | Wisdom of God

I don't agree with your view but am wondering...would you say that the Feast of Tabernacles still should be observed because it hasn't been fulfilled yet in terms of the Millennium? It doesn't sound like you would believe that, but just wondering.

I relate the Feast of Tabernacles primarily to the wandering in the wilderness. I am not convinced that the FOT relates to the Millennium.

I have seen explanations that give a meaning for Israel, a fulfillment in the NT, and a future fulfillment of some of them. I am not convinced that any group has all of those elements unquestionably nailed down.

For instance, it looks to me like the "Last Great Day" of John 7:37-39 was fulfilled at Pentecost. The cult I belonged to claimed it applied to some future salvation dispensation they called the Second Resurrection. Additionally, the holiday of Pentecost applied to the giving of the Law, as well as the receipt of the Holy Spirit. I don't see a coherent thread throughout all of these days. The cult leader I followed, Armstrong, defined them in a manner to suit his worldview, but there are problems with his views on them.

 

[sparkman]

how does a graze person follow Jesus when Jesus followed the law?

I'm not sure of your question exactly, but there are things Jesus did that I am not required to do, including physical circumcision and dying on the Cross for the sins of mankind.

Keep them scissors away from me.

 

[Grace777x70]

I love the truth of how Jesus lived. He was born under to the law, He ministered to those that were under the law so that He could redeem them from being under the law.

Galatians 4:4-5 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,

[SUP]5 [/SUP] so that He might redeem those who were under the Law,that we might receive the adoption as sons.

Christians - have nothing to do with the law of Moses now - other than to see Christ in them as He has fulfilled the law. We are now sons/daughters of God and live by His life that is in us now.

Jesus said that He lived by the Father inside of Him. He said that it is the Father inside Him who is doing His works - not Jesus. He could do nothing of His own initiative.

As Jesus lived by the life of the Father in Him - with total dependence on His life - so we too live by the life of Christ inside of us manifesting His life as a fruit of our union as one spirit with Christ. We too can do nothing without Christ.

We live now from the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus, the law of love, the law of liberty in Christ, the law of faith ( the law is NOT of faith ) , the law of Christ Himself.

These laws of Christ Himself will manifest His life in and through us and we will not need to "obey" an external law as in Lev. 18:23 to not have sex with animals. The life of Christ will keep us from doing that. We can trust Him inside of us who is our life.

We live by Christ Himself in an through us manifesting the fruit of His life that is in us.

 

[christig]

I don't agree with your view but am wondering...would you say that the Feast of Tabernacles still should be observed because it hasn't been fulfilled yet in terms of the Millennium? It doesn't sound like you would believe that, but just wondering.

I relate the Feast of Tabernacles primarily to the wandering in the wilderness. I am not convinced that the FOT relates to the Millennium.

I have seen explanations that give a meaning for Israel, a fulfillment in the NT, and a future fulfillment of some of them. I am not convinced that any group has all of those elements unquestionably nailed down.

For instance, it looks to me like the "Last Great Day" of John 7:37-39 was fulfilled at Pentecost. The cult I belonged to claimed it applied to some future salvation dispensation they called the Second Resurrection. Additionally, the holiday of Pentecost applied to the giving of the Law, as well as the receipt of the Holy Spirit. I don't see a coherent thread throughout all of these days. The cult leader I followed, Armstrong, defined them in a manner to suit his worldview, but there are problems with his views on them.

The Feast of Tabernacles will be fulfilled a few days later (15th day of the seventh month) after the elect are gathered on the Day of Atonement (10th day of the seventh month). In which case, the elect will begin to live in an encampment in Israel, which is the same encampment that the nations referred to as God and Magog will come against after the thousand years are finished. I have an explanation for the festivals in this study here Why the Law Is Not Abolished, Yet Circumcision, Festivals, Sacrifices, Sabbaths, Foods Are No Longer Observed | Wisdom of God and also an order of events related to the second coming here The Second Coming, the Trumpet Blasts, the Bowls of Wrath, and Inheriting the Earth | Wisdom of God .

