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So really the tares needs to be properly understood. I am understanding why you see it like this PW. You may well be right. The Correct understanding is imperative.
Luk 3:17
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.
Luk 3:17
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.
The thing to see KJ is that apostate Israel enters the New Covenant in AD67-73 through the Baptism of fire
John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
Did not extend the old covenant? Hmm. Okay but were all things restored at the Cross? According to Peter all things were not restored even by the time of Pentecost. See Acts 3:
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But those things which God foretold by the mouth of all His prophets, that the Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, [SUP]20 [/SUP]and that He may send Jesus Christ, who was preached to you before, [SUP]21 [/SUP]whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.
It took the coming parousia (Presence) of Christ to complete the restoration. You place the parousia at the resurrection. Peter contradicts you. He says Christ must return to heaven until the "times of restoration." Peter says that the refreshing comes with the (future to then) presence of the Lord.
The temple was heaven on earth, where God dwelled. The temple didn't pass away until 70 AD. The temple contained the alter and holy of holies. The temple was the "doorway" to God. It was the way for atonement for sin. To complete the refreshing (restoration) of what was lost in the Garden, the temple had to be destroyed. We can't have two temples operating at the same time, the spiritual one we are all part of, while the Jews continued to sacrifice at the old one. What kind of message would that send to the rest of the world?
They were all looking for Christ to return, after He left. Yes, they were looking for His resurrection and they got it. But, they kept talking about His return (parousia) and they were told to be patient but that He would return and not tarry.
Heb 10: [SUP]36 [/SUP]For you have need of endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the promise:[SUP] 37 [/SUP]“For yet a little while, And He who is coming will come and will not tarry.
I guess our futurists friends think 2,000 years is not tarrying. It makes perfect sense to me and seems to be the only solution.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But those things which God foretold by the mouth of all His prophets, that the Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, [SUP]20 [/SUP]and that He may send Jesus Christ, who was preached to you before, [SUP]21 [/SUP]whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.
It took the coming parousia (Presence) of Christ to complete the restoration. You place the parousia at the resurrection. Peter contradicts you. He says Christ must return to heaven until the "times of restoration." Peter says that the refreshing comes with the (future to then) presence of the Lord.
The temple was heaven on earth, where God dwelled. The temple didn't pass away until 70 AD. The temple contained the alter and holy of holies. The temple was the "doorway" to God. It was the way for atonement for sin. To complete the refreshing (restoration) of what was lost in the Garden, the temple had to be destroyed. We can't have two temples operating at the same time, the spiritual one we are all part of, while the Jews continued to sacrifice at the old one. What kind of message would that send to the rest of the world?
They were all looking for Christ to return, after He left. Yes, they were looking for His resurrection and they got it. But, they kept talking about His return (parousia) and they were told to be patient but that He would return and not tarry.
Heb 10: [SUP]36 [/SUP]For you have need of endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the promise:[SUP] 37 [/SUP]“For yet a little while, And He who is coming will come and will not tarry.
I guess our futurists friends think 2,000 years is not tarrying. It makes perfect sense to me and seems to be the only solution.
They were bound AT the Euphrates, not BY the Euphrates. Nothing says they were IN the river either. The 4 angels represented the Roman army (4 legions). In other words, the Roman army was bound at the Euphrates until it was time to go attack Israel.
If you can explain the spiritual meaning of the 6th trumpet, I'm all ears. Titus' army came from there and it was real.
If you can explain the spiritual meaning of the 6th trumpet, I'm all ears. Titus' army came from there and it was real.
Yes, I believe Noah's Flood was global and in the past. I see evidence of it every day.
The only way anyone gets to heaven since 9 Av 70 AD is to die and then (if they are saved) they immediately go to heaven without first having to "sleep" in Hades. This is the teaching and it's right here.
Heb 9: [SUP]26 [/SUP]He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. [SUP]27 [/SUP]And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, [SUP]28 [/SUP]so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
I don't see any mention of a resurrection in the above, do you? I don't see a word about any rapture, do you? I don't see any exceptions to the rule about dying, do you? Notice also that Christ appeared to put away sins by His sacrifice "AT THE END OF THE AGES." Do you see that? I realize two people didn't die, Enoch and Elijah. I get that. But the above gives no exceptions. It doesn't say, "it is appointed for men to die, except the 2.1 billion which will be raptured."
