King James Bible ONLY? Or NOT?

[slave]

John 8:43 KJV
Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

Here, is this better? Explain the verse to us all... the KJV version not your bible.

Is this what you are talking about here?

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. (1 Corinthians 2:11).

Many versions of translations are fine to me.

 

[graceNpeace]

I think I see your problem, you don't know what "my word" is do you? If you're not a KJV reader I wouldn't expect that you would know.

Why couldn't they understand his speech, why couldn't they hear HIS WORD? Language barrier? The Pharisees didn't know the scriptures? What does he mean by HIS WORD?

Utter twaddle - the Pharisees of all people knew Scripture so well that they could quote it verbatim!

I already told you the reason they could not understand what Jesus was saying was this:

47 [FONT=&quot]He that is of God heareth God's words: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God[/FONT][FONT=&quot]. John 8:47 KJV

The reason for the NOT hearing is VERY obvious in vs 47 (now quoted from the KJV)!
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[Dino246]

It's very simple did Jesus have an origin... surely you recognize this as an error.

Where did you get the idea that Jesus had no origin?

I'm not arguing the point of whether Jesus had origins, but the question of how you came to know that, if neither from the NIV nor the KJV.

 

[KJV1611]

Utter twaddle - the Pharisees of all people knew Scripture so well that they could quote it verbatim!

I already told you the reason they could not understand what Jesus was saying was this:

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. John 8:47 KJV

The reason for the NOT hearing is VERY obvious in vs 47 (now quoted from the KJV)!

It is ironic that you and I are playing out the same verses that we are discussing.... you're playing the part of the Pharisees and I'm playing the part of Jesus. I am giving you "HIS WORD" from the scripture and you can't understand my speech because you can't hear HIS WORD. Remember, faith comes by hearing and hearing comes from the word of God.

My suggestion to you would be to get into the word so you can hear HIS WORD.

 

[graceNpeace]

It is ironic that you and I are playing out the same verses that we are discussing.... you're playing the part of the Pharisees and I'm playing the part of Jesus. I am giving you "HIS WORD" from the scripture and you can't understand my speech because you can't hear HIS WORD. Remember, faith comes by hearing and hearing comes from the word of God.

My suggestion to you would be to get into the word so you can hear HIS WORD.

So, there we have it - you cannot argue the point.

You misquote Scripture and then when I push you into a corner - you come back with this!
Is that all you have...

 

[KJV1611]

Where did you get the idea that Jesus had no origin?

I'm not arguing the point of whether Jesus had origins, but the question of how you came to know that, if neither from the NIV nor the KJV.

There are several places but probably the best is here.

Romans 1:20 KJV
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

 

[KJV1611]

So, there we have it - you cannot argue the point.

You misquote Scripture and then when I push you into a corner - you come back with this!
Is that all you have...

I just thought that was interesting. Look a person can't hear HIS WORD if they're not of God. You act like the two verses contradict each other.

 

[KJV1611]

Is this what you are talking about here?

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. (1 Corinthians 2:11).

Many versions of translations are fine to me.

Gods word has always been hidden in the symbolism of the words written down on paper. Those hidden meanings are the spirit and the written words are the letter.

 

[graceNpeace]

I just thought that was interesting. Look a person can't hear HIS WORD if they're not of God. You act like the two verses contradict each other.

Like I said - master deceiver!

I was the one who linked the two verses (vs 43 and vs 47) in John chapter 8 together to show the true context.
And now you would imply the exact opposite...
Wow - you are so confused!

 

[KJV1611]

Like I said - master deceiver!

I was the one who linked the two verses (vs 43 and vs 47) in John chapter 8 together to show the true context.
And now you would imply the exact opposite...
Wow - you are so confused!

Hey I'm still praying for you, I was you at one time in life so I KNOW there's hope.

 

[graceNpeace]

Hey I'm still praying for you, I was you at one time in life so I KNOW there's hope.

I tell you what, why don't you explain to all the folks on this forum the meaning of Ps 12:6, especially the part that relates to your views on the KJV.

I mean if you are correct in your views, then you wouldn't want to do this now would you: 33 [FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]No man, when he hath lighted a candle, putteth it in a secret place, neither under a bushel, but on a candlestick, that they which come in may see the light[/FONT][FONT=&quot]. Luke 11:33 KJV

[/FONT]So please don't hide as you are currently doing, skulking around in the shadows hoping to trap us with your erudite knowledge (the mind boggles) of the Bible by arguing about jot and tittle.
Please, openly state all your beliefs and let us all drink from your table of wisdom and knowledge....

Start with Ps 12:6

 

[KJV1611]

I tell you what, why don't you explain to all the folks on this forum the meaning of Ps 12:6, especially the part that relates to your views on the KJV.

I mean if you are correct in your views, then you wouldn't want to do this now would you: 33 No man, when he hath lighted a candle, putteth it in a secret place, neither under a bushel, but on a candlestick, that they which come in may see the light. Luke 11:33 KJV

So please don't hide as you are currently doing, skulking around in the shadows hoping to trap us with your erudite knowledge (the mind boggles) of the Bible by arguing about jot and tittle.
Please, openly state all your beliefs and let us all drink from your table of wisdom and knowledge....

