Sabbath

[gotime]

Here is a quick repeat and rundown of the facts.


Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

First God said and wrote that the Sabbath day is to be remembered and kept holy. Note it says a day and it does not say make it holy because it already is holy.

How do we keep it:


Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:


Work for six days like God did in the beginning. and then don't work on the Sabbath. by the way notice its Gods Sabbath. And its for everyone even the Gentile/stranger.

One might ask, Why God? Well we don't need to guess because its the only one of the 10 that gives its own reason for being given.



Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Because God made the heavens and earth in six days, Notice a past finished work. and then he rested on the Seventh day and blessed it and made it holy. also a past finished work.

We can verify this by Gods word.

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Again the same testimony. God did indeed bless a day and set a day apart as Holy in regards to an already finished work. It clearly does not point forward.

That these are linked can not be denied. One just has to read it as it states.

no hint of a shadow. in fact no connection to Jesus as Messiah at all. Rather a direct connection to Jesus as creator. In fact once you get that you are in for a treat when it comes to salvation. There is a reason God added other Sabbaths after sin connected to sacrificial feasts, because Gods creative power is instrumental to his saving power.

Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
Psa 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
Psa 51:12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.
Psa 51:13 Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.

 

[garee]

Here is a quick repeat and rundown of the facts.


Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

First God said and wrote that the Sabbath day is to be remembered and kept holy. Note it says a day and it does not say make it holy because it already is holy.

Sabbath is a non time sensitive word.... it means rest and never week.... a mistranslation.

The rest we enter is by faith (not by a work we could do)It is in respect to the finshed work of Christ's faith as a labor of His love. It was performed on the seventh day and will not be realized until we receive our new bodies

How do we keep it:


Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Work for six days like God did in the beginning. and then don't work on the Sabbath. by the way notice its Gods Sabbath. And its for everyone even the Gentile/stranger.

One might ask, Why God? Well we don't need to guess because its the only one of the 10 that gives its own reason for being given.

First and foremost no man can "keep" (to guard closely, a word that is mis-used) without stumbling even after the least of any commandment. They will be found guilty of the whole eternal wage of sin. Death,and not suspended animation that must be worked out at purgatory.. but real death is never to arise to new spirit life forever and ever

It actually gives us two different parables using different reasoning in that ceremonial law (not a moral law)

Deu 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.


He does not offer different parables with different reasons when it comes to "moral laws" I would suggest he knew men would try and use it as a works rightousness of their own, as a sign the had the Holy Spirit and is why he gives us two witnesses with different reasons.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

 

[Grandpa]

Originally Posted by Grandpa

4. What does it mean to be "Under the Law"?

It means to look at any portion of the law and try to work at it in your own strength and understanding. Attempting to fulfill it by carnal means, aka flesh.

Where in the bible do we get the definition you have given here? I ask because I have never seen it. You have said this even to me many times and as Yet I have not seen this in the bible itself. Could you provide sound bible based evidence that the term "under the law" means this as you have said?.

Is this some sort of SDA trick question?

If you look to the law and try to fulfill it by your own understanding and strength you have placed yourself under the law. You have become a worker of the law and are under the curse of it.

Galatians 3:10-12
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Its abundantly obvious that "those who are of the works of the law" are under the law.

5. Where in the bible does it say that Jesus is our Sabbath?

Matthew 11:28Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

That's the Lord Jesus speaking.

Indeed it is the Lord Speaking, But He has said nothing about the Sabbath day here. I assume you are trying to connect this because it uses the word Rest. But it does not say Sabbath day rather it is a different word altogether. So how is it that you use this when it says nothing about the 7th day Sabbath not even a hint?

Let's go back to Genesis 2 and see what it says.

Genesis 2:2-3
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

If you are still under the law then you must focus on YOUR work.

If you have been redeemed from the law then you KNOW the REST you have been given by the Lord Jesus Christ and you understand that your focus was incorrect before coming to Christ.


