homosexuality is it a sin?

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pottersclay

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you can see if they left for another spouse in the natural but ....for the same sex...after that many yrs?
 
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Ariel82

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true but its a hot topic in the church and has caused alot of division. we need to bottom line this across the board. why does the word of god call this affection strange...what does it mean....its not like any other sin. imo
I list it with other sexual sins of adultery and fornication.

God can forgive sins...,if people admit that it's a sin and repent,
 
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I like some input , this is a topic that has popped up as a case of sin .

Now as paul points out this act is unnatural so is it a sin or something else.

We are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. Now to be truthful i have probably broken every commandment carnaly or heartfully even murder as i have wished harm to a person, adultry, yeah low tops and high skirts used to catch my eye.

Now heres the thing I never looked at the same sex lustfully. Never. Scripture tells us its unnatural so this is not a common sin of sorts but we seem to classify it as so.

stealing , lieing , cheating are natural sinful behavior which is wicked and needs to be repented of but as far as I can see homosexuality is the only one discribed as un natural affection.....your thoughts?
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Homosexuality is a sin like every other sin,but even nature teaches that males,and females,get together,in a relationship type of way,that it should be an intinct for a male to gravitate towards a female,and a female towards a male,which not only is it against the spiritual realm of God,but against the natural realm.

Like God said that a man should have short hair,and a woman long hair,and even nature teaches that it is a shame for a man to have long hair.

God created in the natural realm for males to be with females,and that is the order of things,but some go against that.

It should be an instinct in us to gravitate towards the opposite sex,for even nature teaches that is the way it is by how God designed the natural realm,for males to be with females.

If we look at nature we see males,and females together,and for them to be homosexual they are putting themselves in an unnatural position of behaving like the opposite sex,like a woman should have long hair,and a man short hair,but if a man has long hair even natures teaches it is a shame,for then the man is putting himself in the position of being a woman.

If a person steals,lies,or cheats,they are not putting themselves in an unnatural position,for everybody does those sins regardless of sex,but for a man to be with a man,they are putting themselves in an unnatural position of being a woman,and a woman with a woman in the unnatural position of being a man,which even nature itself teaches this is wrong.

All other sins are not like that,but sins people do in general regardless of sex.

All other sins does not change the identity of the person,for both male,and female,are born sinners,and will sin.

But homosexuality changes the identity of the person from a male to a female,and a female to a male,which even nature teaches that it is wrong,and thus an unnatural act.

Homosexuality not only goes against the spiritual realm of God,but goes against the natural realm,where stealing goes against the spiritual realm of God,but not against the natural realm,for that is what the natural world is about people having their own way,and why we become spiritual by the Spirit,and overcome the world,which God said love not the world,or the things in the world,which is not of the Father.

It is a natural act to steal according to the natural realm,but not the spiritual realm,but it is unnatural to be homosexual in the natural realm,as well as the spiritual realm.

Homosexuality is the only sin that is against the natural realm,for everything in nature is male,and female,where all other sins are part of the natural realm for that is the way of the world.
 
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pottersclay

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now Im not trying to hate on no one this is not the issue but why is this called unnatural? jesus does not even address this issue as when he refers to fornacation it refrence is between man and women as the language speaks.......adultry, lusting after woman in the heart. All of the natural.
 
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pottersclay

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Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Homosexuality is a sin like every other sin,but even nature teaches that males,and females,get together,in a relationship type of way,that it should be an intinct for a male to gravitate towards a female,and a female towards a male,which not only is it against the spiritual realm of God,but against the natural realm.

Like God said that a man should have short hair,and a woman long hair,and even nature teaches that it is a shame for a man to have long hair.

God created in the natural realm for males to be with females,and that is the order of things,but some go against that.

It should be an instinct in us to gravitate towards the opposite sex,for even nature teaches that is the way it is by how God designed the natural realm,for males to be with females.

If we look at nature we see males,and females together,and for them to be homosexual they are putting themselves in an unnatural position of behaving like the opposite sex,like a woman should have long hair,and a man short hair,but if a man has long hair even natures teaches it is a shame,for then the man is putting himself in the position of being a woman.

If a person steals,lies,or cheats,they are not putting themselves in an unnatural position,for everybody does those sins regardless of sex,but for a man to be with a man,they are putting themselves in an unnatural position of being a woman,and a woman with a woman in the unnatural position of being a man,which even nature itself teaches this is wrong.

All other sins are not like that,but sins people do in general regardless of sex.

All other sins does not change the identity of the person,for both male,and female,are born sinners,and will sin.

But homosexuality changes the identity of the person from a male to a female,and a female to a male,which even nature teaches that it is wrong,and thus an unnatural act.

Homosexuality not only goes against the spiritual realm of God,but goes against the natural realm,where stealing goes against the spiritual realm of God,but not against the natural realm,for that is what the natural world is about people having their own way,and why we become spiritual by the Spirit,and overcome the world,which God said love not the world,or the things in the world,which is not of the Father.

It is a natural act to steal according to the natural realm,but not the spiritual realm,but it is unnatural to be homosexual in the natural realm,as well as the spiritual realm.

