Any One Zealous For Spiritual Gifts?
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The real problem is that Enow has learned a false understanding of the subject, and is teaching his false understanding as though it were true. His beliefs are so entrenched in his mind that he cannot comprehend the words of scripture.
He has claimed multiple times that
That is simply not true, and it directly contradicts the written scriptures:
1 Cor 14:
2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth [him]; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries..
Speaking in tongues is speaking TO GOD, it is NOT "for God to speak unto the people".
And if tongues is for God to speak to the people " in their native tongue", why does it need to be interpreted at all?
And he has specifically exhorted people to NOT seek the "gift" of tongues, when the Bible explicitly states:
1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
1 Cor 14:
39) Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
On this topic (and his views on women's role in the church, but that's for another thread) Enow is a dangerous man, trying to persuade people AWAY from the truth. I am convinced he does this in ignorance, but he refuses to "see the light", or the scriptures.
He has claimed multiple times that
That is simply not true, and it directly contradicts the written scriptures:
1 Cor 14:
2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth [him]; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries..
Speaking in tongues is speaking TO GOD, it is NOT "for God to speak unto the people".
And if tongues is for God to speak to the people " in their native tongue", why does it need to be interpreted at all?
And he has specifically exhorted people to NOT seek the "gift" of tongues, when the Bible explicitly states:
1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
1 Cor 14:
39) Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
On this topic (and his views on women's role in the church, but that's for another thread) Enow is a dangerous man, trying to persuade people AWAY from the truth. I am convinced he does this in ignorance, but he refuses to "see the light", or the scriptures.
You can only know Him by dwelling withon us... not besides us where the spirits of the antichrists dwells which is outside of us.
Jesus spoke of the born again of the Spirit to Nicodemus as something that happens after His ascension.
John 3:[SUP]12 [/SUP]If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?[SUP] 13 [/SUP]And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.[SUP]14 [/SUP]And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:[SUP]15 [/SUP]That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
He said this promise will come from the Father when He is no longer present with them.
John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.[SUP]2 [/SUP]In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.[SUP]3 [/SUP]And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.......
Here is Jesus talking about Him leaving them... but He says this about the forever abiding Holy Spirit...
John 14:[SUP]16 [/SUP]And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
That is the promise of the forever abiding Holy Spirit to be given by the Father when Jesus had ascended above. He repeats this again.
John 14:[SUP]25 [/SUP]These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.[SUP]26 [/SUP]But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.[SUP] 27 [/SUP]Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
So this promise that comes at our salvation is when Jesus was no longer present with His disciples so that they can share like testimony with other future believers that they had received the promise of the Spirit from the Father by faith in Jesus Christ. That is why the disciples were officially saved at Pentecost and Pentecost is when the birth of the church began.
I am recognizing when the born again of the Spirit was to happen and that was after His ascension; not while Jesus was still physically present with them. Wat had happened in John 20:21-22 was temporary just as the giving of the Holy Spirit was temporary in Matthew 10th chapter where one of them, Judas Iscariot, was not even a believer.
John 6:[SUP]61 [/SUP]When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?[SUP]62 [/SUP]What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?[SUP]63 [/SUP]It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.[SUP]64 [/SUP]But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.[SUP]65 [/SUP]And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
That is why it is the Father that draws all men unto the Son to believe in Him to be saved and that has to happen after His ascension when Jesus was no longer physically present with them for this promise of the born again of the Spirit experience was to happen.
John 6:[SUP]68 [/SUP]Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.[SUP] 69 [/SUP]And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.[SUP]70 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?[SUP]71 [/SUP]He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.
So none of His disciples were saved until Pentecost after Jesus had ascended as promised by His very words as to when the born again experience would happen by which all believers would be saved.
John 7:[SUP]8 [/SUP]He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.[SUP]39 [/SUP](But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
Jesus spoke of the born again of the Spirit to Nicodemus as something that happens after His ascension.
John 3:[SUP]12 [/SUP]If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?[SUP] 13 [/SUP]And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.[SUP]14 [/SUP]And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:[SUP]15 [/SUP]That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
He said this promise will come from the Father when He is no longer present with them.
John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.[SUP]2 [/SUP]In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.[SUP]3 [/SUP]And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.......
Here is Jesus talking about Him leaving them... but He says this about the forever abiding Holy Spirit...
John 14:[SUP]16 [/SUP]And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
That is the promise of the forever abiding Holy Spirit to be given by the Father when Jesus had ascended above. He repeats this again.