Sabbath means Rest. The Law was given precisely because the people rejected Gods Grace and Provision. So then, because of their rejection, they were required to work at what God wanted to freely give. So that the whole world would see that they couldn't do the things God Required.

So God Provided a new, better way, that He had planned from the foundation of the world. People working at the law was not Gods Final Plan.

Hebrews 4:4-10

4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.


First, did you read Hebrews 4? Second, how do you think you enter into His Rest? Do you think its by your work at the law?

Galatians 3:2-3

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Nope. Its not by your work at the law, aka flesh, aka carnality.

Its by coming to Christ by faith. See Matthew 11:28

 

[LoveGodForever]

Is this some sort of SDA trick question?

If you look to the law and try to fulfill it by your own understanding and strength you have placed yourself under the law. You have become a worker of the law and are under the curse of it. Its by coming to Christ by faith. See Matthew 11:28

Oh my goodness Grandpa, how sad. You completely shut your eyes to God's Word and ignore the posts in 1712 and 1713 and all the other posts with scriptures from God's Word that other people have sent to you, just to hold on to the teachings of men. If you want to do that it is up to you. I don't think anyone can say anything further to you as you believe you see and know all. Please keep in remembrance though, you have not been able to answer questions sent to you from God's Word and there is many scriptures that seem to conflict with your current interpretation of scripture. This should indeed be a warning sign to you. So please work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Remember the Words of Jesus....

"And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world." "He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:47-48)

May God help you.

 

[gotime]

Is this some sort of SDA trick question?

If you look to the law and try to fulfill it by your own understanding and strength you have placed yourself under the law. You have become a worker of the law and are under the curse of it.

Galatians 3:10-12
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Its abundantly obvious that "those who are of the works of the law" are under the law.


Let's go back to Genesis 2 and see what it says.

Genesis 2:2-3
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

If you are still under the law then you must focus on YOUR work.

If you have been redeemed from the law then you KNOW the REST you have been given by the Lord Jesus Christ and you understand that your focus was incorrect before coming to Christ.


Sabbath means Rest. The Law was given precisely because the people rejected Gods Grace and Provision. So then, because of their rejection, they were required to work at what God wanted to freely give. So that the whole world would see that they couldn't do the things God Required.

So God Provided a new, better way, that He had planned from the foundation of the world. People working at the law was not Gods Final Plan.

Hebrews 4:4-10

4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.


First, did you read Hebrews 4? Second, how do you think you enter into His Rest? Do you think its by your work at the law?

Galatians 3:2-3

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Nope. Its not by your work at the law, aka flesh, aka carnality.

Its by coming to Christ by faith. See Matthew 11:28

I have posted many scriptures to support my point. So I wont post them again here.

I think you miss our position. Faith does not eliminate reality.

Faith does not make it ok to steal as I am sure you would agree. In fact faith is what transforms a thief into a honest person who respects other peoples rights.

Likewise Faith does not change the fact that Jesus blessed and set aside the 7th day as Holy at creation a finished work before sin was a problem in our world.

I ma going to call your reasoning out for your own good.

You said: "If you look to the law and try to fulfill it by your own understanding and strength you have placed yourself under the law. You have become a worker of the law and are under the curse of it."

Wrong, I never said I do that and you can't prove I do that. It is conjecture only. I don't look to the law to fulfil it I look to Jesus to fulfil it in me. Very big difference.

When you say that I do you begin to argue against an argument that no one is making. that is called a straw man argument.

I don't try to obey the law in my own strength, I trust Jesus to transform me by His Grace so that what I could not do I can now do for it is God who works in my both to will and to do his good pleasure.

The law shows sin by that which is good as Paul said. Sin is missing the mark the law is the mark. We are all sinners and thus need Jesus. That is why the law leads us to Christ. It shows us our need of salvation.

The difference is you seem to think salvation involves changing the law. No it involves changing us. The law did not need saving we do.

