Why is Jesus God?
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"Nope. We cannot create an additional God by God having offspring." <<< this is so unbiblical its actually a foundational belief of islam " certainly God has no Son" thats inscribed on the ceiling of the dome of the rock sitting where Gods temple once stood in jerusalem on all four sides.
Mark 16:19 "So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God."
john 20:17 "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto MY FATHER , and your Father; and to MY GOD, and your God." does God have a God and father? does he need to obey His fathers commandments as Jesus did? does He need to exalt Himself to sit at His own Right Hand?
ephesians 1:17 "That the GOD OF OUR LORD Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:"
matthew 3:17 "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."
1 john 5:5-12 "Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the SON OF GOD? 6This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that BEARETH WITNESS, because the Spirit is truth. 7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8And there are three that BEAR WITNESS in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
9If we receive the witness of men, the WITNESS OF GOD is greater: for THIS IS THE WITNESS OF GOD which he hath TESTIFIED OF HIS SON. 10He that believeth on the SON OF GOD hath THE WITNESS in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave OF HIS SON. 11And THIS IS THE RECORD, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is IN HIS SON. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the SON OF GOD hath not life.
13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the SON OF GOD; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of THE SON OF GOD."
christianity is 100 percent faith in God having a Son and giving Him for the life of the world
john 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
Mark 16:19 "So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God."
john 20:17 "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto MY FATHER , and your Father; and to MY GOD, and your God." does God have a God and father? does he need to obey His fathers commandments as Jesus did? does He need to exalt Himself to sit at His own Right Hand?
ephesians 1:17 "That the GOD OF OUR LORD Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:"
matthew 3:17 "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."
1 john 5:5-12 "Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the SON OF GOD? 6This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that BEARETH WITNESS, because the Spirit is truth. 7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8And there are three that BEAR WITNESS in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
9If we receive the witness of men, the WITNESS OF GOD is greater: for THIS IS THE WITNESS OF GOD which he hath TESTIFIED OF HIS SON. 10He that believeth on the SON OF GOD hath THE WITNESS in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave OF HIS SON. 11And THIS IS THE RECORD, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is IN HIS SON. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the SON OF GOD hath not life.
13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the SON OF GOD; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of THE SON OF GOD."
christianity is 100 percent faith in God having a Son and giving Him for the life of the world
john 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
Whether or not The Word was with God always or created before the world has no bearing on our belief in Jesus being the Son of God, as I see it. I have read that in the time of His life, the first born son, after reaching adulthood had the standing of his father and was able to legally make contracts in his father's name. The son was supposed to know what his father wanted to do and do it for him. I don't know if this was to be done only if the father was ailing or not. Jesus was the fist born, and only, Son of God, plus He was given the power and knowledge of God when needed, so in all respects to us He is God. Beside which He said that He was and cannot lie.
I haven't found anything that tells us that The Word didn't have His own powers, but did find where He as Jesus, and by inference His powers, will be "made subject to HIm", that is God, in 1 Corinthians 15:28 ([FONT="]When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him,[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] so that God may be all in all.) I am reasoning, possibly incorrectly of why will Jesus be made to be subject to God, which intimates that He will be forced to give up His sovereignty and possibly His power? The other understanding of this may be that it was jointly decided that Jesus would have to give up His [/FONT][FONT="]sovereignty[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] to His Father and they both made it happen, but without loss of power.
I contemplated not even posting this, because it seems like I could go around in circles with this as to whether The Word was as powerful as God and thereby was always God himself or if he was created and God gave Him the powers when He was created or even if God sort of sliced off a section of Himself to create the Word, making both thoughts accurate, in a way. I decided to post it anyway and let anyone slice and dice to their hearts content or read and forget it.[/FONT]
I haven't found anything that tells us that The Word didn't have His own powers, but did find where He as Jesus, and by inference His powers, will be "made subject to HIm", that is God, in 1 Corinthians 15:28 ([FONT="]When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him,[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] so that God may be all in all.) I am reasoning, possibly incorrectly of why will Jesus be made to be subject to God, which intimates that He will be forced to give up His sovereignty and possibly His power? The other understanding of this may be that it was jointly decided that Jesus would have to give up His [/FONT][FONT="]sovereignty[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] to His Father and they both made it happen, but without loss of power.