John 14:[SUP]25 [/SUP]These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.[SUP]26 [/SUP]But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.[SUP] 27 [/SUP]Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
So this promise that comes at our salvation is when Jesus was no longer present with His disciples so that they can share like testimony with other future believers that they had received the promise of the Spirit from the Father by faith in Jesus Christ. That is why the disciples were officially saved at Pentecost and Pentecost is when the birth of the church began.
I am recognizing when the born again of the Spirit was to happen and that was after His ascension; not while Jesus was still physically present with them. Wat had happened in John 20:21-22 was temporary just as the giving of the Holy Spirit was temporary in Matthew 10th chapter where one of them, Judas Iscariot, was not even a believer.
John 6:[SUP]61 [/SUP]When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?[SUP]62 [/SUP]What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?[SUP]63 [/SUP]It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.[SUP]64 [/SUP]But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.[SUP]65 [/SUP]And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
That is why it is the Father that draws all men unto the Son to believe in Him to be saved and that has to happen after His ascension when Jesus was no longer physically present with them for this promise of the born again of the Spirit experience was to happen.
John 6:[SUP]68 [/SUP]Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.[SUP] 69 [/SUP]And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.[SUP]70 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?[SUP]71 [/SUP]He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.
So none of His disciples were saved until Pentecost after Jesus had ascended as promised by His very words as to when the born again experience would happen by which all believers would be saved.
John 7:[SUP]8 [/SUP]He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.[SUP]39 [/SUP](But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
How does the Holy Spirit only comes once and praying for 2nd anointing line up with this? See the underlined please.
Acts 2.1-4
2 When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And suddenly there came from heaven a noise like a violent rushing wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And there appeared to them tongues as of fire distributing themselves, and they rested on each one of them. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance.
Acts 4.23-31
[SUP]23 [/SUP]When they had been released, they went to their own companions and reported all that the chief priests and the elders had said to them. [SUP]24 [/SUP]And when they heard this, they lifted their voices to God with one accord and said, “O Lord, it is You who made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and all that is in them, [SUP]25 [/SUP]who by the Holy Spirit, through the mouth of our father David Your servant, said,
‘Why did the Gentiles rage,
And the peoples devise futile things?
[SUP]26 [/SUP]‘The kings of the earth took their stand,
And the rulers were gathered together
Against the Lord and against His Christ.’
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For truly in this city there were gathered together against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, [SUP]28 [/SUP]to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose predestined to occur. [SUP]29 [/SUP]And now, Lord, take note of their threats, and grant that Your bond-servants may speak Your word with all confidence, [SUP]30 [/SUP]while You extend Your hand to heal, and signs and wonders take place through the name of Your holy servant Jesus.” [SUP]31 [/SUP]And when they had prayed, the place where they had gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak the word of God with boldness.
Peter and John were in this passage, Right? They were filled at Pentecost, Right? And again at this location, after this prayer, right?
2 separate instances of the Holy Spirit filling people. You will notice that second filling came after they prayed for it and had been subject to physical, mental and emotional persecution....this tells me that People should pray for the Holy Spirit to fill them again and again....and to always rely on his power, not their own and certainly not once...It was not until this filling that they then spoke of the word of God with boldness[without concealment]
The Holy Spirit comes upon us for ministry and within us for character
Acts 2.1-4
2 When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And suddenly there came from heaven a noise like a violent rushing wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And there appeared to them tongues as of fire distributing themselves, and they rested on each one of them. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance.
Acts 4.23-31
[SUP]23 [/SUP]When they had been released, they went to their own companions and reported all that the chief priests and the elders had said to them. [SUP]24 [/SUP]And when they heard this, they lifted their voices to God with one accord and said, “O Lord, it is You who made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and all that is in them, [SUP]25 [/SUP]who by the Holy Spirit, through the mouth of our father David Your servant, said,
‘Why did the Gentiles rage,
And the peoples devise futile things?
[SUP]26 [/SUP]‘The kings of the earth took their stand,
And the rulers were gathered together
Against the Lord and against His Christ.’
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For truly in this city there were gathered together against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, [SUP]28 [/SUP]to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose predestined to occur. [SUP]29 [/SUP]And now, Lord, take note of their threats, and grant that Your bond-servants may speak Your word with all confidence, [SUP]30 [/SUP]while You extend Your hand to heal, and signs and wonders take place through the name of Your holy servant Jesus.” [SUP]31 [/SUP]And when they had prayed, the place where they had gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak the word of God with boldness.
