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[LoveGodForever]

I already told you that the gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). Are you implying there is a distinction between the gospel of the kingdom (which is for Israel) and the gospel of grace (which is for the Church) as taught in certain dispensational camps? Is that where you are going with this?

Hi mailmandan,

How are you? Yes you did. It was a good post. I got that you said the Gospel is the “Good New” of the death, burial and resurrection of the Kingdom. Did you have a read of the scripture I sent you in post 608. I was asking you to consider these scriptures because they are all saying the Gospel is being preached before the death, burial and resurrection by Jesus while he was alive after the baptism of John. Anyhow I gave the answer in Post 619 if your interested.

God bless

 

[LoveGodForever]

Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel that is not applicable to Christians under the New Covenant. Even when Christians set out to worship on the Sabbath, they aren’t truly "keeping the Sabbath." To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament would involve compliance with regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced. If Sabbath-day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). These were commanded by God to the sons of Israel. If the seventh day Sabbath is still in affect, then why do not the Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person say he keeps a certain law when he keeps only part of it? If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people. Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh-day Adventist church? The State? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under the Mosaic regulations. St. Paul said in Galatians 4:9-11: "...You observe days and months and seasons and years. I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain." In Romans 14:1-23, the Apostle Paul says: "... One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind.." In other words, for the Christian, the Apostle is saying that no day is to be regarded holier than another. Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Hi mailmandan,

Thanks very much for your post. Nice to see someone who wants to share God’s Word. I love God’s Word so I am happy to share with you. I was going to break down your post and comment on different sections within your post but I then realized when I was reading through your post that there is a mistake in your premise. The mistake is twofold in that (1) the differences between God’s Law you were mixing up in your post with various laws of Moses (ceremonial, sacrificial, Levitical and civil) much or which is nailed to the cross and (2) the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath and the annual shadow feast Sabbaths (these are not the same as the normal 7th Day Sabbath from Ex 20:8-11). Anyhow if you would like to look at the evidence for what I am saying with all the scriptures (and there are many) have a look at a few of my posts on this topics I have covered in the links below, including their relation to Col 2 (Saves cutting and pasting everything here)….

Annual festival Sabbaths (1)

Annual festival Sabbaths (2)

Annual festival Sabbaths (3) (a must read God's Word)

What is the difference between God's Law and the laws of Moses (God's Word) ?

God's Law and the laws of Moses (1)

God's Law and the laws of Moses (2)


If you feel I have not covered anything please feel free to let me know and we can talk about it. But those links are pretty detailed and cover mostly everything in your post above. Ok getting late my end. Wish you all love, joy and peace in the Holy Spirit. bye for now.

God bless.

 

[Grace777x70]

Hi Grace777,

I hope you don’t mind, like I said earlier I am not interested in talking about all your witchcraft, secret codes, Judazing spirits or whatever else you want to accuse me of. If you would like to talk about the Word of God in a kind, civil and loving way I am happy to share God’s Word with you. If not then you are better off talking to someone else. Thanks

I do not continue interacting with those that pervert the gospel of Christ but I will this last time in the belief that it will help young Christians not to be seduced or "bewitched" by this deceiving spirit that is trying to manifest itself in here.

Answer this question which I have asked about 8 x times now and answer it straight without your continued deceit.

Is a Christian sinning and dis-obeying God by not observing the Sabbath day as outlined in the Old Testament.

It's a yes or no answer.

If you answer "no - they are not sinning - it is the Christians free choice in Christ to observe days and feasts as they choose as Paul says". Then I will say that you are not Judaizing in here in this Christian forum.

If you answer "yes" - then you will be exposed for what you are really teaching on here.

Is it not true in your website which you had in your signature before you were told it's not allowed - that the mark of the beast is those people worshipping the Lord on sunday?

Come on man - be honest with us and stop with this continued deceitfulness.

And - we will not fall for your attempts at spiritual manipulation by saying "Don't you love Jesus? Why don't you believe the word of God?" I am only giving you the word of God."

This is "code" for - if you don't believe that Christians are sinning and dis-obeying God if they don't follow the Sabbath day as outlines in the Old Testament - then you don't love Jesus nor believe the word of God "like I do". Complete spiritual nonsense and it's witchcraft - a work of the flesh.

I don't pussy-foot around with deceiving spirits ( not you personally - it's the spirit that has deceived your mind to believe and try to preach another "gospel" ) that attempt to distort the gospel of the grace of God in Christ.

Paul said to "speak boldly" the gospel so that the truth would remain with us.

 

[UnderGrace]

You say you agree but actually you do not really agree.

