WHAT DOES THE WORD OF FAITH MOVEMENT TEACH?

[bluto]

I'm catching on

you just want to be right especially when you are wrong

since anyone can read for themselves, as they say, the truth is out there

No, your not cathching on? Why do you presume/assume you know the condition of my heart and you think my motive is that I want to be right? I don't give a rat's behind about being right, I only care for the truth. Your the one that said, "Joyce on her own site disavows wof." I simply ask you to show me where?

for some of us anyways

No, your not catching on? Why do you presume/assume you know the condition of my heart and you think my motive is that I want to be right? I don't give a rat's behind about being right, I only care for the truth. Your the one that said, "Joyce on her own site disavows wof." I simply ask you to show me where so I can read it for myself. And btw, you can listen to her until the cows come home, that's on you not me.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[Zen]

I don't give a rat's behind about being right, I only care for the truth.

But you linked a website containing slander and errors.

 

[Meggido]

this thread has come full circle and the main participants are now rolling up their sleeves for a good round of fistacuffs

wagers for who can insult the other one more and still sound Christian?

1...2...3....go boys!

Let em fight, I just set the table and we are having:

Spinach salad with strawberries, cherub tomatoes, sweet onion, walnuts, warm maple syrup bacon dressing with bacon pieces and crumbled bleu cheese

Mashed potatoes with roasted garlic and sweet butter

Roasted baby Asparagus with lemon juice aioli

Pan roasted Filet of Beef...medium rare with baby button mushrooms....

I suggest a crisp, cold glass of San Pellegrino sparkling water

Rosemary,
would you bless this meal?
oh and Rosemary.......never, ever forget:

YOU ARE WHO GOD SAYS YOU ARE!

Dig in sisters and brothers...dinners served

 

[Denadii]

Let em fight, I just set the table and we are having:

Spinach salad with strawberries, cherub tomatoes, sweet onion, walnuts, warm maple syrup bacon dressing with bacon pieces and crumbled bleu cheese

Mashed potatoes with roasted garlic and sweet butter

Roasted baby Asparagus with lemon juice aioli

Pan roasted Filet of Beef...medium rare with baby button mushrooms....

I suggest a crisp, cold glass of San Pellegrino sparkling water

Rosemary,
would you bless this meal?
oh and Rosemary.......never, ever forget:

YOU ARE WHO GOD SAYS YOU ARE!

Dig in sisters and brothers...dinners served

We made Gyros for dinner. I'm fed up already! LOL

 

[sevenseas]

Let em fight, I just set the table and we are having:

Spinach salad with strawberries, cherub tomatoes, sweet onion, walnuts, warm maple syrup bacon dressing with bacon pieces and crumbled bleu cheese

Mashed potatoes with roasted garlic and sweet butter

Roasted baby Asparagus with lemon juice aioli

Pan roasted Filet of Beef...medium rare with baby button mushrooms....

I suggest a crisp, cold glass of San Pellegrino sparkling water

Rosemary,
would you bless this meal?
oh and Rosemary.......never, ever forget:

YOU ARE WHO GOD SAYS YOU ARE!

Dig in sisters and brothers...dinners served

oh?

I didn't know you owned a 5 star restaurant!

I just don't really know what cherub tomatoes are. I like those big beefsteak ones that are not overripe

 

[sevenseas]

I googled them and they are all over the place. in yellow too

 

[bluto]

But you linked a website containing slander and errors.