Peter and John were in this passage, Right? They were filled at Pentecost, Right? And again at this location, after this prayer, right?
2 separate instances of the Holy Spirit filling people. You will notice that second filling came after they prayed for it and had been subject to physical, mental and emotional persecution....this tells me that People should pray for the Holy Spirit to fill them again and again....and to always rely on his power, not their own and certainly not once...It was not until this filling that they then spoke of the word of God with boldness[without concealment]
The Holy Spirit comes upon us for ministry and within us for character
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Are you not the same person who has been going on for at least a week trying to bully people out of believing in tongues? Are you not the same person who goes on and on scolding, demanding, belittling others about how they think they have tongues? I don't really have to prove it. I've watched it.
And I don't really have to prove it even on this thread, because you went right back to your teeth in the carotid over tongues in this thread proving, once again, your entire message is "How y'all don't have God because you think you're speaking in tongues."
Scolding, demanding, belittling isn't love. And, since you don't have your hooks into love yet, you're no teacher.
Clang, clang clang goes the gong.
Come up for air occasionally. Stop being so busy proving your point to see what others are doing on this forum. Or NOT doing. That's the only possible explanation I can give you for not knowing what I'm doing here. Especially, since this started out as a reminder to love in God, but, poof! Right back to you're to busy "teaching them" to even notice.
Actually your arrogance, haughtiness, and self-involvement told you that. I've had that on my signature for three years, (I was here before), and just now you figured out "my spirit?" Not really. I do sarcasm, but not quite as much as you think. But, do you know who thinks everyone else is always sarcastic? Someone who lives in sarcasm.
And of all people to tell me I need to own my hypocrisy? You're the one thinking the entire gospel hinges on you "teaching them" all about the gifts of the spirit, particularly noting that tongues is not one. Not the gospel I know. However, oddly enough, love is part of that gospel I know.
So, nope. No point to get to get the point.
And, once again, you're so deeply absorbed into your own "I'll teach them" that you've actually known me for three years and have absolutely no idea who I am or what I've said dozens of times on this forum. Self-absorbed is not a good trait for a teacher. But here are the things you keep missing in that state of being:
1. I have said over and over again, I'm NOT a teacher.
2. I have said over and over again I know this because I went to college to become a teacher and failed.
3. I have said over and over again that I have the training to be a teacher, but not the knowledge to teach. Nor the personality to teach.
With that background, do you really want me to do a term paper to tell you why you're no teacher either? That term paper comes complete with definition for the term ("teacher") credentials required to do it, and a long list on why you fail because you don't have the personality, knowledge, facilitating skills, or engagement skills to teach. Mostly, you are so inwardly focused, you wouldn't see a student if she did a Horshak to get your attention.
[video=youtube;-cDAqrywsHE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cDAqrywsHE[/video]
Teacher want to get students to learn. You think a good 2 X 4 will make them learn.
Good news, we have something in common. WE're no teachers!
If only that were true that you want to edify. Edify is about love, so I could listen to you if you edify. But this isn't about edifying. That is your sneaky, (and you're not good at being sneaky, which is a good thing), way of creating another post about the evils of tongues. You can only reprove when you've earned that right... that respect. And, since you are determined to "teach them" to stop with the tongues already, I can't see you ever getting that repect either from tongue-talkers.
I'm the bullying? I've pretty much let you go the whole week. I just got tired of you continuing on bullying.
And, don't worry, I really wasn't every thinking you would reason with me. This was really about making sure people get you aren't reasonable and you aren't a teacher.
My thing -- make sure the new people aren't fooled into believing your worth listening to.
Shoot. Planned to use sarcasm as an ender, but can't come up with anything. Hate to disappoint, but, oh well.
And I don't really have to prove it even on this thread, because you went right back to your teeth in the carotid over tongues in this thread proving, once again, your entire message is "How y'all don't have God because you think you're speaking in tongues."
Scolding, demanding, belittling isn't love. And, since you don't have your hooks into love yet, you're no teacher.
Clang, clang clang goes the gong.
Come up for air occasionally. Stop being so busy proving your point to see what others are doing on this forum. Or NOT doing. That's the only possible explanation I can give you for not knowing what I'm doing here. Especially, since this started out as a reminder to love in God, but, poof! Right back to you're to busy "teaching them" to even notice.