Hi UG,

Absolutely I have not changed of mind at all. I have always had the same belief in God's Word. It is just that some others here trying to say I believe something that I do not despite me telling them so. I have always had the same mind as to the Word of God. We cannot and are not saved by the things we can do, and never have been saved this way or no do we receive salvation this way. The point I am making is that with out God's Law (10 commandments) we do not know what sin is. It is what brings us to Jesus as sinners in need of a savior. The maintaining is also the work of God in us as we have complete dependence on the Word of God and by Faith believe God's Word. He is the God of creation and creates in us a new Heart (Heb 8:10-12) to love him and our fellow man. Because we love him we follow him and do what he asks us to do (John 14:15).

God bless you

 

[LoveGodForever]

You say you agree but actually you do not really agree.

Hi UG,

If I did not agree I would tell you. You can see in my posts I am honest about everything I believe of do not believe

God bless man late my end happy to chat further latter. (little brain dead now)

 

[Grandpa]

I do not continue interacting with those that pervert the gospel of Christ but I will this last time in the belief that it will help young Christians not to be seduced or "bewitched" by this deceiving spirit that is trying to manifest itself in here.

Answer this question which I have asked about 8 x times now and answer it straight without your continued deceit.

Is a Christian sinning and dis-obeying God by not observing the Sabbath day as outlined in the Old Testament.

It's a yes or no answer.

If you answer "no - they are not sinning - it is the Christians free choice in Christ to observe days and feasts as they choose as Paul says". Then I will say that you are not Judaizing in here in this Christian forum.

If you answer "yes" - then you will be exposed for what you are really teaching on here.

Is it not true in your website which you had in your signature before you were told it's not allowed - that the mark of the beast is those people worshipping the Lord on sunday?

Come on man - be honest with us and stop with this continued deceitfulness.

And - we will not fall for your attempts at spiritual manipulation by saying "Don't you love Jesus? Why don't you believe the word of God?" I am only giving you the word of God."

This is "code" for - if you don't believe that Christians are sinning and dis-obeying God if they don't follow the Sabbath day as outlines in the Old Testament - then you don't love Jesus nor believe the word of God "like I do". Complete spiritual nonsense and it's witchcraft - a work of the flesh.

No.

It was a shadow of what was to come.

Our Rest in Christ.

If anything, it is a sin for a Christian who has come to Christ to go back to his work at the law. It is unbelief.

Galatians 2:21 [FONT=&quot]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

[/FONT]Galatians 5:1 [FONT=&quot]Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

[/FONT]A Christian has the law fulfilled through them by their Rest in Christ. It is the Holy Spirit that fulfills the law by faith.

If a person goes back to their carnal understanding and carnal work at the law they essentially don't believe that Christ has or will fulfill the law.

 

[UnderGrace]

Yes and when you respond show me in scripture where Paul has the laws broken up into sections with titles and headings, ie ceremonial, moral, civil, dietary.... in the scripture now.... not in your posts.

Hi UG,

If I did not agree I would tell you. You can see in my posts I am honest about everything I believe of do not believe

God bless man late my end happy to chat further latter. (little brain dead now)

 

[Grandpa]

Yes and when you respond show me in scripture where Paul has the laws broken up into sections with titles and headings, ie ceremonial, moral, civil, dietary.... in the scripture now.... not in your posts.

That is a construct of legalists only.

They separate the law into parts so they can show some of it was fulfilled and the ones they WANT to work at they show are still in effect.

Its silliness. But you can't convince them otherwise.

What we should also ask is which laws did the Lord Jesus say He WASN'T going to fulfill....

 

[UnderGrace]

So so true.

Very difficult to get a straightforward answer on any question.

That is a construct of legalists only.

They separate the law into parts so they can show some of it was fulfilled and the ones they WANT to work at they show are still in effect.

Its silliness. But you can't convince them otherwise.

What we should also ask is which laws did the Lord Jesus say He WASN'T going to fulfill....

 

[LoveGodForever]

Yes and when you respond show me in scripture where Paul has the laws broken up into sections with titles and headings, ie ceremonial, moral, civil, dietary.... in the scripture now.... not in your posts.

Hi UG,

All of the above can be clearly seen through the Old Testament scriptures. This is why Jesus tells us that we are to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. (Matt 4:4) Some people here like to cherry pick the scriptures and hold on to some scripture and reject others to hold on to an interpretation of Scripture that is not biblical. When you have any scripture that seems to be in contradiction to other parts of scripture it should be a warning sign that maybe the interpretation you have in not biblical. God's Word does not contradict itself. The Old Testament is the witness of the New Testament scriptures and is in harmony with each other. Everything from the New Testament has come from the Old. The reason why I asked the question "What is the Gospel" yesterday is because the Gospel (Good News) is Jesus and Jesus is all the Word of God. It is not for us to reject God's Word because one of the writers in the Bible do not use headings and sub-headings when other parts of scripture explain the different topics. I know you do not think that.

