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Where did you come up with this terrible theology?
The consequences of sin is eternal condemnation. Jesus taught that in Luke 16. I assure you that the rich man is still in torments and will be cast into the lake of fire forever. The souls Jesus described as in outer darkness where the worm dieth not are still there and have no hope of ever being relieved of their suffering.
Mark 9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part.
41 ¶ For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.
42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
You cannot reason away the judgment of God on sin. God has declared that His righteous judgment must be satisfied. It can only be satisfied by the blood of His dear Son Jesus or eternal condemnation.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The consequences of sin is eternal condemnation. Jesus taught that in Luke 16. I assure you that the rich man is still in torments and will be cast into the lake of fire forever. The souls Jesus described as in outer darkness where the worm dieth not are still there and have no hope of ever being relieved of their suffering.
Mark 9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part.
41 ¶ For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.
42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
You cannot reason away the judgment of God on sin. God has declared that His righteous judgment must be satisfied. It can only be satisfied by the blood of His dear Son Jesus or eternal condemnation.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
It is if you place feeling above the word of God. I'm glad you repented but does not absolve you of placing your sin in the hands to Christ to forgive you.
Not would be but are beyond any doubt. Jesus save those who come to Him. Those whom are brought under conviction of sin, righteousness and judgment. Those who cease from self and trust only in Him for forgiveness of sin and eternal life. Those to whom He has imputed His righteousness because He has taken their sin upon Himself.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Not would be but are beyond any doubt. Jesus save those who come to Him. Those whom are brought under conviction of sin, righteousness and judgment. Those who cease from self and trust only in Him for forgiveness of sin and eternal life. Those to whom He has imputed His righteousness because He has taken their sin upon Himself.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The lake of fire was the end resultHere's what Jesus said. From Isaiah 29:13 and Mat 15:8
Mr 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Religion does not make a good substitute for faith and trust in Gods word.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Mr 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Religion does not make a good substitute for faith and trust in Gods word.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Those not covered by the righteous blood of Christ shed on the cross for the remission of sin have their names blotted out of the Lamb's book of life, and following the resurrection and judgement of all, they pass into the second death, which is eternal punishment, and they go in to the lake of fire, as does hell/death. Only those who have come to faith in Jesus Christ pass into life ever after.
Really? So the lake of fire is what I am experiencing when I'm fornicating with every woman that will let me? The lake of fire is what I experienced when smoking weed, snorting coke, drinking, tripping on LSD, and parting until the breaka, breaka dawn? Sorry man I disagree with this and everything you are trying to sell here. When I was sinning the vast majority of it was very fun, and my flesh LOVED . How is that "experiencing the Lake of Fire"?
If we are all going to heaven then what do we do with Jesus words in Matt 7:13?
[SUP]13 [/SUP]“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it
Everything you are saying here seems to be coming from what "you think", very dangerous.
If we are all going to heaven then what do we do with Jesus words in Matt 7:13?
[SUP]13 [/SUP]“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it
Everything you are saying here seems to be coming from what "you think", very dangerous.
Hello resurrection33
I will have to disagree. Most never see the consequences of the sin they commit here in this life .Your bank robbery example , 43% will getaway meaning never get caught. Nearly 40 % of murders go unsolved here in the United States rape is at 80% unsolved against women child victims the numbers are worse 90% of the crimes go unsolved. Thief only 22% get solved . So over all most never get caught. If you look at world stats in countries in Asia murders are 80% unsolved no one paying there . So no consequences anywhere on the most part .
Also what about a man that straps on a vest filled with explosives nails and fragments of barb wire. He walks his way into a crowd . He pushes the button . You know the result men women children along with the bomber are dead . So dose that bomber accept the lord between the time that the button is being pushed and when the vest explodes?
no offense just think don't feel there is a big difference.
Blessings
Bill
I will have to disagree. Most never see the consequences of the sin they commit here in this life .Your bank robbery example , 43% will getaway meaning never get caught. Nearly 40 % of murders go unsolved here in the United States rape is at 80% unsolved against women child victims the numbers are worse 90% of the crimes go unsolved. Thief only 22% get solved . So over all most never get caught. If you look at world stats in countries in Asia murders are 80% unsolved no one paying there . So no consequences anywhere on the most part .
Also what about a man that straps on a vest filled with explosives nails and fragments of barb wire. He walks his way into a crowd . He pushes the button . You know the result men women children along with the bomber are dead . So dose that bomber accept the lord between the time that the button is being pushed and when the vest explodes?
no offense just think don't feel there is a big difference.
Blessings
Bill
How can you disagree? The consequences of sin ARE horrible. If you rob a bank, you WILL go to jail for quite some time. When we follow Jesus, he DOES lead us on a path that avoids the consequences of sin (because he leads us on a path that eliminates sin). And he DOES forgive us for past sins. What is there to disagree with here?