Actually your arrogance, haughtiness, and self-involvement told you that. I've had that on my signature for three years, (I was here before), and just now you figured out "my spirit?" Not really. I do sarcasm, but not quite as much as you think. But, do you know who thinks everyone else is always sarcastic? Someone who lives in sarcasm.
And of all people to tell me I need to own my hypocrisy? You're the one thinking the entire gospel hinges on you "teaching them" all about the gifts of the spirit, particularly noting that tongues is not one. Not the gospel I know. However, oddly enough, love is part of that gospel I know.
So, nope. No point to get to get the point.
And, once again, you're so deeply absorbed into your own "I'll teach them" that you've actually known me for three years and have absolutely no idea who I am or what I've said dozens of times on this forum. Self-absorbed is not a good trait for a teacher. But here are the things you keep missing in that state of being:
1. I have said over and over again, I'm NOT a teacher.
2. I have said over and over again I know this because I went to college to become a teacher and failed.
3. I have said over and over again that I have the training to be a teacher, but not the knowledge to teach. Nor the personality to teach.
With that background, do you really want me to do a term paper to tell you why you're no teacher either? That term paper comes complete with definition for the term ("teacher") credentials required to do it, and a long list on why you fail because you don't have the personality, knowledge, facilitating skills, or engagement skills to teach. Mostly, you are so inwardly focused, you wouldn't see a student if she did a Horshak to get your attention.
[video=youtube;-cDAqrywsHE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cDAqrywsHE[/video]
Teacher want to get students to learn. You think a good 2 X 4 will make them learn.
Good news, we have something in common. WE're no teachers!
If only that were true that you want to edify. Edify is about love, so I could listen to you if you edify. But this isn't about edifying. That is your sneaky, (and you're not good at being sneaky, which is a good thing), way of creating another post about the evils of tongues. You can only reprove when you've earned that right... that respect. And, since you are determined to "teach them" to stop with the tongues already, I can't see you ever getting that repect either from tongue-talkers.
I'm the bullying? I've pretty much let you go the whole week. I just got tired of you continuing on bullying.
And, don't worry, I really wasn't every thinking you would reason with me. This was really about making sure people get you aren't reasonable and you aren't a teacher.
My thing -- make sure the new people aren't fooled into believing your worth listening to.
Shoot. Planned to use sarcasm as an ender, but can't come up with anything. Hate to disappoint, but, oh well.
Or, let's make yet another thread where we draw several unproven assumptions together, state them as fact, and then use them as the basis for another thesis.
Enow, it is clear that you are a cessationist and a misogynist... er... complementarian. I just wish you were a competent biblicist and logician as well. Please go and learn what a circular argument is, and please stop using them in support of your rather narrow ecclesiology. Also, unless it is truly your intention to push your agenda rather than discuss what the Scripture actually says, try a more inclusive approach. As it is, I suspect many don't bother interacting with you, because your opening posts strongly suggest that have already made up your mind and aren't interested in learning.
Enow, it is clear that you are a cessationist and a misogynist... er... complementarian. I just wish you were a competent biblicist and logician as well. Please go and learn what a circular argument is, and please stop using them in support of your rather narrow ecclesiology. Also, unless it is truly your intention to push your agenda rather than discuss what the Scripture actually says, try a more inclusive approach. As it is, I suspect many don't bother interacting with you, because your opening posts strongly suggest that have already made up your mind and aren't interested in learning.
Follow - dioko - 1) to make to run or flee, put to flight, drive away; 2) to run swiftly in order to catch a person or thing, to run after A. to press on: figuratively of one who in a race runs swiftly to reach the goal B. to pursue (in a hostile manner); 3) in any way whatever to harass, trouble, molest one A. to persecute B. to be mistreated, suffer persecution on account of something; 4) without the idea of hostility, to run after, follow after; 5) metaph. to pursue A. to seek after eagerly, earnestly, endeavor to acquire
charity - agape - affection, good will, love, benevolence, brotherly love . . . (God is love); i.e. agape - the love of God
desire - zeloo - 1) to burn with zeal, to be heated or to boil with envy, hatred, anger, in a good sense - to be zealous in the pursuit of good; 2) to desire earnestly, pursue; to desire one earnestly, to strive after, busy one's self about him; to exert ones' self for one (that he may not be torn from me); to be the object of the zeal of others, to be zealously sought after; 3) to envy, to burn with zeal
spiritual (the word "gifts" added in italics) pneumatikos - 1) relating to the human spirit, or rational soul, as part of the man which is akin to God and serves as his instrument or organ; that which possesses the nature of the rational soul; 2) belonging to a spirit, or a being higher than man but inferior to God; belonging to the Divine Spirit, of God the Holy Spirit, one who is filled with and governed by the Spirit of God; 3) pertaining to the wind or breath; windy, exposed to the wind, blowing
1 Cor. 14:1 (paraphrased) Seek or pursue the love of God and be zealous, desire earnestly, pursue, strive after the things of God. . . . especially that you may prophesy.