Start with Ps 12:6

Psalm 12:6 KJV
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

I know, you've got me pegged right... you think I think that means the KJV or the 7 English translations leading up to it or whatever. Well I don't and I don't know what the verse means.

I have never used that as a proof the KJV is the inerrant word of God, I use verse 7 to show what should be obvious to any bible believing Christian - God preserved his word.

Psalm 12:7 KJV
Thou shalt keep them, O Lord , thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

 

[graceNpeace]

Psalm 12:6 KJV
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

I know, you've got me pegged right... you think I think that means the KJV or the 7 English translations leading up to it or whatever. Well I don't and I don't know what the verse means.

I have never used that as a proof the KJV is the inerrant word of God, I use verse 7 to show what should be obvious to any bible believing Christian - God preserved his word.

Psalm 12:7 KJV
Thou shalt keep them, O Lord , thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

Well, isn't that a giggle!
Ps 12:6 is your signature verse (and the signature verse of the KJVO crowd), yet you claim that you don't know what it means!

So, your signature verse, the verse that YOU chose out of the entire Bible to use, happens to be a verse that you do not understand !!!??!

Well, isn't that a shame.
I thought you may be able to educate us, but not so obviously...

Can you not see how stupid this all is!

I suppose your defense of the inspiration and inerrancy of the KJV will reach the same heights.....

 

[Christian71]

The seed is the word of God, how can we be born again of incorruptible seed if the seed is corrupt? We can't and that's why people can't see or enter into the kingdom of heaven and basically have no clue as to what the kingdom of heaven even is.

I am KJV also and I read and study it everyday... But the quote I'm reading disturbs me... Are you saying you believe that the KJV is the incorruptible seed?... I don't and I can prove it, if you care to listen... The seed talking about the word of God is Jesus Christ... The seed is Christ and the word is Christ... And unless you born of this seed you will never enter Heaven... We have the written words of God that instruct us how to live in this world and following as much as we are able the Living Word that saved us and called us with a Holy calling... There is NO TRANSLATION that imparts ETERNAL LIFE!... KJV or otherwise!... Instead of me telling you let Jesus Christ tell you in his own words from your KJV!... Brother Glen

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

 

[KJV1611]

Well, isn't that a giggle!
Ps 12:6 is your signature verse (and the signature verse of the KJVO crowd), yet you claim that you don't know what it means!

So, your signature verse, the verse that YOU chose out of the entire Bible to use, happens to be a verse that you do not understand !!!??!

Well, isn't that a shame.
I thought you may be able to educate us, but not so obviously...

Can you not see how stupid this all is!

I suppose your defense of the inspiration and inerrancy of the KJV will reach the same heights.....

Yeah my signature is Psalm 12:6 because it says the words of the Lord ARE, present tense PURE! I can't educate anyone, that's not what I'm here for. I'm here to counter your claims that Gods words are not pure.

 

[KJV1611]

I am KJV also and I read and study it everyday... But the quote I'm reading disturbs me... Are you saying you believe that the KJV is the incorruptible seed?... I don't and I can prove it, if you care to listen... The seed talking about the word of God is Jesus Christ... The seed is Christ and the word is Christ... And unless you born of this seed you will never enter Heaven... We have the written words of God that instruct us how to live in this world and following as much as we are able the Living Word that saved us and called us with a Holy calling... There is NO TRANSLATION that imparts ETERNAL LIFE!... KJV or otherwise!... Instead of me telling you let Jesus Christ tell you in his own words from your KJV!... Brother Glen

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Do you believe every word in the KJV is right brother Glen? Is this verse Jesus or the word of God?

1 Peter 1:23 KJV
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

 

[graceNpeace]

Yeah my signature is Psalm 12:6 because it says the words of the Lord ARE, present tense PURE! I can't educate anyone, that's not what I'm here for. I'm here to counter your claims that Gods words are not pure.

Don't lie now.
Your claim is simply that the KJV is the only word of God.
My claim is that KJVO viewpoint is utterly false and cannot withstand any kind of scrutiny.

Do not lie by trying to put words in my mouth!

Please explain to us all why the KJV is inspired and inerrant!

 

[KJV1611]

Don't lie now.
Your claim is simply that the KJV is the only word of God.
My claim is that KJVO viewpoint is utterly false and cannot withstand any kind of scrutiny.

Do not lie by trying to put words in my mouth!

Please explain to us all why the KJV is inspired and inerrant!

That's what I've been doing this whole thread... go back and read some of it.

 

[graceNpeace]

That's what I've been doing this whole thread... go back and read some of it.

No, all you have done is try to show that the wording of some verses is different.

That is VERY different from proving that the KJV is inspired and inerrant!!!

You cannot use the KJV as its own standard!

 

[Christian71]

Do you believe every word in the KJV is right brother Glen? Is this verse Jesus or the word of God?

1 Peter 1:23 KJV
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Again Jesus Christ which liveth and abideth forever!... You can throw your KJV and any other translation in the fire and it will burn and perish... Who was in the firey furnace with the children of Israel?... Did not we throw in three?... Behold I see four and the forth is like The Son Of Man... Who was the Man?... The Eternal Son Of God... In the beginning was The Word and Word was with God and the Word was God... By him all things were made and for him all thing were created... Brother Glen