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I hear that women leaders are the exception, & not the rule.

If you count "exceptional" men preachers nowadays, I believe you won't get past one hand.

So is now the time, or does it have to get much worse?

In my area, preachers will start their sermons with a couple of scriptures, & the rest is story time & jokes.

Sounds to me like we're needing some exceptions.
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Ariel82

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#82
Our church has an equal ratio of men and women...
 
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kaylagrl

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#83
Maybe its time to make the church suitable for men again...?

Instead of throwing in the stats and making the church even more "for females" because of it... it will not solve the problem "where are men".

Just my opinion.


Quote "Maybe its time to make the church suitable for men again...?"

As in how??? How is church unsuitable for men?


Quote "Instead of throwing in the stats and making the church even more "for females" because of it."

The stats are facts,has nothing to do with making anything more suitable for women. Im sure woman would rather their husbands attend with them,but they arent. And so with no one but women to do the work what do you expect?!
 
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CeileDe

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#86
I hear that women leaders are the exception, & not the rule.

If you count "exceptional" men preachers nowadays, I believe you won't get past one hand.

So is now the time, or does it have to get much worse?

In my area, preachers will start their sermons with a couple of scriptures, & the rest is story time & jokes.

Sounds to me like we're needing some exceptions.
;)
I prefer a preacher who doesn't sit still and read from a sheet of paper. I had a fire and brimstone type of pastor in Louisiana and man could he keep my attention. I think that is the standard I have for pastors these days and I have a hard time finding anyone like that.
 
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Ariel82

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#87
I hear that women leaders are the exception, & not the rule.

If you count "exceptional" men preachers nowadays, I believe you won't get past one hand.

So is now the time, or does it have to get much worse?

In my area, preachers will start their sermons with a couple of scriptures, & the rest is story time & jokes.

Sounds to me like we're needing some exceptions.
;)
Sermons are often like that. I prefer Bible studies because it has much more scriptures. In the morning sermons about the gospel message to the masses and in the evening in depth verse for verse Bible study.

Each church is different though.

Important part is that people are encouraged to read scripture daily and pray unceasingly.
 
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kaylagrl

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#88
Our church has an equal ratio of men and women...
Well you're far from the norm according to stats. And in my twenty years of travel thats what I saw,women attending church alone.
 

trofimus

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Quote "Maybe its time to make the church suitable for men again...?"

As in how??? How is church unsuitable for men?


Quote "Instead of throwing in the stats and making the church even more "for females" because of it."

The stats are facts,has nothing to do with making anything more suitable for women. Im sure woman would rather their husbands attend with them,but they arent. And so with no one but women to do the work what do you expect?!
I do not know, I did not think about it so much as you probably did.

And I am not from the USA, in my country it seems to be more equal in numbers.
We have a different problem - most of the church members are very old and there are very few young people. So many churches are "dying out" over time.

If I had a solution, I would tell you immediately :)

I am just saying that the problem "were are men" should be solved, not just accepted and making the church "from women for women" because of it, if you understand me.
 
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Ariel82

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Well you're far from the norm according to stats. And in my twenty years of travel thats what I saw,women attending church alone.
I did attend church with just the kids for a while but then God spoke to my husband and he has been getting really involved the last few years.

I know it's God because I didn't nag him or anything.

Prayer is a powerful thing. Its changes our hearts and minds and shows us a world as God intends for it to be and not what the world claims it should be.
 
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Ariel82

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I do not know, I did not think about it so much as you probably did. And I am not from the USA, in my country it seems to be more equal in numbers. We have a different problem - most of the church members are very old and there are very few young people. So many churches are "dying out" over time.

If I had the solution, I would tell you immediately :)
Yeah it's the curse of material prosperity. The young don't think of God and believe their blessings are by the work of their own hands.

The solution is God and exhortation about the evils of making money an idol. The solution is for preachers to show the world it's sins and how God is the solution. How people of God can change the world around them with their love and faithfulness,
 
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kaylagrl

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#93
I hear that women leaders are the exception, & not the rule.

If you count "exceptional" men preachers nowadays, I believe you won't get past one hand.

So is now the time, or does it have to get much worse?

In my area, preachers will start their sermons with a couple of scriptures, & the rest is story time & jokes.

Sounds to me like we're needing some exceptions.
;)
Im not one to church hop but the last pastor I had,well,we just had to leave. We would go to church and have a 45 min. or more worship service and a 20min. message. I love music but that was ridiculous. I can sing at home! The church also allowed him to spend 10,000 on a light up sign for the church.We had left by that time. Not long after they put up the sign it was struck by lightening. Think it was a message?
 
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Ariel82

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Sounds like the "cheese Jesus" it got struck by lightning also.
 

preacher4truth

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#95
I hear that women leaders are the exception, & not the rule.

If you count "exceptional" men preachers nowadays, I believe you won't get past one hand.

So is now the time, or does it have to get much worse?

In my area, preachers will start their sermons with a couple of scriptures, & the rest is story time & jokes.

Sounds to me like we're needing some exceptions.
;)
Around here it is called "Take a Text then a Tantrum!". And they're proud of it.
 

DustyRhodes

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The word says we should not add or subtract. What the scriptures states, so it shall be. Full stop.
that is what is meant when jesus says love fulfils the law...nothing need to be added or subracted
 

Desertsrose

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#97

Ive been in hundreds of churches and denominations and I can tell you thats not the case in many, many churches in Canada and the US. And the few men I did see attending were older men.

Okay so is the first answer to go out and seek women and open the pastorship to women?

Yes but the problem with that is it doesn't minister to the youth and the little ones.Church is, or should be where the family is fed. Home meetings are fine but not the same as church and reaching the lost. Though it seems churches are very ineffective at even that now days.I do not believe God would have us close church doors because many men are not being faithful to church.

How would it not minister to youth and young ones? The early church met in homes. Are you saying they were ineffective?

I have actually been in a home church. It did quite well in meeting the needs of the young. In some ways it does it better because it doesn’t have to deal with committees, voting, etc.

All across Europe, churches are closing down and businesses are purchasing the buildings. Actually Muslims are purchasing some of them as well.

But the point is, we are the church, the building is not the church. If buildings are lost due to the lack of attendance, homes serve perfectly to gather to worship our Lord.

And the Lord did say that they way was narrow and few would find the pate to eternal life because wide is the way that leads to destruction.

If we really want to be true to scripture, we don’t come up with our own ideas such as female pastors. We pray and ask God how we can be loyal to His word and His will.

And such is the case now days.If God can use a donkey to preach,surely he can use a woman.

He can if He has to, but does He want to? Have we done everything we can to insure that we are abiding by God’s word. Are we even praying that God will raise up Godly men instead of women?

Or are we happy that the opportunity has arisen for women to rise up and take their place in the pulpit?

Or are we defaulting to our own ideas even though it is in opposition to His word. Are we even asking Him or are we adding what we want to the word of God.

I have female pastors in my family and I dont have an issue with it. Ive posted before on why I feel this way. But irregardless of that when we look at the stats women are running the church because men are not attending. To say "well they can run everything but not be in the pulpit" is ridiculous to me. JMO

So you don’t see in the word of God that He chose men for the pastorship/leadership? I realize that there are denominations that teach differently. That just means to me that all denominations are not following all of the word of God, the full counsel of God.

I guess it just seems pretty clear that the very 1st qualification is men. And when Paul wrote to Timothy, he told him to entrust what he has learned from him to faithful men. So it’s a continuation of men in the leadership role. I realize we don’t agree, but I just can’t see it any differently. There is no passage in scripture that shows a women is qualified or even chosen to lead a congregation.
 
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Im not one to church hop but the last pastor I had,well,we just had to leave. We would go to church and have a 45 min. or more worship service and a 20min. message. I love music but that was ridiculous. I can sing at home! The church also allowed him to spend 10,000 on a light up sign for the church.We had left by that time. Not long after they put up the sign it was struck by lightening. Think it was a message?
My church is the same. My wife & I have looked all over, with no results.

We checked out one recently called The Point Community church. It's website looked nice, & they had a list of sermons to listen to. The pastor was young, & his sermons sounded rehearsed. I looked up another one with that name in the next city, only to find out they BOTH had the same sermons listed!

There's definitely a famine in this land for hearing the words of the Lord. Sure, we hear the sermonette with a few scriptures, but God didn't send it.