Homosexuality is the only sin that is against the natural realm,for everything in nature is male,and female,where all other sins are part of the natural realm for that is the way of the world.

thats what im looking for to expound on. thanks
 

Seekingfamily

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Do you believe Paul is speaking in behalf of Jesus? If so, than Jesus does talk about it being un natural in Romans.
 

Johnny_B

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Sin is sin, with that we must also notice that sexual sin is different then other sin.

I Timothy 1:8-11 "Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully,9 understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers,10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,11 in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted."

I Corinthians 6:9-10, 17-20 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God....17 But he who is joined to the Lord becomes one spirit with him.18 Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body.19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own,
20 for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body."


 
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now Im not trying to hate on no one this is not the issue but why is this called unnatural? jesus does not even address this issue as when he refers to fornacation it refrence is between man and women as the language speaks.......adultry, lusting after woman in the heart. All of the natural.
Yes Jesus did refer to it. In the OT, Yahweh is Jesus. What did Yahweh say about homosexuals in Leviticus 23?
 
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1 Corinthians 6:9-10 answers it perfectly:

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Zen

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I knew a man that left his wife and two kids after 23 yrs of marriage to live and marry a man.....I know a woman that left her husband after 10 yrs to marry a woman. now tell me that the sexual needs were not ment in the natural...but yet they persued the unnatural.....no matter the cost..
A person can do all kinds of sick, perverted things when they are influenced by God's enemy. The enemy that hates God so much that it relentlessly tortures His children and speaks unimaginably unforgivable blasphemy.

It simply leads me to believe that it's a faith issue, raised here.

Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

These people reject God, so God rejects them. God experiences the beginning and end of time simultaneously and can blot out a person's name before they were born, for a person rejecting God at the end of their life. We all know what happens when we abandon God and go after wickedness, it always ends in disaster.
 
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guess what im trying to get at is ......that its not a inherit from the fall but has its beginning from something else.
Actually, if you read Romans 1-2 carefully, (as in "dump all the stuff you've been taught over the years about homosexuality, and just read the words as they are written"), I think you'll see it came at the Fall, just like the rest of that list of sin in Romans 1.

Basically, we would not worship God, so he gave us over to our debasements. Not just homosexuality -- although sometimes that too -- but all sin. The Big List found in Romans 1:29-31.
 

PennEd

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un natural means uncommon.....strange.
Yes. Strange flesh. Like the abomination of Fallen Angels mating with human women, corrupting DNA. Now, with cloning, homosexuals can indeed procreate. But to create what? As in the days of Noah.....
 

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How can angels mate with human beings?

30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
 

PennEd

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How can angels mate with human beings?
They can't. Unless, as Jude states they leave their "habitation" and have sexual relations with them ON EARTH, NOT IN HEAVEN. Look that word up. It's only used in one other place in the NT. In that place it refers to where we are going and our resurrection bodies. Jude also ties it into the going after strange flesh like they did in Sodom and Gomorrah.
JUDE:
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
 

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In my opinion, Homosexuality is a sin because sex is with a Married spouse to Reproduce. Biologically, two people of the same gender cannot reproduce, so they are choosing to have sex for pleasure versus the whole intention. That's the way I look at it, let me know if you have any input
 

Zen

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In my opinion, Homosexuality is a sin because sex is with a Married spouse to Reproduce. Biologically, two people of the same gender cannot reproduce, so they are choosing to have sex for pleasure versus the whole intention. That's the way I look at it, let me know if you have any input
Yes but also it's sex outside of marriage, which is fornication.

Husband and wife can have sex for pleasure, not just procreation lol.

Also God calls it unseemly.

Romans 1:27
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Perversion of flesh
Lust
Unseemly
Fornication
Unnatural
 
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I like some input , this is a topic that has popped up as a case of sin .

Now as paul points out this act is unnatural so is it a sin or something else.

We are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. Now to be truthful i have probably broken every commandment carnaly or heartfully even murder as i have wished harm to a person, adultry, yeah low tops and high skirts used to catch my eye.

Now heres the thing I never looked at the same sex lustfully. Never. Scripture tells us its unnatural so this is not a common sin of sorts but we seem to classify it as so.

stealing , lieing , cheating are natural sinful behavior which is wicked and needs to be repented of but as far as I can see homosexuality is the only one discribed as un natural affection.....your thoughts?
Yes..it is most definitely a sin. It is in the same lists with the other works of the flesh such as having malice, outbursts of anger, slandering others in the body of Christ, envying, causing divisions and strife...etc
 
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I like some input , this is a topic that has popped up as a case of sin .

Now as paul points out this act is unnatural so is it a sin or something else.

We are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. Now to be truthful i have probably broken every commandment carnaly or heartfully even murder as i have wished harm to a person, adultry, yeah low tops and high skirts used to catch my eye.

Now heres the thing I never looked at the same sex lustfully. Never. Scripture tells us its unnatural so this is not a common sin of sorts but we seem to classify it as so.

stealing , lieing , cheating are natural sinful behavior which is wicked and needs to be repented of but as far as I can see homosexuality is the only one discribed as un natural affection.....your thoughts?
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. Lev 18:22 RSV