The law is holy just and right it is spiritual. There is nothing wrong with the law, I speak of the 10 commandments. We need new hearts we need changing.

This happens by faith.

Its simple.

I saw the law and saw my sin. I soon realised that as much as I tried I could not keep the law because sin was in me and the law of sin ruled me so that I could not keep the law of God. Thus I saw my wretchedness and need of saving. thus the law led me to seek a saviour someone who could save me from the sin that held me and manifested itself in disobedience to Gods law. Then I found Jesus, one who took my place and died for me. He forgave me my sin/lawbreaking and then promised me that He would take my problem away/sinning. So I put my faith/trust in His death and forgiveness and placed my faith/trust in his promise to give me a heart with His law written on it.

Then everything changed, the more I looked to Jesus and trusted in his promise the more My life reflected his ways. the law that condemned me and lead me to Christ now bore witness that something miraculous had occurred. I no longer was trapped by the law of sin and thus by His Spirit freed to not just will but actually do his good pleasure. The law was no longer a burden it was no longer an impossible goal but a wonderful reality. Now when I read the law I see Jesus keeping his promise to make us into his image. When I read the law I proclaim He has conquered sin and death. When I read the law I see Jesus working in me.

This is not works this is true faith which brings fourth fruit unto life. The Jews did not fail because or the law. No they failed because of the way they tried to attain obedience. They tried to work their way to it. But God desired that they saw in it precious promises of humanity restored to a harmonious life with God and his image imprinted on their hearts.

You can't honestly read that and call it works or denying Christ. Its whole premise is Christ our righteousness.

 

[JaumeJ]

Does anyone else see just how futile this thread is become?

Those who follow that the Sabbath of God is on the Seventh Day are not lying, there is plenty of scripture supporting this. More importantly, the Holy Spirit witnesses to this truth.

There is no scripture moving the Sabbath of the Lord from the seenth day to the first day; any saying to the contrary have a vivid imagination or he is simply lying.

Paul teaches it is superfluous to chide a brother for observing one day over another if it is done with a clear conscience in the sight of God. This too is witnessed by scripture and the Holy Spirit, so let us not chide those who have changed it without permission, and let both sides of the vanity recall the only thng important to all who believe is

Jesus Christ crucified for our sins.

Go ahead, find something else to be contentious about, but it is the Blood of the Lamb only where the power of our being lies.

God bless all in Jesus Christ and all who will come to Him, amen.

 

[Grandpa]

Oh my goodness Grandpa, how sad. You completely shut your eyes to God's Word and ignore the posts in 1712 and 1713 and all the other posts with scriptures from God's Word that other people have sent to you, just to hold on to the teachings of men. If you want to do that it is up to you. I don't think anyone can say anything further to you as you believe you see and know all. Please keep in remembrance though, you have not been able to answer questions sent to you from God's Word and there is many scriptures that seem to conflict with your current interpretation of scripture. This should indeed be a warning sign to you. So please work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Remember the Words of Jesus....

"And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world." "He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:47-48)

May God help you.

I answered your questions.

You didn't understand or just flat out refused scripture.

See Matthew 11:28 and Hebrews 4.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Does anyone else see just how futile this thread is become?

Those who follow that the Sabbath of God is on the Seventh Day are not lying, there is plenty of scripture supporting this. More importantly, the Holy Spirit witnesses to this truth.
There is no scripture moving the Sabbath of the Lord from the seenth day to the first day; any saying to the contrary have a vivid imagination or he is simply lying.
Paul teaches it is superfluous to chide a brother for observing one day over another if it is done with a clear conscience in the sight of God. This too is witnessed by scripture and the Holy Spirit, so let us not chide those who have changed it without permission, and let both sides of the vanity recall the only thng important to all who believe is
Jesus Christ crucified for our sins.
Go ahead, find something else to be contentious about, but it is the Blood of the Lamb only where the power of our being lies.
God bless all in Jesus Christ and all who will come to Him, amen.

