God is In Control?
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That is pretty incoherent stuff...
According to this quote from the Bible:
“There is no God.”
So by your standards, so eloquently stated (not!) it is entirely correct to say that the Bible teaches atheism - yes, no?
That quote is from Ps 14:1.
However we know that that is not the whole story because that sentence has a context, and it needs to be INTERPRETED, in that context:
The fool has said in his heart,
“There is no God.” Ps 14:1
Suddenly the whole meaning changes!
This is a very simple. but wholly valid, example of what I was referring to.
You are cherry picking the occasional verse here and there and trying to construct a Federal case out of them.
When Scripture has been presented that contradicts your position you have dismissed it instead of saying to yourself "Maybe I should reconsider my position in order to take ALL the evidence into account."
This is the INTERPRETATION that is required.
Selah!
According to this quote from the Bible:
“There is no God.”
So by your standards, so eloquently stated (not!) it is entirely correct to say that the Bible teaches atheism - yes, no?
That quote is from Ps 14:1.
However we know that that is not the whole story because that sentence has a context, and it needs to be INTERPRETED, in that context:
The fool has said in his heart,
“There is no God.” Ps 14:1
Suddenly the whole meaning changes!
This is a very simple. but wholly valid, example of what I was referring to.
You are cherry picking the occasional verse here and there and trying to construct a Federal case out of them.
When Scripture has been presented that contradicts your position you have dismissed it instead of saying to yourself "Maybe I should reconsider my position in order to take ALL the evidence into account."
This is the INTERPRETATION that is required.
Selah!
Woman..What are you babbling about? The verse Ps:14:1 can stand alone...Fools say in their hearts,
“There is no God.”
They deal corruptly, their deeds are vile,
not one does what is right.
It speaks plainly. It speaks clearly. No need of interpreting...The verse says just what God meant.."Only a fool would say in his heart,(or with his mouth),there is no God. That is as clear as it can be.
It does not say, in any way, that there is no God...What are you smoking anyway? Your brand of capricious and linear logic is really tedious. I think I'll unsubscribe to from this thread..You and your biddies are just too carnivorous. and far too linear in your thinking...I think you are all totally incapable of learning anything but you own fairy tales.
“There is no God.”
They deal corruptly, their deeds are vile,
not one does what is right.
It speaks plainly. It speaks clearly. No need of interpreting...The verse says just what God meant.."Only a fool would say in his heart,(or with his mouth),there is no God. That is as clear as it can be.
It does not say, in any way, that there is no God...What are you smoking anyway? Your brand of capricious and linear logic is really tedious. I think I'll unsubscribe to from this thread..You and your biddies are just too carnivorous. and far too linear in your thinking...I think you are all totally incapable of learning anything but you own fairy tales.
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No, you're not on trial.......and not my intention. I was going to look up whatever article, commentary, book whatever you might be reading so I could see where you're coming from. I've not heard this view before. What is CJB? Haven't heard of it either.
By the way, graceNpeace is male. Pink is for girls and blue is for boys.
ETA, Never mind of the CJB. I found it and don't like it.
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No, you're not on trial.......and not my intention. I was going to look up whatever article, commentary, book whatever you might be reading so I could see where you're coming from. I've not heard this view before. What is CJB? Haven't heard of it either.
By the way, graceNpeace is male. Pink is for girls and blue is for boys.
So....Are you tied in with this Angela woman in this discussion? Or this Gtacenpeace? You and they say I'm not on trial but, at least, Angela keeps making stupid comments and accusations.. Truly they have me steaming. I wonder if one can unsubscribe from their own thread.
OK As far as looking up my source, you would have to study for months on the subject of Angels, Nephilim, The history of the war in the heavenly realm, genetic experimentation by Satan and his cohorts, as well as the same G.E. today Its related. Giants, hybrids, Chimera. Time travelers of the bible, and on and on...Then you think about all you've learned then you will see how it all locks together. Then you see where I'm coming from...This world is vastly more complicated than the average Christian understand...Christians in general have no idea, no interest at all in what is happening in the world, save where it directly affects them.
OK, first things first: I have nothing against women but I am a man - AND I HAVE POINTED THIS OUT ALREADY!
Secondly, whatever you say, it does require interpretation to understand what is written.