 

[DustyRhodes]

Quote "You cannot be a Jew and a Christian"

I think you meant you cant practice Judaism and be a Christian. You can be a Jew and a Christian.

i'm not sure...if you practice judaism, are you not a Jew?

 

[Rondonmon]

That is because the Law is also a shadow, meaning commands related to festivals, sacrifices, circumcision, sabbaths, were all foreshadows of things found in Jesus Christ, and that is why those commands are no longer observed in the literal manner commanded, but rather, are fulfilled in the realities each foreshadowed. For example,

1. Passover lamb requirement = Jesus Christ as the reality of the passover lamb.
2. Festival of Unleavened Bread = reality to put away sin.
3. Festival of First Fruits = reality of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
4. Festival of Weeks (Pentecost) = reality of the giving forth of the holy spirit.
5. Festival of Trumpets = reality of the second coming of Jesus Christ with the sound of trumpets.
6. Day of Atonement = reality of the gathering of the elect from all over the world.
7. Festival of Booths = reality of the time the elect will begin to live in the encampment that will exist in Israel for them.
8. Seventh Day Sabbath = reality of the millennial kingdom of Jesus Christ that corresponds with the last thousand years of the full seven thousand years for this heaven and earth to exist.
9 Circumcision of the flesh = reality of the circumcision of the heart to discard your sinful nature (foreskin of the heart), and free you from sin.
10. Abstinence from foods = reality to not yoke together with unbelievers, for the behaviors of unclean animals symbolize the behaviors of ungodly men.

As such, as a messianic Jew, I understand that the law has not been abolished, and that commands such as, "do not kill", "do not steal", "love the Lord your God with all your heart", "a man should not wear women's clothes", are all still in force today. Your protestant churches are in error because you people discard the law that reveals everything that is sin. Whilst you may refrain from a few sins mentioned in the epistles of the apostles, you continue breaking various other laws mentioned in the Law, and as such, you have not come to the full obedience of Jesus Christ. You say you have been "set free", but you do not understand what this actually means. To be "set free" means to be set free from the sin nature that caused you to sin in the first place. If you are still breaking the law, which is what sin is, then you have not actually been set free as you claim you are.

Hello brother, I see the the shadow of Leviticus 23 a little different. I will also explain why the LAW has no place in our lives at the end, its rather simple.

Three Spring Feasts
1. Feast of Passover (Christ Blood on the Cross is our Salvation)
2. Feast of Unleavened Bread (Jesus was without Sin)
3. Feast of First-fruits (Jesus is raised from the dead as the First-fruits)

4. Feast of Pentecost (All alone on the Calendar, this signifies the Church Age or a 2000 or so years of the Church Harvesting Souls as the Sowers Body. When the Last Trump sounds this Church Age ends, the Church is Raptured.)

Three Fall Feasts
5. Feast of Trumpets (This never did a lot, but it announced Pentecost was over and Atonement/Tabernacle were nigh.
6. Feast of Atonement (When the Church is Raptured, the 70th Week begins, and Israel ATONES as a nation for their sins.)
7. Feast of Tabernacle (Israel Dwells with God or Tabernacles with God)

8. 1000 Year Reign of Christ. The Church is in Heaven and the Beheaded & Israel dwell with God for 1000 year reign.

As per the LAW........It is revealed in scripture that it is no more.

Galatians 3:17 [FONT=&quot]And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]cannot disannul (THE PROMISE OF THE SEED Jesus),[/FONT][FONT=&quot] that it should make the promise of none effect. [/FONT]18 [FONT=&quot]For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. [/FONT]19 [FONT=&quot]Wherefore then serveth the law? [/FONT][FONT=&quot]It was added because of transgressions,[/FONT][FONT=&quot] till [/FONT][FONT=&quot]the seed should come to whom the promise was made (JESUS);[/FONT][FONT=&quot] and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]TILL............[/FONT][FONT=&quot]The law was added 430 years after the PROMISE............But only[/FONT][FONT=&quot] UNTIL Jesus could come as THE PROMISED SEED[/FONT][FONT=&quot] who would take away the Sins of all man-kind.