I contemplated not even posting this, because it seems like I could go around in circles with this as to whether The Word was as powerful as God and thereby was always God himself or if he was created and God gave Him the powers when He was created or even if God sort of sliced off a section of Himself to create the Word, making both thoughts accurate, in a way. I decided to post it anyway and let anyone slice and dice to their hearts content or read and forget it.[/FONT]
Jesus is Jehovah God incarnate. Jehovah God inhabits all of eternity. Eternity past, eternity present and eternity future. Jesus is Jehovah God in human form. Jehovah God is God as is Jesus and the Holy Spirit. God does not cease to be God when He is Jesus or the Holy Spirit.
The incarnation is difficult to comprehend and can only be received by faith. To believe in Jesus is to believe all that the scripture teaches of Him. His divinity as well as His humanity.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The incarnation is difficult to comprehend and can only be received by faith. To believe in Jesus is to believe all that the scripture teaches of Him. His divinity as well as His humanity.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Hi Jay,
Let's think this through.
If Jesus was just a good man then He had the sin nature like the rest of us and he would have sinned. And if He sinned, He could not have been the sinless sacrifice to atone for our sins.
His death, burial and resurrection couldn't save anyone. We might as well believe in some off the wall religion, because without Jesus being God, that's what it would be. Just one of many faiths, but not the one true faith.
Let's think this through.
If Jesus was just a good man then He had the sin nature like the rest of us and he would have sinned. And if He sinned, He could not have been the sinless sacrifice to atone for our sins.
His death, burial and resurrection couldn't save anyone. We might as well believe in some off the wall religion, because without Jesus being God, that's what it would be. Just one of many faiths, but not the one true faith.
J
are you sure, Hebrew says Jesus was tempted just as we are.
Hebrews 4:15
15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.
this part i dont understand? without the trinity His death, burial and resurrection does not save?
if the Most High died you would think all life,existence, and reality as we know it would have ceased to exist. just a thought.
Yes Jesus was tempted, but He never sinned, therefore He's the perfect sacrifice. Only God doesn't sin. All mankind does and will sin. IT's why we need a Savior.
Jesus was fully human, but was also fully God.
God is Spirit so He can't die. He's the preexistent one.
Jesus is God taking on humanity. The death, burial and resurrection would have no power if Jesus is not God incarnate.
Otherwise Jesus is just a human being like us who would have a sin nature like us and nothing He did could atone for mankind's sins.
Jesus was fully human, but was also fully God.
God is Spirit so He can't die. He's the preexistent one.
Jesus is God taking on humanity. The death, burial and resurrection would have no power if Jesus is not God incarnate.
Otherwise Jesus is just a human being like us who would have a sin nature like us and nothing He did could atone for mankind's sins.
J
i dont get how He could be fully human when humans sin, that seems like it would make him not a human. according to the original sin doctrine which has its own issues.
so without the trinity the Son can not save? the Father can not give this saving power to His Son? even when Jesus said He did not come on His own authority but on the authority of the Father?
so without the trinity the Son can not save? the Father can not give this saving power to His Son? even when Jesus said He did not come on His own authority but on the authority of the Father?
Jesus had no earthly father to pass to Him original sin. Jesus was born of a virgin.
Jesus willed His Spirit to leave His physical body on the cross. Sin could never condemn Him so it was necessary for Jesus to give up His Spirit and leave His body. No man takes His life from Him but He lays it down according to divine purpose.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Jesus willed His Spirit to leave His physical body on the cross. Sin could never condemn Him so it was necessary for Jesus to give up His Spirit and leave His body. No man takes His life from Him but He lays it down according to divine purpose.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
J
Jesus said we are all sons of the Most High as believers. the Father said Jesus is His begotten son.
i didnt think the fathers sins are passed to the son?
Ezekiel 18:20
20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
i didnt think the fathers sins are passed to the son?
Ezekiel 18:20
20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.