God bless

 

[mailmandan]

Hi mailmandan,

How are you? Yes you did. It was a good post. I got that you said the Gospel is the “Good New” of the death, burial and resurrection of the Kingdom. Did you have a read of the scripture I sent you in post 608. I was asking you to consider these scriptures because they are all saying the Gospel is being preached before the death, burial and resurrection by Jesus while he was alive after the baptism of John. Anyhow I gave the answer in Post 619 if your interested.

God bless

1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you--unless you believed in vain. 3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures.

This is the gospel that we are to BELIEVE (Romans 1:16) in order to be saved. Not simply believe "mental assent" that the death, burial and resurrection of Christ "happened" (even the demons believe that) but believe/trust/rely in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.

Prior to Paul preaching the gospel of grace (which was a mystery until it was later revealed - Romans 16:25; Ephesians 6:19); Jesus Christ sent the twelve to preach only to Israel in Matthew 10:5-7, "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand." The disciples were specifically told to go only to the people of Israel, and they were not preaching about the death, burial, and resurrection.

In Luke 18:31, we read - Jesus took the Twelve aside and told them, "We are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled. 32 He will be delivered over to the Gentiles. They will mock him, insult him and spit on him; 33 they will flog him and kill him. On the third day he will rise again."

34 The disciples did not understand any of this. Its meaning was hidden from them, and they did not know what he was talking about.

Mark 1:14-15 records, "Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel." This gospel of the kingdom which Jesus Christ preached was same message that John the Baptist preached: "From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" (Matthew 4:17).

The gospel is included in the word of God, yet the gospel is not simply defined as the entire word of God. The Bible is God's written word and Jesus is the Living Word. You said, "the Word of God is the Gospel and we are to live by every Word of it." It sounds to me like you are peddling a "works based" false gospel, which would explain your obsession with keeping the Sabbath day.

 

[mailmandan]

Hi mailmandan,

Thanks very much for your post. Nice to see someone who wants to share God’s Word. I love God’s Word so I am happy to share with you. I was going to break down your post and comment on different sections within your post but I then realized when I was reading through your post that there is a mistake in your premise. The mistake is twofold in that (1) the differences between God’s Law you were mixing up in your post with various laws of Moses (ceremonial, sacrificial, Levitical and civil) much or which is nailed to the cross and (2) the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath and the annual shadow feast Sabbaths (these are not the same as the normal 7th Day Sabbath from Ex 20:8-11). Anyhow if you would like to look at the evidence for what I am saying with all the scriptures (and there are many) have a look at a few of my posts on this topics I have covered in the links below, including their relation to Col 2 (Saves cutting and pasting everything here)….

Annual festival Sabbaths (1)

Annual festival Sabbaths (2)

Annual festival Sabbaths (3) (a must read God's Word)

What is the difference between God's Law and the laws of Moses (God's Word) ?

God's Law and the laws of Moses (1)

God's Law and the laws of Moses (2)


If you feel I have not covered anything please feel free to let me know and we can talk about it. But those links are pretty detailed and cover mostly everything in your post above. Ok getting late my end. Wish you all love, joy and peace in the Holy Spirit. bye for now.

God bless.

You are making this out to be a lot more complicated than it really is in your efforts to explain away the truth. I summed it up nicely for you in post #638. You can either accept the truth or continue to reject it.

 

[UnderGrace]

There are 613 laws. Why do you only keep the Sabbath.

Jesus kept all the laws and if keeping the law, all 613, is your outpouring of love for Jesus you should be keeping all of them correct, because wouldn't that demonstrate even more love?

Hi UG,

All of the above can be clearly seen through the Old Testament scriptures. This is why Jesus tells us that we are to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. (Matt 4:4) Some people here like to cherry pick the scriptures and hold on to some scripture and reject others to hold on to an interpretation of Scripture that is not biblical. When you have any scripture that seems to be in contradiction to other parts of scripture it should be a warning sign that maybe the interpretation you have in not biblical. The Old Testament is the witness of the New Testament scriptures. Everything from the New Testament has come from the Old. The reason why I asked the question "What is the Gospel" yesterday is because the Gospel (Good News) is Jesus and Jesus is all the Word of God. It is not for us to reject God's Word because one of the writers in the Bible do not use headings and sub-headings when other parts of scripture explain the different topics. I know you do not think that.

God bless

 

[LoveGodForever]

The gospel is included in the word of God, yet the gospel is not simply defined as the entire word of God. The Bible is God's written word and Jesus is the Living Word. You said, "the Word of God is the Gospel and we are to live by every Word of it." It sounds to me like you are peddling a "works based" false gospel, which would explain your obsession with keeping the Sabbath day.