v5) I would that you all spake with tongues, but especially that you prophesied: for greater is he that prophesies than he that speaks with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying. . . . So it seems that in a church meeting that one who prophecies and one who speaks in tongues and interprets both edify the church.
Jesus Christ poured out the promise of the Father (Acts 2:33) - the gift of holy spirit evidenced by speaking in tongues (Acts 2:4) - John truly baptized with water but you shall be baptized with holy spirit (Acts 1:5) - Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and you shall receive the gift of holy spirit (Acts 2:38).
Everyone receives the gift of holy spirit when they believe, repent, confess Jesus as Lord; i.e born again of the Spirit - at that time they receive the gift of holy spirit. They now have the ability to manifest that Spirit in nine different ways NOT just prophecy. Thank God for his unspeakable gift and earnestly desire to use all that God has made available to you.
charity - agape - affection, good will, love, benevolence, brotherly love . . . (God is love); i.e. agape - the love of God
desire - zeloo - 1) to burn with zeal, to be heated or to boil with envy, hatred, anger, in a good sense - to be zealous in the pursuit of good; 2) to desire earnestly, pursue; to desire one earnestly, to strive after, busy one's self about him; to exert ones' self for one (that he may not be torn from me); to be the object of the zeal of others, to be zealously sought after; 3) to envy, to burn with zeal
spiritual (the word "gifts" added in italics) pneumatikos - 1) relating to the human spirit, or rational soul, as part of the man which is akin to God and serves as his instrument or organ; that which possesses the nature of the rational soul; 2) belonging to a spirit, or a being higher than man but inferior to God; belonging to the Divine Spirit, of God the Holy Spirit, one who is filled with and governed by the Spirit of God; 3) pertaining to the wind or breath; windy, exposed to the wind, blowing
1 Cor. 14:1 (paraphrased) Seek or pursue the love of God and be zealous, desire earnestly, pursue, strive after the things of God. . . . especially that you may prophesy.
v5) I would that you all spake with tongues, but especially that you prophesied: for greater is he that prophesies than he that speaks with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying. . . . So it seems that in a church meeting that one who prophecies and one who speaks in tongues and interprets both edify the church.
Jesus Christ poured out the promise of the Father (Acts 2:33) - the gift of holy spirit evidenced by speaking in tongues (Acts 2:4) - John truly baptized with water but you shall be baptized with holy spirit (Acts 1:5) - Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and you shall receive the gift of holy spirit (Acts 2:38).
Everyone receives the gift of holy spirit when they believe, repent, confess Jesus as Lord; i.e born again of the Spirit - at that time they receive the gift of holy spirit. They now have the ability to manifest that Spirit in nine different ways NOT just prophecy. Thank God for his unspeakable gift and earnestly desire to use all that God has made available to you.
And once again, I am telling you that you took verse 2 out of context for what Paul was trying to say about the gift of prophesy as being the gift to seek if any one was being zealous for spiritual gift. From verse 1 is the topic and verse 2 onward is Paul explaining why prophesy is better by explaining why tongues is not because it is not a stand alone gift that it HAS to come with interpretation. YOU KEEP making an exception for tongues to be used without interpretation when that is YOU reading that kind of tongue into Paul's message by taking verse 2 out of context.
1 Corinthians 14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.[SUP] 2 [/SUP]For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.[SUP] 4 [/SUP]He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.[SUP] 5 [/SUP]I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
That is Paul explaining why the gift of prophesy is better because tongues has to be interpreted for the church to receive edifying.