Well zen, I'll ask you what I ask sevenseas, show me where joyce meyer rennounced her wof teachings? Secondly, show me the slander/errors from the following site: https://craigbrownsreformedtheology.wordpress.com/2011/09/21/word-of-faith-false-teacher-joyce-meyer%E2%80%99s-shocking-doctrine-and-heresy/

Thirdly, slander means "the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging a persons reputation." If there is any "slander" it's on joyce meyer and her statements about what happened to Jesus Christ, now that is not only slander but it's "blasphemous." So again, show me where she repented/renounced of all these false heretical statements?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[sevenseas]

Well zen, I'll ask you what I ask sevenseas, show me where joyce meyer rennounced her wof teachings? Secondly, show me the slander/errors from the following site: https://craigbrownsreformedtheology...r-joyce-meyer’s-shocking-doctrine-and-heresy/

Thirdly, slander means "the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging a persons reputation." If there is any "slander" it's on joyce meyer and her statements about what happened to Jesus Christ, now that is not only slander but it's "blasphemous." So again, show me where she repented/renounced of all these false heretical statements?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

oh give it up already

you are being SO dishonest

you ignore the proof given that she does not teach WOF and demand that she personally apologize for anything that you personally disagree with

let's be truthful

you just prefer women have nothing to say according to the website you gave your stamp of approval on

that website that praises men translating the word of God into a powerless entity that tries to make itself look good by making those who are at least trying, look bad

but I'll tell you what

Joyce Meyer is serving God and the fruit is good. very good.

YOU are the one slandering and it has nothing to do with someone judging your heart, but as you ARE slandering, I will assume you do have heart issues but that is between you and your Maker

this business of judging that people around here bring up whenever someone lobs a truth bomb at that them that puts the lies in the light, is a pathetic and weak attempt to undermine the strength of the truth and the fact that God's word does not return to Him void

 

[Zen]

Well zen, I'll ask you what I ask sevenseas, show me where joyce meyer rennounced her wof teachings? Secondly, show me the slander/errors from the following site: https://craigbrownsreformedtheology.wordpress.com/2011/09/21/word-of-faith-false-teacher-joyce-meyer%E2%80%99s-shocking-doctrine-and-heresy/

Thirdly, slander means "the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging a persons reputation." If there is any "slander" it's on joyce meyer and her statements about what happened to Jesus Christ, now that is not only slander but it's "blasphemous." So again, show me where she repented/renounced of all these false heretical statements?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

I don't know about any of that. I just know she doesn't teach that it's a sin to be poor. All the stuff on TV I've seen of her is about faith.

Slander
verb
make false and damaging statements about someone

Good luck in your heresy hunting.

 

[bluto]

I don't know about any of that. I just know she doesn't teach that it's a sin to be poor. All the stuff on TV I've seen of her is about faith.

Slander
verb
make false and damaging statements about someone

Good luck in your heresy hunting.

So zen, your another one like sevenseas and denadii that can't provide one bit of proof that these heretics have renounced or made a statement to the church that wof teachings are in error. You see, you guys make statements then it is your reponsibility to provide proof that your statements are true. This is simple logic 101. And it does "NOT" bother me to accuse me of being a heresy hunter, I'm merely quoting their own heretical and blasphemous words from their own mouth. You guys need to grow up spiritually and quit thinking that everything is a "Kumbayah" moment.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[Meggido]

oh?

I didn't know you owned a 5 star restaurant!

I just don't really know what cherub tomatoes are. I like those big beefsteak ones that are not overripe

tiny tomatoes that taste like a cherry....

 

[Zen]

So zen, your another one like sevenseas and denadii that can't provide one bit of proof that these heretics have renounced or made a statement to the church that wof teachings are in error. You see, you guys make statements then it is your reponsibility to provide proof that your statements are true. This is simple logic 101. And it does "NOT" bother me to accuse me of being a heresy hunter, I'm merely quoting their own heretical and blasphemous words from their own mouth. You guys need to grow up spiritually and quit thinking that everything is a "Kumbayah" moment.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Sevenseas hates me, she slandered me and reported me to the mods because she didn't like being rebuked and the things I posted. She likes the posts that insult me. Same as Denadii and a bunch of other people.

We're nothing alike.

However, it seems that she's also telling you the same thing. The website you linked contains factual errors and slander. The audio CD of hers I've been listening to isn't heretical, and neither is the stuff I saw of her on TV (The Bible Network UK). The website you stand by says that she teaches that it's a sin to be poor. This is not true according to my own experience.