Hi JamesJ,

I think it is actually more than what you may think. The Law of God is the foundation of both the Old and New Covenants. We know that if we knowingly transgress God's Law or break any of God's commandments God's Word tells us plainly that this is sin as sin is the transgression of God's Law (1John 3:4). From Genesis to Revelations the Judgements of God have only ever come to mankind because of sin. This is the issue. We break keep 9 commandments and break one of God's commandments we are guilty before God of sinning (James 2:10). If we do not turn to God and repent of our sins (known) His Word says the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23).

Firstly let me clarify something. Do I believe I am saved by my works? Absolutely not! Salvation only come to us as we have complete faith and dependence on the Word of God to do what it says it will do. It is completely a gift from God by faith in His Word. Salvation is by faith in Christ alone because there is nothing that we can do as sinners in our own strength to save ourselves it is completely a gift from God. (Matt 9:13; Isa 64:6). There is a Gospel given according to the Word of God and there is also a counterfeit to this Gospel (Matt 24:24; 2Pet 2:1; Acts 20:29).

So what is the counterfeit Gospel?

It is a message that tries to separate Gods forever Law (the 10 commandments Ex 20:1-18) from faith in Christ for salvation.

Why is God's Law important to helping someone to have faith in Christ alone?

Because it is only through the Law of God (10 commandments) that any of us have a knowledge of what sin is (1John 3:4; Rom 3:20; 24). If we do away with God's Law we have no knowledge of sin. If we have no knowledge of sin we have no need of a savior. If we have no need of a savior we have no salvation. If we have no salvation we are lost. "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law." (Rom 2:12).

God's Law shows us that we are sinners in need of a savior. God's Law was given to us that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God (Rom 3:19). It shows us that we are sinners and cannot save ourselves from this disease that we have within us so that we can by Faith lay hold of the promises of God's Words so that Jesus can save us from our sins. Jesus did not come to save the righteous (those that think they do not need saving) but sinners (those that know their need of saving) (Matt 9:12-13; Mark 2:17; Luke 5:32) God's Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ. It will be the basis of the judgement where we will all be accountable to God.

The Law of God is the only way of showing us who we truly are, sinners in need of a Savior and in this condition we can see for the first time Him who loved us and washed us in His own blood and by faith only lay hold of the promises of Gods Word. (2Pet 1:4) It is here as we believe God, that he changes us from living a life of breaking God's Law to a life of walking with him. It is through the operation of God through Love because he first loved us that we follow Jesus not for salvation but because of love. Love is the fulfilling of God's Law in us who walk not after the flesh (carnal sinful mind) but after the spirit and why Jesus says to his followers, "If you love me keep the commandments" (John 14:15).

People cannot see that this is the operation of God in the believer and assume God's people believe they are saved by their works, when in fact Jesus is saving us from our sins to walk in newness of life in fulfillment of His new Covenant promise (Heb 8:10-12)...... Gods Sheep hear His Voice salvation is from sin and sin is the transgression of God's Law (1John 3:4) whosoever is living in sin has neither seen him nor known him (1John 3:6)

The 7th Day Sabbath is one of the commandments in God's Law that has been replaced by man made traditions Sunday worship. If we knowingly break this commandment we break God's Law and this is sin. Jesus says we transgress God's Law if we keep the traditions of man over the Word of God (Matt 15:3)

God bless you.

 

[Grandpa]

I have posted many scriptures to support my point. So I wont post them again here.

I think you miss our position. Faith does not eliminate reality.

Faith does not make it ok to steal as I am sure you would agree. In fact faith is what transforms a thief into a honest person who respects other peoples rights.

Likewise Faith does not change the fact that Jesus blessed and set aside the 7th day as Holy at creation a finished work before sin was a problem in our world.

I ma going to call your reasoning out for your own good.

You said: "If you look to the law and try to fulfill it by your own understanding and strength you have placed yourself under the law. You have become a worker of the law and are under the curse of it."