Get this... Paul continues to talk about that same kind of tongue referenced in verse 2 below.... as to why it is not nor will it ever be a stand alone gift as he explains tongues being done in the assembly.... including how you apply verse 28 to mean tongues can be done quietly when that is not what verse 28 is saying in keeping in line with any tongue being done as in heard in the assembly.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine? 7And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped? [SUP]8 [/SUP]For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle? [SUP]9 [/SUP]So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air. [SUP]10 [/SUP]There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. [SUP]15 [/SUP]What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest? [SUP]17 [/SUP]For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
So here is Paul saying that his own understanding is unfruitful because no one has interpreted his tongue yet and so he would pray for the interpretation to pray for the understanding to be truly edified as well as those around him.
Then Paul spoke some more in preferring prophesy over tongues.... and explained why tongues is not a stand alone gift for why prophesy is better.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]18 [/SUP]I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:[SUP] 19 [/SUP]Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.[SUP]
And then to prevent anyone from taking that verse the wrong way, he explained further what God's gift of tongues are for to explain again why the gift of prophesy is better because God's gift of tongues has to come with interpretation.
1 Corinthians 14:20 [/SUP]Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
More proof ? Read on...as to why prophesy is better and when tongues is done, it is to be interpreted for edifying.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]22 [/SUP]Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. [SUP]23[/SUP]If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? [SUP]24 [/SUP]But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: [SUP]25 [/SUP]And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth. [SUP]26 [/SUP]How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
That last verse was not signifying tongues was doing all that but an example of things not being done in order & decency for the purpose of edifying. Then Paul gave instructions on the proper order of edifying one another by use of tongues.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]27 [/SUP]If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. [SUP]28 [/SUP]But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
Now when you have believers standing up, speaking one at a time with two or three to have one other to interpret that tongue, and if someone stood up and spoke but there is no interpretation, that was Paul way of saying that he is a foreigner speaking out of turn for why there is no interpretation and that is why he is to keep SILENCE because what he is saying, he understands it as God does too. Silence is not alllowing him to talk to himself and to God, but explaining how he was speaking as not manifested by the Holy Spirit because he is speaking to himself knowing what he is saying, as God understands what he is saying too, BUT he is not really speaking to himself nor to God when he is to be in silence.
That is how you are to read verse 2... because that is God's gift of tongues being manifested as the speaker does not know what he is saying, thus he does not understand it, but God does... not that he is speaking to God because this is being done in the church, as one speaking in mysteries since there are no mysteries to God. That was Paul comparing the gift of tongues against the gift of prophesy as to why it is NOT a stand alone gift that it has to come with interpretation for the edifying of the church. At no time did paul switched topic to explaining why tongues by itself is so much cooler than prophesy. That is opposing himself for why he was saying to believers to seek the gift of prophesy because tongues is not a stand alone gift as his argument has been the same throughout that chpater.
Look at the order for prophesying as to be done one at a time by two or three and let another judge it; the same format for speaking in tongues.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]29 [/SUP]Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. [SUP]30 [/SUP]If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. [SUP]31 [/SUP]For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
Paul goes on to explain what happens when someone may speak out of turn in this situation as well so that they may speak one by one so that all will learn.
Verse 28 is not about God's gift of tongues being spoken, but about when a foreigner speaks out of turn. If you really believed it was about the Holy Spirit praying in tongues, then who is Paul to give such an instruction for the Holy Spirit to be in silence? If tongues were to be used for prayer language by the Holy Spirit at all... then that would be the time for Paul to say that when tongues comes without interpretation, it is prayer time for the Holy Spirit, BUT he did not say that.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]32 [/SUP]And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. [SUP]33 [/SUP]For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
So at no tiime will the Holy Spirit be confusing by switching from speaking unto the people mode to speaking unto God mode as if speaking unto God mode has to be done in a secet language, thus not edifying to the tongue speaker at all.
And to read that chapter properly... you have to read the precedent in 1 Corinthians 12:4-11 for what any manifestations of the gifts are to do in the assembly... to profit the body withal... and there is NO PLAIN TEACHING NOR REPORTED PRACTICE of tongues as a PRAYER LANGUAGE anywhere in the New Testament WITHOUT YOU reading YOUR tongues without interpretation INTO the scripture.
1 Corinthians 12:[SUP]4 [/SUP]Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For the body is not one member, but many.
In Acts 2nd chapter God's gift of tongues was used in ministry outreach as prophesied....in the assembly, instructions are given for why tongues would be manifested as it WILL come with interpretation to profit the body withal.