Honestly, good luck with your heresy hunting. It's nothing to do with me, it's not something that I do. This isn't sarcasm or anything, just continue what you're doing but please make sure to discern the truth in the Holy Spirit and not just believe slander because someone told you to believe it.

It's not my responsibility or interest to go and research what slander people are writing about other Christians, and verify it, and then post it so that you can read it, since you're accusing me of things and have lumped me in with another slanderer and I already know some of it to be false from personal experience.

No hard feelings, you can stop replying to me regarding this conversation, it doesn't mean that I hold anything against you. I only originally posted in this thread regarding the error you linked, and the lack of quotes you claimed to have provided.

 

[sevenseas]

tiny tomatoes that taste like a cherry....

right

I did look them up and realized I have seen them around of course. many restaurants serve these in lieu of the cherry tomatoes but I gotta say, I prefer the cherry tomatoes

 

[Denadii]

Sevenseas hates me, she slandered me and reported me to the mods because she didn't like being rebuked and the things I posted. She likes the posts that insult me. Same as Denadii and a bunch of other people.

We're nothing alike.

However, it seems that she's also telling you the same thing. The website you linked contains factual errors and slander. The audio CD of hers I've been listening to isn't heretical, and neither is the stuff I saw of her on TV (The Bible Network UK). The website you stand by says that she teaches that it's a sin to be poor. This is not true according to my own experience.

Honestly, good luck with your heresy hunting. It's nothing to do with me, it's not something that I do. This isn't sarcasm or anything, just continue what you're doing but please make sure to discern the truth in the Holy Spirit and not just believe slander because someone told you to believe it.

It's not my responsibility or interest to go and research what slander people are writing about other Christians, and verify it, and then post it so that you can read it, since you're accusing me of things and have lumped me in with another slanderer and I already know some of it to be false from personal experience.

No hard feelings, you can stop replying to me regarding this conversation, it doesn't mean that I hold anything against you. I only originally posted in this thread regarding the error you linked, and the lack of quotes you claimed to have provided.

Don't name me there in your bug splatter Bluto. I'm not interested in proving anything to you about anybody. Its not my business. You should mind yours too. Those people are NOT your business. But then.....Minding someone elses business is a good way to avoid cleaning up your own backyard isn't it? You're good at that.

 

[bluto]

Don't name me there in your bug splatter Bluto. I'm not interested in proving anything to you about anybody. Its not my business. You should mind yours too. Those people are NOT your business. But then.....Minding someone elses business is a good way to avoid cleaning up your own backyard isn't it? You're good at that.

Not only will I name you denadii, I put you at the top of the list as a heretic supporter. What was it you said to me? Oh yea, "I don't want to talk about copeland." And why, because you know you can justify his heretical teachings. Like saying that Jesus Christ took on the nature of Satan and in hell Satan and his minions tortured Jesus Christ in hell." And joyce meyer teaches the same thing because she got it from copeland.

All I have been asking is where have these wolves rennounced or recanted these teachings? And I have only given you one example among many false teachings. And finally, yes this is your business because you will be held accountable according to Ezekiel 3:18-19. I also know about your "asinine" and unbiblical excuse that were not suppose to name names? The Bible does name names and even if it did not your still suppose to confront and speak out against those who teach heresy. Acts 20:28 and many other verses I could post. Like I said before, you "DON'T" know your Bible. PS: Go back to eating your day old Gyros?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[Zen]

Like saying that Jesus Christ took on the nature of Satan and in hell Satan and his minions tortured Jesus Christ in hell." And joyce meyer teaches the same thing because she got it from copeland.

I heard an audio clip of her (I think) saying this. I don't think this is anything to do with a prosperity gospel, or that being poor is a sin.

 

[bluto]

I heard an audio clip of her (I think) saying this. I don't think this is anything to do with a prosperity gospel, or that being poor is a sin.