Wrong, I never said I do that and you can't prove I do that. It is conjecture only. I don't look to the law to fulfil it I look to Jesus to fulfil it in me. Very big difference.

I can't prove that? See post 1721.

You don't have to say it. You do it. You don't have to agree specifically that you do it, you teach it.


I was really just defining what being under the law was. That's why the sentence started out with if. I wasn't making a statement at that time accusing you of being under the law.

However, you can't separate your work at the law from being under the law. When "a person" looks to the law to justify what they do, they have placed theirself under the law.


So, obviously you agree with my definition of being under the law and now you just wish to deny the fact that you actually are under the law.

It takes a lot of twisting and imagination to continue to stay under the law and still profess Christ. I realize how emotionally charged it must be for you. I don't expect you or any other SDA's to really understand the scriptures I post. At first, I thought the scriptures would make you see. But the bible itself says that it doesn't happen that way. I still thought the scripture along with my explanations would cause you to wonder about the Liberty that is in Christ. To at least wonder about not being under the law.

But now, it is starting to become like the black knight in Monty Pythons Quest for the Holy Grail. I say you have placed yourself under the law. Then you say No I'm not. Then I show the scripture you use from the law to justify your work. Then you say you work at the law by faith. Then I show you that working at the law is not of faith. Then we go back around in the same circle.

Galatians 5:1 [FONT=&quot]Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

[/FONT]Paul never would have wrote that if any of your philosophy were true.

Instead, he would have changed the scripture, as you attempt to do, to make it say 'Stand fast in Christ who will help you to work at your carnal understanding of what you think the law says'.

 

[garee]

5. Where in the bible does it say that Jesus is our Sabbath?

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Thats the Lord Jesus speaking.

The very next verse that is missing from your scripture says how we get this rest. "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. The rest that we find here is from learning of Jesus, following him and obeying him (Mat 11:29). This scripture does not say that Jesus is our Sabbath.

Hi LoveGodForever

The verse offered in Mathew 11:28 answered your question.. It would seem you have another agenda to try and make?

If you not think Jesus like Jehovah another name used to represent Christ as our savior is whom we do rest in. Then who do you rest in?

The following verse you offered is not a new subject matter it is a continuation of the loving commandment which is not just a good suggestion but a drawing of the Father. “Come unto me”…the person we do rest in. In that continuation Christ instructs us how we can rest in Him by faith … Take my Yoke

Again who is your Sabbath seeing you are saying it must be another other than Christ, Jesus who finished the work?

Today in so much that today is anytime you hear his voice and do not harden your own heart. Who is it that gives you that rest that works in us to both will and do His good pleasure?

Perhaps you are not mixing faith in what you do hear?

What would you say mixing faith in what we hear or see means? Whose faith?

Mixing the faith (belief) of Christ, the faith of God, as the things of God, or a faith coming from the imagination of ones own heart as those things of men. Remember no man can serve two masters.


Anytime under the sun we do not harden our hearts and do the will of God we have entered our Sabbath rest.


Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. Heb 4:1-7

 

[JaumeJ]

My last post was not intended to further this thread.
As I have posted many times before as pertaining to the law of God.......

First a believer must study the Word pertaining to His laws.

Then a believer must hear and learn from Jesus Chrsit just how the law is to be delt with under grace...no one seems to grasp this.

Like God's founding of the Seventh Day, so is Jesus Christ¡'s elaboration and clarification on the law. He, Himself, has taught us the law is not abolished and no one is to teach against any of the laws, yet, He has shown how with faith, mercy and justice we may understand the law more perfectly, because if we do not apply this principles the law brings only death.

No where does Jesus christ teach the law is no more, but He dows shine His light on understandign. So many here would rather learn from anyone else than Jesus, and what Jesus teaches is good,clean, and a much easier yoke than that of the hypocrites, even that of those actually called to preach.

Never teach how the law is to be understood without knowing what Jesus Christ teaches on the subject or you are putting man's words in God's moouth, impossible.