Paul said it. It is plain to read. Believers rationalize it as being something done only because of culture while ignoring it as a commandment of the Lord as we continue reading.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]34[/SUP]Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.[SUP] 35 [/SUP]And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.[SUP]36 [/SUP]What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?[SUP]37 [/SUP]If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.[SUP] 38 [/SUP]But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
Now a repeat to covet the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts but not to forbid tongues when it does come as it will come with interpretation for everything to be done in decency and order.
1 Corinthians 14:.[SUP]39 [/SUP]Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.[SUP]40 [/SUP]Let all things be done decently and in order.
That means the Holy Spirit will not break God's commandment to manifest tongues in women nor the gift of prophesy in women in the assembly.
That means tongues can be forbidden when coming from a woman and when there is no interpretation, it is a foreigner speaking out of turn which is why he is made to be silent in the assembly because that is not the Holy Spirit manifesting tongues when God's gift of tongues WILL come with interpretation.
This is why believers are not to believe every spirit but test them and the tongues these spirits bring. 1 John 4:1-7
1 Corinthians 14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.[SUP] 2 [/SUP]For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.[SUP] 4 [/SUP]He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.[SUP] 5 [/SUP]I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
That is Paul explaining why the gift of prophesy is better because tongues has to be interpreted for the church to receive edifying.
Get this... Paul continues to talk about that same kind of tongue referenced in verse 2 below.... as to why it is not nor will it ever be a stand alone gift as he explains tongues being done in the assembly.... including how you apply verse 28 to mean tongues can be done quietly when that is not what verse 28 is saying in keeping in line with any tongue being done as in heard in the assembly.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine? 7And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped? [SUP]8 [/SUP]For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle? [SUP]9 [/SUP]So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air. [SUP]10 [/SUP]There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. [SUP]15 [/SUP]What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest? [SUP]17 [/SUP]For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
So here is Paul saying that his own understanding is unfruitful because no one has interpreted his tongue yet and so he would pray for the interpretation to pray for the understanding to be truly edified as well as those around him.
Then Paul spoke some more in preferring prophesy over tongues.... and explained why tongues is not a stand alone gift for why prophesy is better.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]18 [/SUP]I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:[SUP] 19 [/SUP]Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.[SUP]
And then to prevent anyone from taking that verse the wrong way, he explained further what God's gift of tongues are for to explain again why the gift of prophesy is better because God's gift of tongues has to come with interpretation.
1 Corinthians 14:20 [/SUP]Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
More proof ? Read on...as to why prophesy is better and when tongues is done, it is to be interpreted for edifying.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]22 [/SUP]Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. [SUP]23[/SUP]If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? [SUP]24 [/SUP]But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: [SUP]25 [/SUP]And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth. [SUP]26 [/SUP]How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
That last verse was not signifying tongues was doing all that but an example of things not being done in order & decency for the purpose of edifying. Then Paul gave instructions on the proper order of edifying one another by use of tongues.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]27 [/SUP]If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. [SUP]28 [/SUP]But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
Now when you have believers standing up, speaking one at a time with two or three to have one other to interpret that tongue, and if someone stood up and spoke but there is no interpretation, that was Paul way of saying that he is a foreigner speaking out of turn for why there is no interpretation and that is why he is to keep SILENCE because what he is saying, he understands it as God does too. Silence is not alllowing him to talk to himself and to God, but explaining how he was speaking as not manifested by the Holy Spirit because he is speaking to himself knowing what he is saying, as God understands what he is saying too, BUT he is not really speaking to himself nor to God when he is to be in silence.
That is how you are to read verse 2... because that is God's gift of tongues being manifested as the speaker does not know what he is saying, thus he does not understand it, but God does... not that he is speaking to God because this is being done in the church, as one speaking in mysteries since there are no mysteries to God. That was Paul comparing the gift of tongues against the gift of prophesy as to why it is NOT a stand alone gift that it has to come with interpretation for the edifying of the church. At no time did paul switched topic to explaining why tongues by itself is so much cooler than prophesy. That is opposing himself for why he was saying to believers to seek the gift of prophesy because tongues is not a stand alone gift as his argument has been the same throughout that chpater.
Look at the order for prophesying as to be done one at a time by two or three and let another judge it; the same format for speaking in tongues.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]29 [/SUP]Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. [SUP]30 [/SUP]If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. [SUP]31 [/SUP]For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
Paul goes on to explain what happens when someone may speak out of turn in this situation as well so that they may speak one by one so that all will learn.