The Law is now written in our Hearts by the Holy Spirit, it tells us what's right and wrong IF WE LISTEN !!


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[jaybird88]

I'm not sure of your question exactly, but there are things Jesus did that I am not required to do, including physical circumcision and dying on the Cross for the sins of mankind.

Keep them scissors away from me.

i was told to live my life by the example of Jesus. did Jesus obey and follow the laws of His Father. if Jesus did it then i would want to emulate that in my own walk.

 

[kaylagrl]

i'm not sure...if you practice judaism, are you not a Jew?

Not always. I had a friend years ago that practiced Judaism and he wasn't a Jew.

 

[Yahshua]

i'm not sure...if you practice judaism, are you not a Jew?

At some point in history certain folks blended the two concepts [the religion of phariseeism with the heritage] so they'd could claim the identity...

That's all I'll say on the matter.

 

[christig]

Hello brother, I see the the shadow of Leviticus 23 a little different. I will also explain why the LAW has no place in our lives at the end, its rather simple.

Three Spring Feasts
1. Feast of Passover (Christ Blood on the Cross is our Salvation)
2. Feast of Unleavened Bread (Jesus was without Sin)
3. Feast of First-fruits (Jesus is raised from the dead as the First-fruits)

4. Feast of Pentecost (All alone on the Calendar, this signifies the Church Age or a 2000 or so years of the Church Harvesting Souls as the Sowers Body. When the Last Trump sounds this Church Age ends, the Church is Raptured.)

Three Fall Feasts
5. Feast of Trumpets (This never did a lot, but it announced Pentecost was over and Atonement/Tabernacle were nigh.
6. Feast of Atonement (When the Church is Raptured, the 70th Week begins, and Israel ATONES as a nation for their sins.)
7. Feast of Tabernacle (Israel Dwells with God or Tabernacles with God)

8. 1000 Year Reign of Christ. The Church is in Heaven and the Beheaded & Israel dwell with God for 1000 year reign.

As per the LAW........It is revealed in scripture that it is no more.

Galatians 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul (THE PROMISE OF THE SEED Jesus), that it should make the promise of none effect. 18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. 19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made (JESUS); and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

TILL............The law was added 430 years after the PROMISE............But only UNTIL Jesus could come as THE PROMISED SEED who would take away the Sins of all man-kind.

The Law is now written in our Hearts by the Holy Spirit, it tells us what's right and wrong IF WE LISTEN !!

You are mistaken. The spring festivals correspond with the first coming of Jesus Christ, whereas the autumn festivals correspond with his SECOND COMING. Did it not occur to you that there is a correlation between Jesus Christ coming with the sound of trumpet in correlation with the Festival of Trumpets, which then coincide with the seven trumpets of Revelation? And 10 days after the first trumpet is sounded, then is the Day of Atonement when the elect are gathered. As such, these festivals are NOT yet fulfilled, so therefore, the Law is not yet fulfilled. Hence why Jesus Christ said, UNTIL heaven and earth passes away, not one jot or one tittle will fall from the law, UNTIL EVERYTHING IS ACCOMPLISHED.

 

[limey410]

The Law is not yet fulfilled, for the autumn festivals (Festival of Trumpets, Day of Atonement, Festival of Booths), which are all related to the second coming of Jesus Christ, have not yet been fulfilled, but the Law did indeed begin to be fulfilled at the first coming of Jesus Christ, for the spring festivals correspond to his first coming (Passover, First Fruits, Pentecost, Feast of Unleavened Bread). Even the Sabbath, which foreshadows the last thousand years of this heaven and earth (6000 years + 1000 years of rest for the entire earth), has also not been fulfilled. This is why, UNTIL heaven and earth pass away, the Law will not pass away. As such, the Law is quite still in full force today. You guys don't like the Law, so you find reasonings to try the ignore it, when it is in fact this very Law that reveals everything that is sin. If you think the Law is abolished, then you cannot possibly live a life that is obedient to God, nor could you possibly actually even fully repent for that matter, for the Law reveals the righteous requirements of God. I have two studies on this The Law of Moses Has Not Been Abolished | Wisdom of God and Why the Law Is Not Abolished, Yet Circumcision, Festivals, Sacrifices, Sabbaths, Foods Are No Longer Observed | Wisdom of God .