Inadvertently, you completely vindicated my point!
You say you are a writer (did I misinterpret that too?).
You know well enough that in order to interpret what a sentence is saying you have to look at the grammar, vocabulary used, word order etc in order to figure out what that sentence is saying.
Furthermore, the meaning of that sentence will be dependent on the sentence before and the sentence following.
In fact it depends on the the rest of the paragraph in which it is located and likely the chapter in which it is located.
Otherwise everything is just reduced to word salad, right!
If you are a writer this is not hard to comprehend.
So, for someone to cherry pick a single sentence out of your work and proclaim a meaning for it that completely contradicts the context in which it was written would be wrong.
It would be even worse if the only justification that individual could muster was that it was a valid quote.
And it would be worse still if that individual went around telling third parties his incorrect interpretation of that sentence was what you meant.
Think about it.
Secondly, whatever you say, it does require interpretation to understand what is written.
Inadvertently, you completely vindicated my point!
You say you are a writer (did I misinterpret that too?).
You know well enough that in order to interpret what a sentence is saying you have to look at the grammar, vocabulary used, word order etc in order to figure out what that sentence is saying.
Furthermore, the meaning of that sentence will be dependent on the sentence before and the sentence following.
In fact it depends on the the rest of the paragraph in which it is located and likely the chapter in which it is located.
Otherwise everything is just reduced to word salad, right!
If you are a writer this is not hard to comprehend.
So, for someone to cherry pick a single sentence out of your work and proclaim a meaning for it that completely contradicts the context in which it was written would be wrong.
It would be even worse if the only justification that individual could muster was that it was a valid quote.
And it would be worse still if that individual went around telling third parties his incorrect interpretation of that sentence was what you meant.
Think about it.
I understand what you're saying...I'm not stopping you...What I'm saying is Take it as its written, of course in context...To me that is not interpretation...Its simply 'listening'. What did you say? One sentence or an entire page? One need to take it as a whole...But again...That's not interpreting. OK Lets look "to construe or understand in a particular way: " If that's what you're doing...The dictionary says that's interpretation. I'll accept that..Still though...A Christian needs to take what the Word says before he takes what his church doctrines say.
Sorry I thought you were a woman.
Sorry I thought you were a woman.
So when you take a single verse or even three verses and claim a meaning that is flatly contradicted by large portions of Scripture - what then?
You come out of a group that is big on proof-texts.
You are encouraged to memorise certain texts as meaning certain things (sometimes the choices are good summaries and sometimes not...)
Looking at an entire book out of a Bible or even a chapter to get its meaning is not something that is big in Pentecostal circles, never mind even a few consecutive verses.
For some anyway, the Bible is just a big bag of disconnected proof-texts that has degenerated into the word salad I was referring to.
I know, I have spent twenty-seven years around the Pentecostal, Charismatic, and Word of Faith community - and I have met relatively few exceptions to this sad characterisation.
If you think the dominion on earth is in the hands of men as you are alleging why don't you sit down and come up with a formal defence of your position. It will take a really good study of the entire Word of God. You will need to account for all the Scripture that apparently contradicts your position. Every Scripture you quote will need to be explained and put in its context.
This will be a tough challenge, and probably take you many months, but the exercise will be worth it.
If you post that for perusal with a polite request for an honest critique you will probably get an honest and polite response.
You come out of a group that is big on proof-texts.
You are encouraged to memorise certain texts as meaning certain things (sometimes the choices are good summaries and sometimes not...)
Looking at an entire book out of a Bible or even a chapter to get its meaning is not something that is big in Pentecostal circles, never mind even a few consecutive verses.
For some anyway, the Bible is just a big bag of disconnected proof-texts that has degenerated into the word salad I was referring to.
I know, I have spent twenty-seven years around the Pentecostal, Charismatic, and Word of Faith community - and I have met relatively few exceptions to this sad characterisation.
If you think the dominion on earth is in the hands of men as you are alleging why don't you sit down and come up with a formal defence of your position. It will take a really good study of the entire Word of God. You will need to account for all the Scripture that apparently contradicts your position. Every Scripture you quote will need to be explained and put in its context.
This will be a tough challenge, and probably take you many months, but the exercise will be worth it.
If you post that for perusal with a polite request for an honest critique you will probably get an honest and polite response.
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