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I don't understand why you seem to be concerned with my salvation when you believe it's done & finished?

Aaagain, are you also preaching to a saved choir?

I don't understand why you guys make a big deal with us, because we're going according to your terms.;)
hmm...I THOUGHT I was agreeing with your post...but it seems you didn't think so...;)
 
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Some of the approaches remind me of the assassins. The sneak up and appear all innocent
and with a sharp very thin bladed knife kill you.



It is always about the delivery and the reason.
For a believer it is to say they do not know the Lord and all their experiences are evil.

So a discussion can go, we are brothers and sisters in Christ, but because you believe
this idea, you are the enemy.

It has nothing to do with reconciliation or love, just an attempt at a spiritual death blow.
It is something I do not expect from believers, but then wolves in sheeps clothing, is a
different matter, who do not actually care about their impact, because in their eyes all
they want to do is destroy and overthrow the enemy.

But when you see things from their perspective, it makes sense in a weird way, but it is
not christian or loving. But driven people use the weapons they have to hand, and group
acceptance was the key to their life, which they lost, to then be taken up again with
another group, lol. So no real change there then.
 
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I'm serious EG

You're a little mixed up. Really.

Listen... You're saying above what you accuse ME of...

You said that we're supposed to let God's light reflect off us so the WORLD COULD SEE IT.
You're Always saying that some do works the world could see and inside they rot, or something like that.

Didn't you just say the same thing??

You're wrong you know.

We ARE supposed to walk TOWARD THE LIGHT. HEAD TO THE LIGHT.

If you're not, it means you're going in the other direction... and that's the DARK.

See. We're right on topic. Depleted will be happy.

I guess I've misunderstood again... maybe, but I doubt it...

No Fran, Sadly your the one mixed up.

I do not know if it is because you just like to argue and see who will bite when you attack them

I do not know if it is because you seriously have comprehension issues

Or if you really believe what you keep saying.

Again, Our issue is a context issue, But you can not see that, So you will continue to do what you do..If you would look at the context of things DC, Myself, Sevensees, and many others are talking in, You would not be so confused, In fact, a light may just go on.

I degress, I must beg the ops forgiveness, I did it again..
 
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hmm...I THOUGHT I was agreeing with your post...but it seems you didn't think so...;)

Thats what happens when all you do is look to attack people. When someone actually agrees with you you miss it..
 
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Amen.

Some here do SEE THE LIGHT!!
Yes, and that's where self examination comes in. Once He has shone the light on our hypocrisies, we see that we are pretty helpless and quite sneaky and that we always seem to tip the scales in our own favor and against the favor of others. What can you do at that point but say: it is useless - I'm not good and I'm sneaky about hiding that fact from everyone AND even from myself...! "Because I CAN"T be good and there is something in me that needs to die so I can live. It's at that point that we have given up and realized what a farce we are and tell Him if we're going to be pure of heart it's going to have to be done by Him. THAT is the point at which we are walking in the light/truth! And He comes pretty quickly with His own strength then. And we truly experience the verse that says when I am weak I am strong!
 
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I liked the picture so much, it just seemed to fit the shocking nature of some comments,
you got to laugh.

If maybe you did not know, laughter is linked to shock and unexpected statements.
When they are too absurd, the miss-match makes us laugh.

So for instance EG saying Fran does not know what salvation and the gospel is, is
a joke at any level. You have to have something wrong to say this, let alone think
it is just hillarious. It is so pompous, superior, judgemental, hypocritical, almost
meaningless and without foundation.

It is the cartoon character who believes so strongly they know who is and who is
not acceptable, it is just like the legalists at the door of the church tutting at the
wrong dress code, but a different version, with the wrong word order, or wrong
set of ideas. You will hear cart before the horse analogies, or some long convoluted
explanation how because of this, they are right and the other side are wrong.

And when you want facts, there are only these emotional subtleties, nuances that
come out. But you have to be a believer to actually understand them.

It is like an in joke, it only works on those on the inside.

A telltale is how many times a sermon says "those people say" but we say, as a
contrast. It is a kind of approval idea, think like this and not that, or you will be
rejected from the group. Talk about brainwashing 101, but it leads to this non-discussion
and just flow of feeling.

It is how you kill critical thinking, which is a part of walking in Christ.
Jesus was surprised at the pharisees and their approaches. He realised that
their hypocracy permeated their whole teaching and lives, so the words could be
right, most of the time, but everything got distorted into a failed worldly system
of conventions and no love or emotional reality.
 
Aug 15, 2009
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Yeah, sorry 'bout this, guys, but I'm going to have this thread locked.

I can lead the horses to water, but frankly way too many giraffes in the herd. And, I'm really not all that sure the horses are drinking.

(On the good side, since it takes so long for a mod to get to this, you're free to continue to argue until it is locked.)
Sorry, Depleated,I can't stay that long..... I'll have to shower a few times & shave, too:p
 
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It's not up to Grace to decide what's on the inside.

Anyway, he never says this.

He says that works are not necessary and that we're saved only by faith.
I'm saying we're saved by faith...
and KEPT SAVED by works..
which is what the bible teaches.

We are to ADHERE to the sanctification process till the end of our lives to be saved until the end.
I didn't make this up, every mainline Church knows this.

If Grace agrees, he should just agree and not write pages negating what I say.