Yes zen, she did clearly say and teach this. And what is your point by saying you don' think this has anything to do with a prosperity gospel, or that being poor is a sin? I mean if anything this is even worse. And come to think of it, what person in their right mind would even teach in the first place that it's a sin to be poor? Even after Jesus Himself said "you will always have the poor with you?"

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[Angela53510]

oh give it up already

you are being SO dishonest

you ignore the proof given that she does not teach WOF and demand that she personally apologize for anything that you personally disagree with

let's be truthful

you just prefer women have nothing to say according to the website you gave your stamp of approval on

that website that praises men translating the word of God into a powerless entity that tries to make itself look good by making those who are at least trying, look bad

but I'll tell you what

Joyce Meyer is serving God and the fruit is good. very good.

YOU are the one slandering and it has nothing to do with someone judging your heart, but as you ARE slandering, I will assume you do have heart issues but that is between you and your Maker

this business of judging that people around here bring up whenever someone lobs a truth bomb at that them that puts the lies in the light, is a pathetic and weak attempt to undermine the strength of the truth and the fact that God's word does not return to Him void

I do not believe what you are saying about Bluto is true. While it is true reformers in general don't support women in ministry, I have yet to see one of the Reformed people, including Bluto say a word against me for being a women in ministry. In fact, they have been kind and supportive, some even listening to my sermons.

While I have seen places where Joyce is condemned for being a woman preaching, they usually go on to point out the wrong she is preaching. Of course, some still think women innately can't understand theology, but certainly Bluto is not one of those people.

If Joyce says she disowns Word Faith, I would be delighted to read it. Could one of you post a link for that? I agree we do change and grow in our understanding of God and theology. I have moved miles from where I was 5, 10 or 20 years ago. Certainly, when we study the Bible more, God does move us to reexamine cherished beliefs that were based on tradition, or the words of "men" (for want of a better word!) instead of the Bible.

PS. If you posted a link earlier, I must have missed it. I would appreciate it if you could put it here again! Thanks!

 

[Zen]

Yes zen, she did clearly say and teach this. And what is your point by saying you don' think this has anything to do with a prosperity gospel, or that being poor is a sin? I mean if anything this is even worse. And come to think of it, what person in their right mind would even teach in the first place that it's a sin to be poor? Even after Jesus Himself said "you will always have the poor with you?"

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

At the bottom of the site you linked, it lists the sources of the claims and they are tapes from the late 80s and early 90s and I don't have them available to post here.

 

[bluto]

oh give it up already

you are being SO dishonest

you ignore the proof given that she does not teach WOF and demand that she personally apologize for anything that you personally disagree with

let's be truthful

you just prefer women have nothing to say according to the website you gave your stamp of approval on

that website that praises men translating the word of God into a powerless entity that tries to make itself look good by making those who are at least trying, look bad

but I'll tell you what

Joyce Meyer is serving God and the fruit is good. very good.

YOU are the one slandering and it has nothing to do with someone judging your heart, but as you ARE slandering, I will assume you do have heart issues but that is between you and your Maker

this business of judging that people around here bring up whenever someone lobs a truth bomb at that them that puts the lies in the light, is a pathetic and weak attempt to undermine the strength of the truth and the fact that God's word does not return to Him void

First of all sevenseas is that your real age, 45? Who are you to accuse me of being dishonest? And like I have said a number of times now show me the proof that she has rennounced or recanted wof teachings. You can't and that is why your attacking my character just like denadii.

Secondly, if the men on that site are against women preachers that's on them. That still does not make void what meyer teaches. Thirdly, I love women preachers/evangelist. In fact I have listened to Billy Graham's daugter and she is an excellent evangelist. I also suggest you read her book "Wounded By God's People," because you definitely have issues.

And maybe, just mabe the following written by a woman might wake you up to reality. Word of Faith False Teacher Joyce Meyer’s Shocking Doctrine and Heresy - Berean Research

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto