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I would offer that they exist, if any person is declaring the word of God, prophecy, as the witness of God that He has spoken or what we call witnessing .He sends them out two by two. If a person beleives they are sent, it is what they are sent with.... the word of God This make them a prophet.They prophesicy by decalring his word as sent one (apostles)
K
The term prophet is thrown around too easily by Charismatics today. You have to be very careful what you mean when you call someone a prophet. People claim that status,but they do not want to suffer the punishment if they are wrong,which in the OT was stoning. Im very wary when people use the term prophet today.
I totally agree!
A real prophet today will do nothing more than preach and teach the word of God. Teach people how to hear the voice of God for themselves and teach people how to be led by the Holy Spirit.
They will usually operate in the 1 Cor 12 vocal and revelation gifts. Some may operate in the 1 Cor 12 power gifts. The Romans 12 motive gift of Prophecy and Exhortation. They understand what it means to be under a pastors authority and are diligent prayer warriors. You would be hard pressed to notice a true Prophet today.
Simply giving people words of edification, exhortation and comfort is not someone in the 5 fold gift of the Prophet.
When they preach they generally go without any notes, since they have a strong command of the word of God. If no gifts manifest, their preaching and teaching convict, correct, comfort, exhort and encourage you to be right with God.
Their "salt" make you thirsty for the things of God and hearing the Holy Spirit.
A real prophet today will do nothing more than preach and teach the word of God. Teach people how to hear the voice of God for themselves and teach people how to be led by the Holy Spirit.
They will usually operate in the 1 Cor 12 vocal and revelation gifts. Some may operate in the 1 Cor 12 power gifts. The Romans 12 motive gift of Prophecy and Exhortation. They understand what it means to be under a pastors authority and are diligent prayer warriors. You would be hard pressed to notice a true Prophet today.
Simply giving people words of edification, exhortation and comfort is not someone in the 5 fold gift of the Prophet.
When they preach they generally go without any notes, since they have a strong command of the word of God. If no gifts manifest, their preaching and teaching convict, correct, comfort, exhort and encourage you to be right with God.
Their "salt" make you thirsty for the things of God and hearing the Holy Spirit.
Most of us on the reformed side won't agree entirely. We believe our theology and doctrines were first espoused by Jesus and the Apostles and, well, the entire bible itself. Reformed theology is all about the bible and what does the bible say, not what someone else says. The labels are unfortunate, but as I see it are just ways of categorizing certain belief systems. Like has been said before, a reformed person can be called a Calvinist and never have even read any of his work. All they know is what the bible has said and if Calvinists believe that, then sure, they are a Calvinist.
Maybe, but at the same time, if it wasn't for men likes these battling for the truth, the RCC would probably still be in complete control of Christianity. That'd be a bad thing. So while someone can be a Calvinist and never had read Calvin, he deserves some level of respect for fighting for the bible and the truths therein. While the reformers weren't perfect people, the same can be said for anyone. But what they did was important for Christianity.
K
But Calvin went after those who disagreed with him with fierceness. As I said with his comments on the Jews and a few of his comments I quoted in my above post,Calvin didn't seem very far from the RCC in the way he dealt with those who disagreed with him and advocated for Servetus' punishment by death. Not being perfect is one thing,but reading his quotes,they are a long,long way from a Christlike spirit.
Hi Ky
Kaylagrl,
Again, we do not follow Calvin the man. Yes he had his faults...don't we all!!
Lets put things in perspective regrding Servetus. Servetus had already been condemned to death, from memory I think in france. Now what does that mean?
Lets take a look at the USA, you guys have the death penalty for people who break certain laws and in fact very many Christians in the US agree with this would method of punishment for certain crimes (I not arguing wether this is right or wrong). So if you break those certain laws you know you will face the death penalty.
Now take yourself back into history, into Europe. Among many crimes, blasphemey was punishable by death, right or wrong that was the law in almost all Euroean countries at the time. And many Christians agreed with it.
It is with this in mind that nee to look at the Servetus issue, not reading our modern thought back into History (doing so is erroneous). Servetus had already been condemned under the Law of the land for his blasphemey, he escaped and got caught again, in fact I did not hear you mention that Calvin pleaded for mercry for a quick death for Servetus. (Remember Servetus had already been awaitning exectution in another country for his breaking of that countries laws).
That is how Calvin can say.. Servetus suffered the penalty due of his heresies . (your quote) He had broke the law. Europeans at that time did not know anything different regarding blasphemey, that was the law.
Again, Reformed do not follow Calvin te man, we follow the God-man, Jesus!
Kaylagrl,
Again, we do not follow Calvin the man. Yes he had his faults...don't we all!!
Lets put things in perspective regrding Servetus. Servetus had already been condemned to death, from memory I think in france. Now what does that mean?
Lets take a look at the USA, you guys have the death penalty for people who break certain laws and in fact very many Christians in the US agree with this would method of punishment for certain crimes (I not arguing wether this is right or wrong). So if you break those certain laws you know you will face the death penalty.
Now take yourself back into history, into Europe. Among many crimes, blasphemey was punishable by death, right or wrong that was the law in almost all Euroean countries at the time. And many Christians agreed with it.
It is with this in mind that nee to look at the Servetus issue, not reading our modern thought back into History (doing so is erroneous). Servetus had already been condemned under the Law of the land for his blasphemey, he escaped and got caught again, in fact I did not hear you mention that Calvin pleaded for mercry for a quick death for Servetus. (Remember Servetus had already been awaitning exectution in another country for his breaking of that countries laws).
That is how Calvin can say.. Servetus suffered the penalty due of his heresies . (your quote) He had broke the law. Europeans at that time did not know anything different regarding blasphemey, that was the law.
Again, Reformed do not follow Calvin te man, we follow the God-man, Jesus!
Some people need to be gone after with fierceness. There is biblical precedent for doing so. As far as Calvin and some of what he did? I dunno. I have only read portions of his work in the past and never heard anything about him and the Jews until this thread. Jesus went after people with fierceness though. He even used such words as "den of vipers", "whitewashed tombs", "children of Satan", "foolish people full of greed and wickedness", and lashed out in righteous anger when he overthrew the tables in the temple.
Would you agree that the men overthrowing churches during the Toronto blessing should have been gone after fiercely? I ask because I know you witnessed how devastating it is first hand.
Would you agree that the men overthrowing churches during the Toronto blessing should have been gone after fiercely? I ask because I know you witnessed how devastating it is first hand.
K
I understand Reformed do not follow Calvin the man,but his influence is there none the less,no? Servetus was put to death for disagreeing with the Trinity and infant baptism. Calvin did ask that he be beheaded,small mercy,ask those who have come against Islam. I hardly call Calvins attitude mercy when he himself thought that Severtus should be put to death for his beliefs. The Puritans fell into the same mold and look what happened there.People who were completely innocent were put to death.
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[FONT="]51 As the time approached for him to be taken up to heaven, Jesus resolutely set out for Jerusalem.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]52 And he sent messengers on ahead, who went into a Samaritan village to get things ready for him;[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]53 but the people there did not welcome him, because he was heading for Jerusalem.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]54 When the disciples James and John saw this, they asked, “Lord, do you want us to call fire down from heaven to destroy them[b]?”[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]55 But Jesus turned and rebuked them.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]56 Then he and his disciples went to another village.[/FONT]