FOR THOSE WHO SAY THAT CHRIST IS NOT GOD.
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Ok sisterclaudette let me try it this way? First of all truth is "NOT" determined by how many times verses say one thing in opposition to verses that say another. Secondly, those few verses you mentioned are not "implying" anything but are declaring truth. Just like the Apostle Peter clearly stated that Jesus Christ is "Our great God and Savior."
Or like the Apostle Thomas clearly declared to Jesus Christ Himself at John 20:28 that Jesus Christ was his "Lord and God." And I can give you more verses but I think you get my point. So sisterclaudette, how do we reconcile verses that appear to be contradictory like in what your saying and what I'm saying? Obviously you don't know how else wise you would not have brought this isssue up. So what do we do?
In my first post that started this thread I explained why Jesus Christ has the same nature as His Father who is God. I also stated that it's a universal law that all sons share the same exact nature as its father. This is true not only of humans but in the animal world as well. For example, tigers beget other tigers, humming birds beget other humming birds etc.
Now, in the case of Jesus Christ He often referred to Himself as the "Son of Man" and as the "Son of God?" He is the "Son of Man" on His mothers side which makes Him by nature human. He is the "Son of God" on His Father's side which makes Him
Deity/God. Jesus Christ is the only one that has two natures, one as a human and two as Deity or God.
This also why John 3:16 clearly states that "God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son etc. What that means is that Jesus Christ is the "ONE AND ONLY" Son of God as in there are no others. Christians are sons and daughters of God by way of adoption whereas Jesus Christ is literally the Son of God by nature. This is also why I explained Hebrews 1:3 to show Jesus is the spitting image of His Father. Jesus Christ is "NOT" God the Father but the literal Son of God His Father.
Also, Jesus Christ is a distinct person from His Father. Just like you have the same nature as your parents which is human yet you a distinct person from your parents. Your not your mother and your not your father. What you have in common is your nature. And it is your nature that distinguishes your from all that is not human. Does all this make sense to you sister? I can get into what the Hebrews idiom "son of" means in Scripture if you want but for now I will let you think about what I just said but I will stop for now.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Or like the Apostle Thomas clearly declared to Jesus Christ Himself at John 20:28 that Jesus Christ was his "Lord and God." And I can give you more verses but I think you get my point. So sisterclaudette, how do we reconcile verses that appear to be contradictory like in what your saying and what I'm saying? Obviously you don't know how else wise you would not have brought this isssue up. So what do we do?
In my first post that started this thread I explained why Jesus Christ has the same nature as His Father who is God. I also stated that it's a universal law that all sons share the same exact nature as its father. This is true not only of humans but in the animal world as well. For example, tigers beget other tigers, humming birds beget other humming birds etc.
Now, in the case of Jesus Christ He often referred to Himself as the "Son of Man" and as the "Son of God?" He is the "Son of Man" on His mothers side which makes Him by nature human. He is the "Son of God" on His Father's side which makes Him
Deity/God. Jesus Christ is the only one that has two natures, one as a human and two as Deity or God.
This also why John 3:16 clearly states that "God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son etc. What that means is that Jesus Christ is the "ONE AND ONLY" Son of God as in there are no others. Christians are sons and daughters of God by way of adoption whereas Jesus Christ is literally the Son of God by nature. This is also why I explained Hebrews 1:3 to show Jesus is the spitting image of His Father. Jesus Christ is "NOT" God the Father but the literal Son of God His Father.
Also, Jesus Christ is a distinct person from His Father. Just like you have the same nature as your parents which is human yet you a distinct person from your parents. Your not your mother and your not your father. What you have in common is your nature. And it is your nature that distinguishes your from all that is not human. Does all this make sense to you sister? I can get into what the Hebrews idiom "son of" means in Scripture if you want but for now I will let you think about what I just said but I will stop for now.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
K
John 14- Jesus speaking...
[FONT="]And whatsoever ye shall ask [/FONT][FONT="]in my name[/FONT][FONT="], that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Look at the rest of the chapter...
[/FONT][FONT="]3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.[/FONT]
[FONT="]4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.[/FONT]
[FONT="]5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?[/FONT]
[FONT="]6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.[/FONT]
[FONT="]7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.[/FONT]
[FONT="]8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.[/FONT]
[FONT="]9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?[/FONT]
[FONT="]10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.[/FONT]
[FONT="]11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.[/FONT]
[FONT="]12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.[/FONT]
[FONT="]13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.[/FONT]
[FONT="]14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.[/FONT]
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[/FONT][FONT="]Jesus said "if you have seen Me,you have seen the Father.
[/FONT][FONT="]1 John-[/FONT]12 [FONT="]He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.[/FONT][FONT="]13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.[/FONT]
[FONT="]14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:[/FONT]
[FONT="]15And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.[/FONT]
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could this be a sign of the end times people denying the deity of Christ and persist with it after evidence is provided????????????? its very scary i am afraid you could be making a big mistake for your soul........ dont risk it!!!!!!! if you dont overstand the biblical proof provided atleast think of all the great men of God from the apostles to the church fathers to the reformation people like john calvin and wesley and luther....... all these guys believed Jesus was God!!!!!
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Watchtower doctrine.
In your doubletalk you simply confuse the obvious.
You guys could spend 500 years trying to offset the trinity and every second of that time have the bible itself screaming truth into your brain,to no avail.
Why?
Because you are mental.
The bible is heaven based,therefore out of your mind.
In your doubletalk you simply confuse the obvious.
You guys could spend 500 years trying to offset the trinity and every second of that time have the bible itself screaming truth into your brain,to no avail.
Why?
Because you are mental.
The bible is heaven based,therefore out of your mind.