Verse 28 is not about God's gift of tongues being spoken, but about when a foreigner speaks out of turn. If you really believed it was about the Holy Spirit praying in tongues, then who is Paul to give such an instruction for the Holy Spirit to be in silence? If tongues were to be used for prayer language by the Holy Spirit at all... then that would be the time for Paul to say that when tongues comes without interpretation, it is prayer time for the Holy Spirit, BUT he did not say that.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]32 [/SUP]And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. [SUP]33 [/SUP]For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
So at no tiime will the Holy Spirit be confusing by switching from speaking unto the people mode to speaking unto God mode as if speaking unto God mode has to be done in a secet language, thus not edifying to the tongue speaker at all.
And to read that chapter properly... you have to read the precedent in 1 Corinthians 12:4-11 for what any manifestations of the gifts are to do in the assembly... to profit the body withal... and there is NO PLAIN TEACHING NOR REPORTED PRACTICE of tongues as a PRAYER LANGUAGE anywhere in the New Testament WITHOUT YOU reading YOUR tongues without interpretation INTO the scripture.
1 Corinthians 12:[SUP]4 [/SUP]Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For the body is not one member, but many.
In Acts 2nd chapter God's gift of tongues was used in ministry outreach as prophesied....in the assembly, instructions are given for why tongues would be manifested as it WILL come with interpretation to profit the body withal.
Paul said it. It is plain to read. Believers rationalize it as being something done only because of culture while ignoring it as a commandment of the Lord as we continue reading.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]34[/SUP]Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.[SUP] 35 [/SUP]And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.[SUP]36 [/SUP]What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?[SUP]37 [/SUP]If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.[SUP] 38 [/SUP]But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
Now a repeat to covet the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts but not to forbid tongues when it does come as it will come with interpretation for everything to be done in decency and order.
1 Corinthians 14:.[SUP]39 [/SUP]Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.[SUP]40 [/SUP]Let all things be done decently and in order.
That means the Holy Spirit will not break God's commandment to manifest tongues in women nor the gift of prophesy in women in the assembly.
That means tongues can be forbidden when coming from a woman and when there is no interpretation, it is a foreigner speaking out of turn which is why he is made to be silent in the assembly because that is not the Holy Spirit manifesting tongues when God's gift of tongues WILL come with interpretation.
This is why believers are not to believe every spirit but test them and the tongues these spirits bring. 1 John 4:1-7
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I agree.... but peace is a fruit of the Spirit by way of Jesus Christ at work in our lives, but there can be no compromises with the faith in Jesus Christ nor His words for what is true and what is not true.
Galatians 5:[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Philippians 1:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:[SUP]7 [/SUP]Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace.[SUP]8 [/SUP]For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in the bowels of Jesus Christ.[SUP] 9 [/SUP]And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment;[SUP]10 [/SUP]That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ.[SUP]11 [/SUP]Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.
1 Corinthians 1:[SUP]9 [/SUP]God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.[SUP]10 [/SUP]Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
Love does require us to tell the truth even when it is unpopular, especially when it is done in keeping the faith which is the good fight.
Galatians 4:[SUP]16 [/SUP]Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
Galatians 5:[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Philippians 1:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:[SUP]7 [/SUP]Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace.[SUP]8 [/SUP]For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in the bowels of Jesus Christ.[SUP] 9 [/SUP]And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment;[SUP]10 [/SUP]That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ.[SUP]11 [/SUP]Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.
1 Corinthians 1:[SUP]9 [/SUP]God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.[SUP]10 [/SUP]Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
Love does require us to tell the truth even when it is unpopular, especially when it is done in keeping the faith which is the good fight.
Galatians 4:[SUP]16 [/SUP]Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
Those that defend tongues without interpretation continue to defend their exclusivity and division from the body of Christ. There is no unity when tongues are done without interpretation in the assembly.
There is no separation from other tongue speakers in the world that do not believe in Jesus Christ. There is more unity with those non-christian tongue speakers than it is with non tongue speaking christians.... and tongue speakers see it not.
Do as Paul says... seek the gift of prophesy out of love for edifying the body of Christ.
There is no separation from other tongue speakers in the world that do not believe in Jesus Christ. There is more unity with those non-christian tongue speakers than it is with non tongue speaking christians.... and tongue speakers see it not.
Do as Paul says... seek the gift of prophesy out of love for edifying the body of Christ.