Not By Works

[Ariel82]

The one and only time that I tried learning how to drive, I nearly put my sister's car into a ditch. LOL... Probably a good thing that I've never driven, my seizures would definitely have hit while driving and I would've either killed myself and/ or someone else. But I do agree, it sucks..

We had a man come to a church and he trained service dogs for vets and firemen and donated them to those in need for free. He only gave to people locally so he could drive and retrain the dog if needed.


Anyway, he has seizures and has a dog who will alert him an hour before they happen so he can take medicine. This allows him to drive and function without someone hovering over him all the time.

Not sure if it's a possibility but just wanted to mention the idea to you and EG. Perhaps with prayer and some research God will make a way?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus already won the debate....

then why do you feel the need to lie about others?

If you truly believes jesus won, and truly believed you had that truth, you would not need to lie about others, you would just show the truth, and the truth would stand.

 

[stonesoffire]

Look Meggido...I was upset with you...I stated why. And am glad it's public since it can't be misunderstood. Now I'm dropping it.

Am over it. What you do is your decision. But, I stated what I think so now you know.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yeah, my dad takes me grocery shopping every week. He's done that every month since I moved away from home at 21.. But he's 86 with a bad heart, so he won't be doing it for much longer. I take the bus everywhere else, though. I COULD take the bus to go shopping, only problem is I have to call in a deviation for them to pick me up and bring me back, and many times they haven't even shown up. :/ Also, they only let you bring onto the bus, as many grocery bags as you can carry on in one trip. Mehaving a bad back, that's hard. It's much easier to just get them out of the trunk of my mom's car..

My daughter gets help from the state, She got married and he was handicapped to. so they moved t his county, then he did her wrong, so they are separated. I wish I lived closer so I could do more..

 

[Jackson123]

After I ponder, seem to me, Christian have freedom of choice. To obey or not is a freedom. Like what kind of food we want to day, It is up to us. We do not need to ask God for what kind AD food we Eat to day.

but If we choose unhealty food and we sick, do not say God doesn't protected us.

I believe this Phenomenon happen in salvation

who ever believe in Jesus, Will be guaranty save. You are protected from hell, No body can bring you to hell.

if you lose your believe than you lose your salvation.

 

[royalscot]

]Who said someone has perfectly obeyed the 10 Commandments?[/U]
Did I??

You said Grace does not negate obedience.
Short and sweet.

I agree.

So what has the disagreement all this time been about????????

Nuff said.

P.S. In the parable of the sower, one of the seeds, BELIEVED FOR A WHILE.
JESUS said it, not anyone here. It was TEMPORARY belief.

Have a good day.

no .........................................

acts 15 calls you liar. take it up with that.

Acts 15: The Jerusalem Council
1 But some men came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, "Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.

5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, "It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses."

.10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will."


nuff said
read you bible in contex,t to read as wrote.

Galatians 5: Christ Has Set Us Free
1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
2 Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you.3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace

full law or no law,
you need a temple of stone for full law.

you sever, all who you teach. etc




if you get your power from law, like the old covenant jewish, you have a licence to sin, with no temple of stone.
(remember, the law of the land, call sin , crime. )

repentance came through jesus christ. for the jewish converts to christain belief system. not for jewish to continue in an old covenant, belief system. etc

 

[Meggido]

i would give him another chance coz he still needs your last knee cap ive got use to them allnow but as for one member he will be on my iggy for at least 1 more year... then if hes the same he go on for 3 years.. then its a lifetime.. 3 hits and ya out

He begged him to place him on ignore and I did and now he is mad I actually did....and is still responding to my posts....Man talk about a stalker....real easy to see who is defending their pride and self and who is defending the faith...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

After I ponder, seem to me, Christian have freedom of choice. To obey or not is a freedom. Like what kind of food we want to day, It is up to us. We do not need to ask God for what kind AD food we Eat to day.

but If we choose unhealty food and we sick, do not say God doesn't protected us.

I believe this Phenomenon happen in salvation

who ever believe in Jesus, Will be guaranty save. You are protected from hell, No body can bring you to hell.

if you lose your believe than you lose your salvation.

can you give an example of someone who had true faith in God, trusted everything the gospel said about them, including how sinful and condemned they were. and how they would die forever apart from him,

A person who Walked with God. Saw gods faithfulness, experienced Gods faithfulness, Witnessed his faithfulness. and then lost his faith? and can you explain why, with all this, they would do so?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He begged him to place him on ignore and I did and now he is mad I actually did...

Anther lie, Does this person actually think he can continue with these lies. and get away with it.

1. I did not beg him I asked him if he was going to continue doing what he was doing, to please put me on ignore.
2. I am not mad he did so. This is quite literally nonsense.

.and is still responding to my posts....Man talk about a stalker....real easy to see who is defending their pride and self and who is defending the faith...

Yet you keep attaking me, and blaming me,, seems to me you need to look in the mirror.

I actually am glad you keep responding, You keep proving me right. and making yourself look bad.. And yet you say I am mad..LOLOLOL

this is funny, I feel like I am watching a comedy.