This means HE DOES NOT AGREE that works ARE NECESSARY.
Which contradicts what Jesus said.
Mathew 5:17
Hmm...I've never heard it phrased quite that way - that we are saved by trust in Him but then kept saved by works...
I don't believe that. I believe I'm kept saved by continuing and abiding in that same trust(faith) that I began with.
I've seen what's in me. I have something in me that seems to muck up anything good I try to do. A little pride creeps in, a little bit of a desire to be thought well of creeps in. I can't keep the things I do with pure motives. There's always just a bit of self-seeking. Or I really do intend something from a good motive of love for someone but then someone makes me angry or hurts my feelings and my inner anger mucks it up. I can't do good works because of all that. So I look to Him to change me and make me pure in heart.
 
Feb 24, 2015
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Our issue is a context issue
Darkness.

Words have real meaning. Imagine every word someone says I say, are they good or
bad people. If good I listen, if not I switch off.

So one is scared of the way ideas come across, how things appear, what it feels like,
and truth is irrelevant. Loyalty is to the cause.

Now walking in the light is seeing it all and understanding it as far as is necessary.
In Christ, he brings the truth of love and nature of sin and distortions into proper
focus so nothing is a problem anymore.

If we walk in the light, and look at everything deception cannot creep in.
But if we walk in darkness, and close down Gods word into context and lenses,
then the darkness will be extensive.
 
Jan 25, 2015
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Lets talk about the narrow gate.

99.9 percent of the worlds religions (including many of those who call themselves christian) believe the way to God is through good works.

that leave 0.1 percent of the world which believes in salvation by faith alone based on the work of Christ alone.

So who is entering the narrow gate?

You do not need to exegete all verses, Just look at them and look at reality
I can only discuss South African churches because that is what I know, but from what I witnessed in South Africa the churches declaring only grace is 99,9% (I am talking about Christian churches). This is the "free for all churches".

From what I see of American churches on TV they are all grace churches (might only be my perception).
 
Aug 15, 2009
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Our obedience to these Kingdom laws is faith. We apply them by faith.

Thats just an example of the law of faith. There are other laws and I need the time to pursue and study.
ALL obedience requires works. Faith in & of itself is NOT obedience, but requires obedience to be manifested in our lives. (Faith without works is dead)

Stephen,

I would like to pm you a bit later is that is ok with you? Will check later too.
Taaaay.
 
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The context of Hebrews 10 is Hebrew Christians wanting to forsake the assembling together in church capacity and go back to the old way, under the old covenant....they were forsaking the assembly and in so doing were counting the blood of Jesus a common ordinary base thing while trampling under foot the Son of God....The Pharisees were called blind leaders of the blind and they encompassed land and sea to make one convert and in so doing would make a man 2 fold the child of hell....their gospel and view were false and in error bro....Love and truth go hand in hand.....one can be as sincere as they can be and still blind and or lost at the end of the day..

DEPLETED is this ACCEPTABLE under your guidelines?

The whole book of Hebrews in my view is addressing the Jews converted to Christianity but we can see in Hebrews 10 that the writer is past that issue. He is addressing Jesus the perfect sacrifice for sin. If we read some people's comments on these forum we can sin no more because there are no more guidelines for sin. That is actually why I quoted this verse. To quote one verse without reading it in context can open a can of worms :)
 
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Thats what happens when all you do is look to attack people. When someone actually agrees with you you miss it..
Never misses a beat, does he?

He claims that once saved, we're saved. Nothing can change.

So, every time he takes pot-shots at the others, he's doing this to other christians & he knows we are saved.

Why then is he tearing down the brethren?

What could be his motives for doing this?

Everyone knows I'm not the only one he does like this.


Matthew 12:30
New International Version
"Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.

New Living Translation
"Anyone who isn't with me opposes me, and anyone who isn't working with me is actually working against me.

English Standard Version
Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.

Berean Literal Bible
The one not being with Me is against Me, and the one not gathering with Me scatters.

New American Standard Bible
"He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me scatters.
 
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Never misses a beat, does he?

He claims that once saved, we're saved. Nothing can change.
This farce reminds me of the black night sketch in Monty Python



The emotional desire is there even though everything else has been defeated and
shown to be false and empty. Until they actually are dead it is all just a theory
that they are clinging on to as if that defines things in the Kingdom of heaven.
 
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This farce reminds me of the black night sketch in Monty Python



The emotional desire is there even though everything else has been defeated and
shown to be false and empty. Until they actually are dead it is all just a theory
that they are clinging on to as if that defines things in the Kingdom of heaven.
Delusion does that.
 
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No Fran, Sadly your the one mixed up.

I do not know if it is because you just like to argue and see who will bite when you attack them

I do not know if it is because you seriously have comprehension issues

Or if you really believe what you keep saying.

Again, Our issue is a context issue, But you can not see that, So you will continue to do what you do..If you would look at the context of things DC, Myself, Sevensees, and many others are talking in, You would not be so confused, In fact, a light may just go on.

I degress, I must beg the ops forgiveness, I did it again..
No. I don't believe what I keep saying.
I just make believe so I could argue with you.

Listen, as long as some here keep saying they don't have to do any works TO KEEP saved,

I'll be here to say the opposite.

Doesn't mean I don't like you.
 
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This is what happens if you listen to the toxic waste they produce

 
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I can only discuss South African churches because that is what I know, but from what I witnessed in South Africa the churches declaring only grace is 99,9% (I am talking about Christian churches). This is the "free for all churches".

From what I see of American churches on TV they are all grace churches (might only be my perception).
Grace only brings people into a Church. It makes it prosper.
Those that teach this will be accountable to God.

God is the same. He never changes.
I've posted so much scripture on this, I'm all scriptured out for today.

I'm just happy that some know the truth and hold on to it and will tell it to Others.