God bless all in Jesus Christ. now and forever, amen.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Hi LoveGodForever
The verse offered in Mathew 11:28 answered your question.. It would seem you have another agenda to try and make?

If you not think Jesus like Jehovah another name used to represent Christ as our savior is whom we do rest in. Then who do you rest in?

The following verse you offered is not a new subject matter it is a continuation of the loving commandment which is not just a good suggestion but a drawing of the Father. “Come unto me”…the person we do rest in. In that continuation Christ instructs us how we can rest in Him by faith … Take my Yoke

Again who is your Sabbath seeing you are saying it must be another other than Christ, Jesus who finished the work?

Today in so much that today is anytime you hear his voice and do not harden your own heart. Who is it that gives you that rest that works in us to both will and do His good pleasure?

Perhaps you are not mixing faith in what you do hear?

What would you say mixing faith in what we hear or see means? Whose faith?

Mixing the faith (belief) of Christ, the faith of God, as the things of God, or a faith coming from the imagination of ones own heart as those things of men. Remember no man can serve two masters

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. Heb 4:1-7

Hi garee,

The questions was to show a bible text that says that Jesus is our Sabbath? There is not one verse that says this.

Mathew 11:28 does not say that Jesus is our Sabbath. It also does not say the 7th day Sabbath is done away with. There is no scripture in God's Word that says this whatsoever.

Heb 4:1-7 Also does not say the Jesus is our Sabbath. This is only talking about how God's people because of unbelief and disobedience did not enter into God's 7th Day Sabbath rest and is a warning for us today if we continue in disobedience (sin).

So no my friend as mentioned earlier there is not one verse in the entire Word of God that says that Jesus is our Sabbath. The only reference and context to the Sabbath is in God's Law (Ex 20:8-11) being the 7th day Sabbath commandment the 7th Day of the week of creation. That God rested on, set aside, made a holy, and commanded His people to keep.

Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath day and he made it for us (the Lords Day Mark 2:27-28), Jesus kept this day and he is our example. It is a commandment of God and if we knowingly break it we commit sin. Do you love Jesus garee?

God bless

 

[LoveGodForever]

Please show me a bible verse that says;


Jesus is our Sabbath?

That says the Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?


God bless and good night.

 

[Grandpa]

My last post was not intended to further this thread.
As I have posted many times before as pertaining to the law of God.......

First a believer must study the Word pertaining to His laws.

Then a believer must hear and learn from Jesus Chrsit just how the law is to be delt with under grace...no one seems to grasp this.

Like God's founding of the Seventh Day, so is Jesus Christ¡'s elaboration and clarification on the law. He, Himself, has taught us the law is not abolished and no one is to teach against any of the laws, yet, He has shown how with faith, mercy and justice we may understand the law more perfectly, because if we do not apply this principles the law brings only death.

No where does Jesus christ teach the law is no more, but He dows shine His light on understandign. So many here would rather learn from anyone else than Jesus, and what Jesus teaches is good,clean, and a much easier yoke than that of the hypocrites, even that of those actually called to preach.

Never teach how the law is to be understood without knowing what Jesus Christ teaches on the subject or you are putting man's words in God's moouth, impossible.

God bless all in Jesus Christ. now and forever, amen.

A hypocrite tells you that you are obligated to do something that they themselves do not do.

Not only do they not do it, but they have no ability to do it and they definitely can't help someone else do it.

Does it sound familiar?

Everyone who preaches, or implies, that you must work at some aspect of the law, especially in order to be Christian, is a hypocrite. Because they cannot do what they preach or imply. They have to do what all Christians do. And that is abide in Christ.

John 15:5 [FONT=&quot]I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

[/FONT]Does it even make any sense that your carnal work at the law, your fleshly understanding, could ever fulfill a spiritual law???


Galatians 3:2-3
[FONT=&quot]2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?