Uh oh, there's a "you guys don't like the Law" in there. Well you guys don't like the grace and mercy of God, so there

 

[limey410]

You are mistaken. The spring festivals correspond with the first coming of Jesus Christ, whereas the autumn festivals correspond with his SECOND COMING. Did it not occur to you that there is a correlation between Jesus Christ coming with the sound of trumpet in correlation with the Festival of Trumpets, which then coincide with the seven trumpets of Revelation? And 10 days after the first trumpet is sounded, then is the Day of Atonement when the elect are gathered. As such, these festivals are NOT yet fulfilled, so therefore, the Law is not yet fulfilled. Hence why Jesus Christ said, UNTIL heaven and earth passes away, not one jot or one tittle will fall from the law, UNTIL EVERYTHING IS ACCOMPLISHED.

Ughh..i was just thinking I could rely on Jesus already, now I gotta wait til the second coming. I better get back to bondage again, here I was silly me thinking He did all that to free me. My mistake!

 

[christig]

Uh oh, there's a "you guys don't like the Law" in there. Well you guys don't like the grace and mercy of God, so there

We love grace and mercy, because according to this Law we all deserve to be stoned to death, hence why it was said, "we all deserve death", but because of the mercy of God, we are still alive. Yet you guys think that the mercy of God is a leniency to disobey the Law, when in fact it is quite the contrary, it is an opportunity to stop breaking the Law that you may come to obey it, through sanctification of the holy spirit that comes by belief in Jesus Christ. But rest assured, if you do not stop breaking this Law, because you think it is abolished, you are very far from attaining the baptism of the holy spirit that is necessary for you to become delivered and enter into the kingdom of God.

 

[Locutus]

All the law and the prophets were fulfilled by 70 AD with the vengeance on the whore of revelation and the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem:

Luk 21:22 because these are days of vengeance, to fulfil all things that have been written.

ALL things were being fulfilled in the apostles days:

Act 3:24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

"these days" do not last for centuries.

 

[christig]

All the law and the prophets were fulfilled by 70 AD with the vengeance on the whore of revelation and the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem:

Luk 21:22 because these are days of vengeance, to fulfil all things that have been written.

ALL things were being fulfilled in the apostles days:

Act 3:24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

"these days" do not last for centuries.

Tell me, the prophets spoke of a new heaven and new earth. According to you, has this been fulfilled, since you said, "...the prophets were fulfilled by 70 AD"?

 

[limey410]

We love grace and mercy, because according to this Law we all deserve to be stoned to death, hence why it was said, "we all deserve death", but because of the mercy of God, we are still alive. Yet you guys think that the mercy of God is a leniency to disobey the Law, when in fact it is quite the contrary, it is an opportunity to stop breaking the Law that you may come to obey it, through sanctification of the holy spirit that comes by belief in Jesus Christ. But rest assured, if you do not stop breaking this Law, because you think it is abolished, you are very far from attaining the baptism of the holy spirit that is necessary for you to become delivered and enter into the kingdom of God.

If you wish to live under the old covenant, you are free to do so.

As I am free to live under the new covenant.

Jeremiah 31: 31-32 is quite clear about the differences between the two. And the new covenant will NOT be according to the old.
And if you will agree that the 1st covenant is the law of Moses, of which Jeremiah speaks, then you will also agree that the 2nd covenant is not.
If the 2nd or new covenant, is not the law of Moses, then it must be something different.

 

[Locutus]

Tell me, the prophets spoke of a new heaven and new earth. According to you, has this been fulfilled, since you said, "...the prophets were fulfilled by 70 AD"?

I didn't say - Jesus did.

Luk 21:22 because these are days of vengeance, to fulfil all things that have been written.

The problem is you don't understand what the old heavens and earth represented.