 

[Meggido]

She is upset because I do not share the same fondness for Bethel or Bill, Brian or Jenn Johnson and called them out to her....I think my gentleness was witnessed by all when she publicly shamed me over that PM and said If I wanted to dis fellowship because she thinks I was wrong in my assessment about those false prophets I could...that's fine its her opinion, but I replied...no, no dis fellowship from me stones, so now she is just putting a pebble in my sandal...[/QUOTE

Not at all Meggido. You gossip. That makes me upset. And then slander. What gives anyone the right to do this to another?

What I think happened with your "students" who attended the supernatural courses is they weren't grounded on the foundation first and heard messages way beyond their understanding. It's good that you pick up the pieces but that doesn't make the courses heretical.

There are a lot of things supernatural in the scriptures like Philip being transported. And in the OT...many more than the church has experienced. That should not be.

Be careful what you call heresy. You may end up fighting God Himself.

also, remember it was you that mentioned you wouldn't disfellowship me for what I believe. Then you try to dissuade me. Did you hold that over my head? I wouldn't have your approval? You aren't even in my circle and I have a husband.

Men that draw others to themselves aren't right.

When they state their GOD SAID mandate is to do what Jesus did and GO and MAKE REVIVAL and not DISCIPLES... it is an error....Jesus did not say GO AND MAKE REVIVAL he said GO AND MAKE disciples...they do not teach the Gospel will bring the end of things and Jesus back, they teach latter rain outpouring of the Holy Spirit and revival will bring and end to things and bring Jesus back again and Bill Johnson states this all over the place.....this is in direct error with what Jesus said in Matt 24.14...
This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.

I am sorry you like emotionalism and not full truth....

Here is the link to the Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry.....lets let people decide for themselves by looking around what is true or false...

BSSM – Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry

BUILDING REVIVALISTS is not a mandate found in scripture....anywhere.....

 

[Ariel82]

He begged him to place him on ignore and I did and now he is mad I actually did....and is still responding to my posts....Man talk about a stalker....real easy to see who is defending their pride and self and who is defending the faith...

He isn't mad that you put him on ignore, and he never said he would put you on ignore. (which means he will still be responding to you)

When I was a teenager, we had a saying...

"Talk to the hand because the face ain't listening"


I believe that was kind of what he meant when he told you to put him on ignore.

Personally all the folks who play for the audience on both "sides" ..,, I think are prideful and conceited.

I would rather talk to people directly and if God moves those watching closer to Him by our conversation. I say praise God.

However when i post its to people who are currently talking....not a hidden audience.

Mainly because God has taught me it's more important to care about what He thinks than what anyone else thinks about me or my words.
.out of love I try an make sense, but most of the time I just trust that God will work in others lives and focus on doing what He has asked of me.

Why do folks make personal attacks?

What happened to mature discussion?

 

[willybob]

The topic is not by the work, yes salvation is not by the work, It is by faith

second question, can one lose his salvation?

let Matt 13 answered

20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;

this person receiveth the word/WHO ever receive the word Will be save

so he is save

21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.



but dureth for a while


to me It mean he lose his salvation

his salvation dureth for a while than gone, No more left over.

its not by works of religion, however a saving faith IS a work, cant separate the two, if so, then its the faith of devils said James...be blessed

 

[Stephen63]

How does this edify? How does this stop the arguments?

Maybe your "flesh" is similar to those you are upset with?

One might say you're also in your flesh also, because you cry out "peace!" at your enemies, & NOTHING to your friends who are more responsible for the fighting.

You do this on a regular basis..... so, put the act to rest, please.

 

[Stephen63]

At one time I would of run from bullies...but no more.

Now you're allies with them.

 

[Ariel82]

I cry "peace" to my brethren and not sure who I would consider my enemy....I think most folks are just friends I haven't meet or won over to loving me yet....lol.

 

[willybob]

The works of faith IS faithfulness to God from heart purity. Its not a virtual faith of position for the self-serving purpose to circumvent the wages of sin and damnation, to obtain pie in the sky when you die, in the sweet bye and bye,,,,,But rather a working faith, to be pleasing in the eyes of the Lord, in that your deeds done in faith come up as a memorial before God..................be blessed

 

[Ariel82]

Even if others consider me their enemy, God tells me we should live them anyway.

Yet some days I wonder: where is the love,

 

[Stephen63]

Because I believe EVERYONE who has faith (believes) in jesus as their lord and savior WILL follow his commands (although I do not believe anyone will be perfect. and some will obey a lot more than others)




WHo is afraid? No one is afraid. The only person that says anyone is afraid is you.

Gods people WILL WORK

Gods people WILL OBEY

Gods people WILL grow

Gods people WILL not live like they used to

Gods people WILL be changed, Because God made them new creatures.

are you afraid of the word will?? Why?

Again, Saying it is REQUIRED is teaching works..

I believe faith works,, why do you not agree? why do you think a person can have faith and not work?

They will go apostate

They will go lukewarm

They will backslide

(but not all of them)

 

[Meggido]

I cry "peace" to my brethren and not sure who I would consider my enemy....I think most folks are just friends I haven't meet or won over to loving me yet....lol.

I made peace.EG asked me to put him on ignore...I DID, so did DCON I did that and they continue to comment on my posts, even though they KNOW I have ignored them.....why?

 

[Ariel82]

Stephen...you are a glass half empty kind of guy, arent you?