Hi mailmandan,

I love all the scriptures you sent thanks for those. You are correct. These scriptures you quoted are a very important part of the Gospel (Good News). All of the scriptures I sent you yesterday also the word "Gospel" was being preached before the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus (e.g. Mark 1:15; 8:35; Matt4:23; Matt 9:35; 11:5; 24:14; Luke 4:18; 7:22; 20:11)
The Good New (Gospel) is Jesus and Jesus is the Word of God. It is the Word of God that is the Gospel that we are to live by. (Matt 4:4; John 1-1-4; John 3:16). Why do you say it is a "works based doctrine" when all I have said is that God's Word is Good News? Is receiving God's Word a "works based doctrine" when I have already told you I receive it by faith?

God bless you

 

[LoveGodForever]

You are making this out to be a lot more complicated than it really is in your efforts to explain away the truth. I summed it up nicely for you in post #638. You can either accept the truth or continue to reject it.

It is not complicated at all. It is the Word of God. It is only complicated if you do not pray and ask Jesus. I do not reject the truth at all it seems like you do however as you cannot reply to any of those post I have sent you explaining why your position is not correct but only come back with your opinion. If what I have sent you in those posts is not correct then by all means please go ahead and show me. It is God's Word not mine, receive it or not. Its up to you

God bless you

 

[mailmandan]

Hi mailmandan,

I love all the scriptures you sent thanks for those. You are correct. These scriptures you quoted are a very important part of the Gospel (Good News). All of the scriptures I sent you yesterday also the word "Gospel" was being preached before the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus (e.g. Mark 1:15; 8:35; Matt4:23; Matt 9:35; 11:5; 24:14; Luke 4:18; 7:22; 20:11)
The Good New (Gospel) is Jesus and Jesus is the Word of God. It is the Word of God that is the Gospel that we are to live by. (Matt 4:4; John 1-1-4; John 3:16). Why do you say it is a "works based doctrine" when all I have said is that God's Word is Good News? Is receiving God's Word a "works based doctrine" when I have already told you I receive it by faith?

God bless you

If you say we MUST keep the Sabbath day OR ELSE and living by the Word of God (measuring up to certain standards) becomes the means of our salvation (the gospel you are preaching) then it's works based doctrine. To say that you don't teach works salvation and you receive that gospel you are preaching by faith is just sugar coated double talk.

 

[graceNpeace]

If you say we MUST keep the Sabbath day OR ELSE and living by the Word of God (measuring up to certain standards) becomes the means of our salvation (the gospel you are preaching) then it's works based doctrine. To say that you don't teach works salvation and you receive that gospel you are preaching by faith is just sugar coated double talk.

Exactly the point I have been making for some time with lovegodforever...

 

[LoveGodForever]

If you say we MUST keep the Sabbath day OR ELSE and living by the Word of God (measuring up to certain standards) becomes the means of our salvation (the gospel you are preaching) then it's works based doctrine. To say that you don't teach works salvation and you receive that gospel you are preaching by faith is just sugar coated double talk.

Hi manilmandan,

Sorry I thought we were talking about the Gospel or the different laws of God etc. Although God's Sabbath is related to these of course. Once again it not not me that says this it is God. I do not follow God for my salvation as posted so many times already. I follow Jesus through faith only in His Word. He has changed my life. I follow Jesus because I love him. Do you love Jesus mailmandan?

God bless you

 

[UnderGrace]

What you espouse is actually very, very complicated.....perhaps convoluted describes it better.

I can just imagine Jesus trying to explain all this to Nicodemus when they met in that evening....

"Nicodemus after you are born again....to show you love me keep the Sabbath, that is the one law that is very very important because when you are born again you need to show me that you love me....because I am very needy that way and keeping the Sabbath is the proof I need.... now come to think of it there are also these feast days...I think you should do those too, here I will give you a list...."

I guess Jesus forgot to tell us all this?

It is not complicated at all. It is the Word of God. It is only complicated if you do not pray and ask Jesus. I do not reject the truth at all it seems like you do however as you cannot reply to any of those post I have sent you explaining why your position is not correct but only come back with your opinion. If what I have sent you in those posts is not correct then by all means please go ahead and show me. It is God's Word not mine, receive it or not. Its up to you

God bless you

 

[mailmandan]

Hi manilmandan,

Sorry I thought we were talking about the Gospel or the different laws of God etc. Although God's Sabbath is related to these of course. Once again it not not me that says this it is God. I do not follow God for my salvation as posted so many times already. I follow Jesus through faith only in His Word. He has changed my life. I follow Jesus because I love him. Do you love Jesus mailmandan?

God bless you

Jesus changed my life the day I trusted in Him as the ALL-sufficient means of my salvation. Of course I love Jesus and I follow Jesus because I love Him. Unfortunately, many people misinterpret the Word of God, create their own self righteous works system and call that following Jesus.