The most frustrating part about all of this is the Judaizers attempt to blend Christianity with their work at the law. This is their whole mind-set and yet they will deny it. I don't understand why you would deny something you proclaim.

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.[/FONT]

 

[garee]

My last post was not intended to further this thread.
As I have posted many times before as pertaining to the law of God.......

First a believer must study the Word pertaining to His laws.

Then a believer must hear and learn from Jesus Chrsit just how the law is to be delt with under grace...no one seems to grasp this.

Like God's founding of the Seventh Day, so is Jesus Christ¡'s elaboration and clarification on the law. He, Himself, has taught us the law is not abolished and no one is to teach against any of the laws, yet, He has shown how with faith, mercy and justice we may understand the law more perfectly, because if we do not apply this principles the law brings only death.

No where does Jesus christ teach the law is no more, but He dows shine His light on understandign. So many here would rather learn from anyone else than Jesus, and what Jesus teaches is good,clean, and a much easier yoke than that of the hypocrites, even that of those actually called to preach.

Never teach how the law is to be understood without knowing what Jesus Christ teaches on the subject or you are putting man's words in God's moouth, impossible.

God bless all in Jesus Christ. now and forever, amen.

Thanks for that .

It’s when men try and divide the law of God as the traditions of God from the same perfect law of God that many are led to their conclusions. In that way ,what God has joined together let no man call seperate. The one who does call seperate would be the antichrist it his motive of operation calling that seperate which God calls togther and the father of lies calls that together in which God calls seperate . The upside down god of this world

It is how the law of men as commandments or traditions of men came about,making the law of God in respect to His traditions to no effect

The Law of Moses is the law of God. The words of God that he puts on the lips of men are law. Some pit the law of God against the law, like James pitied against Paul The whole bible is the perfect law of God.(no theories)His word is law.

It is though the written law the letter that kills that we can understand the law of faith that saves in respect to the faith of Christ, the faith of God . He alone is the author and finisher.

By and through His perfect or complete law which is not lacking the authority to work in us.. it does the work of converting our soul. His testimony is sure freely giving us simply ones His (not seen) understanding (the faith law).

The prescriptions as scripture of the LORD are true, the water of the word softening the heart, enlightening the eyes of our new born again hearts. By the perfect law He warns His children, in guarding his commandment with all our new heart soul and mind there is great reward knowing it is Christ who works in us to both will and perform his good pleasure as a imputed righteousness

 

[Grandpa]

Please show me a bible verse that says;


Jesus is our Sabbath?

That says the Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?


God bless and good night.

Galatians 2::16-21
[FONT=&quot]16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.[/FONT]

 

[Grace777x70]

Hebrews 8:7-10 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second.

[SUP]8 [/SUP] For finding fault with them, He says, "BEHOLD, DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL EFFECT A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH;

[SUP]9 [/SUP] NOT LIKE THE COVENANT WHICH I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS ON THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; FOR THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DID NOT CARE FOR THEM, SAYS THE LORD.

[SUP]10 [/SUP] "FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS, AND I WILL WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS. AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.

God said that He would make a New Covenant - NOT LIKE the one He made on Mount Sinai which included all the 10 commandments - of which the Sabbath day keeping was one of them to foreshadow the reality that is in Christ.

The law that God puts on our hearts in the New Covenant ( which is NOT LIKE the Old one ) is the law of Christ Himself, the law of love, the law of faith ( The law is NOT of faith ) - the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus.

Going back to the law is committing spiritual adultery on the Lord Jesus Christ. We have died to the law, been released from the law and we are not under the law in any shape or form.

Why? "So that" we could be joined to Another ( Christ Himself ) and that we would bear fruit for God. The only bearing of real fruit to God is when Christians live in Christ and not from the law.

Romans 7:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.