You can't have a "Heaven sent" service without a "Heaven sent" message from God.
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notuptome

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#99
true but they have to deal with us proud imperfect men also.
No doubt my wife will receive a double reward for dealing with me. Only God can make a woman love a man with all the faults we have.

If men would be men in the pulpits then men would be in the pews. I would not nor do I think I could sit in the pew and listen to some pansy bloviate about loving my neighbor.

Fifty years of apostasy has taken a toll on the church.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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kaylagrl

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Ive been in hundreds of churches and denominations and I can tell you thats not the case in many, many churches in Canada and the US. And the few men I did see attending were older men.

Okay so is the first answer to go out and seek women and open the pastorship to women?

Yes but the problem with that is it doesn't minister to the youth and the little ones.Church is, or should be where the family is fed. Home meetings are fine but not the same as church and reaching the lost. Though it seems churches are very ineffective at even that now days.I do not believe God would have us close church doors because many men are not being faithful to church.

How would it not minister to youth and young ones? The early church met in homes. Are you saying they were ineffective?

I have actually been in a home church. It did quite well in meeting the needs of the young. In some ways it does it better because it doesn’t have to deal with committees, voting, etc.

All across Europe, churches are closing down and businesses are purchasing the buildings. Actually Muslims are purchasing some of them as well.

But the point is, we are the church, the building is not the church. If buildings are lost due to the lack of attendance, homes serve perfectly to gather to worship our Lord.

And the Lord did say that they way was narrow and few would find the pate to eternal life because wide is the way that leads to destruction.

If we really want to be true to scripture, we don’t come up with our own ideas such as female pastors. We pray and ask God how we can be loyal to His word and His will.

And such is the case now days.If God can use a donkey to preach,surely he can use a woman.

He can if He has to, but does He want to? Have we done everything we can to insure that we are abiding by God’s word. Are we even praying that God will raise up Godly men instead of women?

Or are we happy that the opportunity has arisen for women to rise up and take their place in the pulpit?

Or are we defaulting to our own ideas even though it is in opposition to His word. Are we even asking Him or are we adding what we want to the word of God.

I have female pastors in my family and I dont have an issue with it. Ive posted before on why I feel this way. But irregardless of that when we look at the stats women are running the church because men are not attending. To say "well they can run everything but not be in the pulpit" is ridiculous to me. JMO

So you don’t see in the word of God that He chose men for the pastorship/leadership? I realize that there are denominations that teach differently. That just means to me that all denominations are not following all of the word of God, the full counsel of God.

I guess it just seems pretty clear that the very 1st qualification is men. And when Paul wrote to Timothy, he told him to entrust what he has learned from him to faithful men. So it’s a continuation of men in the leadership role. I realize we don’t agree, but I just can’t see it any differently. There is no passage in scripture that shows a women is qualified or even chosen to lead a congregation.



Quote "Okay so is the first answer to go out and seek women and open the pastorship to women?"

Im not sure what the answer is and I didn't really say the answer was to make all pastors women.What I did say is men are not attending church and if the only pastor you can see in the pulpit is a man then what are these churches to do? Should they close the doors because no man is there to be the pastor? It seems hypocritical to say women should be left to do all the work in the church but they cannot be in the pulpit. Whether you agree with females pastors or not,men are not going to church and you dont get the right to sit back and criticize females in the church when men are the problem. {not you specifically}


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How would it not minister to youth and young ones? The early church met in homes. Are you saying they were ineffective?

Many home churches I have seen have gotten into error much more serious than a woman preaching. And when there are churches available why should we be having home meetings? It depends on who is teaching but Ive seen a lot of failures in home churches.


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He can if He has to, but does He want to? Have we done everything we can to insure that we are abiding by God’s word. Are we even praying that God will raise up Godly men instead of women?'

I personally believe God uses either. God doesn't have to raise up Godly men,they are there,they claim to believe God,they just aren't stepping up. And if women are willing I believe God will use them.


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So you don’t see in the word of God that He chose men for the pastorship/leadership?"

I believe God can and does use both. The women in my family are Godly servants and are willing to work in the fields to bring in the harvest.Now they are pastors with their husbands but I do not see why a woman cannot pastor especially since the men are not doing their part.We do see it differently,but Im a lot more concerned that people are being reached than which sex is reaching them.