 

[MadebyHim]

Thus saith the Lord, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the Lord, speak, saying, The Lord hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For thus saith the Lord unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]The Lord God, which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]All ye beasts of the field, come to devour, yea, all ye beasts in the forest.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine, and we will fill ourselves with strong drink; and to morrow shall be as this day, and much more abundant. Isaiah 56

 

[garee]

Hi garee,

The questions was to show a bible text that says that Jesus is our Sabbath? There is not one verse that says this.

Mathew 11:28 does not say that Jesus is our Sabbath. It also does not say the 7th day Sabbath is done away with. There is no scripture in God's Word that says this whatsoever.

Hi LoveGodForever

Clearly does what? Draw us to him in whom we do rest in?

Other than the verse that you say does not say when it clearly does, do you need more than one?? or are you looking for one verbatim in those exact words... “Jesus is our Sabbath”?

No one said the Sabbath is done away with.

Who is your Sabbath as to who you rest in when you do not harden your heart if not Jesus?

Do you rest in your own works by hardening your heart? Who gives you rest… some work you can perform ?

Heb 4:1-7 Also does not say the Jesus is our Sabbath. This is only talking about how God's people because of unbelief and disobedience did not enter into God's 7th Day Sabbath rest and is a warning for us today if we continue in disobedience (sin).

Yes in unbelief they harden their hearts not desiring to rest in Christ, our Sabbath

So no my friend as mentioned earlier there is not one verse in the entire Word of God that says that Jesus is our Sabbath.

If Jesus is not our savior in whom we rest , who is our Sabbath? Did someone else do the work?

The only reference and context to the Sabbath is in God's Law (Ex 20:8-11) being the 7th day Sabbath commandment the 7th Day of the week of creation. That God rested on, set aside, made a holy, and commanded His people to keep

.

Yes he is our rest

Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath day and he made it for us (the Lords Day Mark 2:27-28), Jesus kept this day and he is our example. It is a commandment of God and if we knowingly break it we commit sin.

We are not to judge one another in respect to ceremonial shadow as a law, they are not moral laws they govern ceremonies used as shadows. The time of reformation has come.

Do you love Jesus garee?

Yes he is my Sabbath a rest term not to be confused with time sensitive words like the word week. The Word is Sabbaths plural not wek singular. The Greeks had no word for week . They would use the term seven days not seven Sabbaths.

The word Wednesday in German means mid week, not mid Sabbath… confusing time sensitive words with non time sensitive words a person can make the word of God say what ever they want. Every time we do not harden our heart we have entered his rest. Morning, day noon and night. Today is still called today. The Sun and the moon have not departed.

The literal translation seems to have been overlooked by some over zealous paraphrasers that did not know what to do with the new era of Sabbaths beginning on the first day of week, Sunday, the day He said let their be children of light and there was.

Matthew 28Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
28 And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,

They used the word week an non Greek word like that in other locations also to trying to maintain the seventh day for some odd reason or other..

Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

Its twice in the Sabbath .The Pharisees's kosher oral tradition of men was three meals on the Sabbath .The man simply had a empty boast as if he was the Lord of he Sabbath, the person we rest in.

 

[JaumeJ]

Anyone here going to say we may freely break the law, that is sin because we live in grace by the Blood of Jesus Christ?

If we deliberately sin we continue to crucify Him. Is this what the grace people are saying when they say the law, which cescribes sin, is obsolete??

Do not be so foolish as to believe just because we cannot be perfect as Jesus is we may forget to obey.

This is NOT working for our salvation, that is free, it is respecting the suffering for each of us to be saved by Grace by Jesus on the cross.

People who know this and yet say we are free of obeying the law because of grace are either crazy ignorant of just misinformed.

Do not tell anyone ont to obey God for Jesus Christ is our Example and to not obey God is calling Jesus Christ's Example and teaching a lie.

Be children of obedience and obey as well as you are given, you are forgiven when you slip always as long as you live in grace, but do not call our Savior worthy of more suffering by promoting sin. Sin is breaking the law.

We are fee of the sting of dath, the power of teh law, and when we know all the truth we are totally free.

Stop calling Jesus a fraud by changing His teaching.