DEATH >>>> JUDGMENT
That's it. That's how it works and has worked since 70 AD. This is how you will get to heaven. It is how I will get to heaven and everyone else who is saved. "All things have been restored" and our path to heaven is now wide open and clear. I get that it is very appealing, the idea that maybe you won't have to die. Who wants to die? In the history of the planet only two mortal men didn't die PERIOD and I can't find any passage where this happens to anyone else.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news VCO, but you are going to die someday. I hope it won't be for a very long time and may you live to 105. But when you are approaching that day and haven't been raptured, think of me and have comfort that you will be with the Lord in mere moments after you pass.
The only way anyone gets to heaven since 9 Av 70 AD is to die and then (if they are saved) they immediately go to heaven without first having to "sleep" in Hades. This is the teaching and it's right here.
Heb 9: [SUP]26 [/SUP]He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. [SUP]27 [/SUP]And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, [SUP]28 [/SUP]so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
I don't see any mention of a resurrection in the above, do you? I don't see a word about any rapture, do you? I don't see any exceptions to the rule about dying, do you? Notice also that Christ appeared to put away sins by His sacrifice "AT THE END OF THE AGES." Do you see that? I realize two people didn't die, Enoch and Elijah. I get that. But the above gives no exceptions. It doesn't say, "it is appointed for men to die, except the 2.1 billion which will be raptured."
DEATH >>>> JUDGMENT
That's it. That's how it works and has worked since 70 AD. This is how you will get to heaven. It is how I will get to heaven and everyone else who is saved. "All things have been restored" and our path to heaven is now wide open and clear. I get that it is very appealing, the idea that maybe you won't have to die. Who wants to die? In the history of the planet only two mortal men didn't die PERIOD and I can't find any passage where this happens to anyone else.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news VCO, but you are going to die someday. I hope it won't be for a very long time and may you live to 105. But when you are approaching that day and haven't been raptured, think of me and have comfort that you will be with the Lord in mere moments after you pass.
Someone needs to tell Solomon that the world is coming to an end. I thought he was the wisest man to ever live. Guess he blew it on this one.
Ecc 1:4: One generation passes away, and another generation comes; But the earth abides forever.
The psalmist was equally dumb:
Psm 78:69: And He built His sanctuary like the heights, Like the earth which He has established forever.
Psm 104: You who laid the foundations of the earth, So that it should not be moved forever
Maybe look for another meaning for the "heavens and earth" passing away. Either that or call David and Solomon liars. You have 2 witnesses and 3 passages. You know what that means, right?
Mt 18: [SUP]16 [/SUP]But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Ecc 1:4: One generation passes away, and another generation comes; But the earth abides forever.
The psalmist was equally dumb:
Psm 78:69: And He built His sanctuary like the heights, Like the earth which He has established forever.
Psm 104: You who laid the foundations of the earth, So that it should not be moved forever
Maybe look for another meaning for the "heavens and earth" passing away. Either that or call David and Solomon liars. You have 2 witnesses and 3 passages. You know what that means, right?
Mt 18: [SUP]16 [/SUP]But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Should we put them in first grade, LOL? I know, that was wrong. Why do I keep doing that? They can believe what they want. I used to believe in Santa Claus once like in the first grade. Man was I so upset when my older brother told me there was no Santa. Took me months to get over it. I was so mad at my mother for lying to me and making me watch all those Santa Christmas shows. Next someone is going to tell me there is no Rudolph with a red nose. I better not find out they were lying about the reindeer too, and the elves. I love the elves!!!!
Let me try to explain it one more time L.
Exodus 12:5-6 KJV
Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats: [6] And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
That verse is part of the law, people under the law had to do that.
That verse is also a PROPHECY that Jesus would be our sacrifice.
That prophecy was fulfilled in Christ on the cross, ending the need for animal sacrifices... Christ's blood covers their sins from that point forward, the law ended when Christ became their righteousness. If you're righteous through Christ, what purpose does the law have?
The law ended but not ALL the PROPHECIES in the law were fulfilled, some of the law prophecies were fulfilled AFTER the law ended.
Matthew 5:18 KJV
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Exodus 12:5-6 KJV
Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats: [6] And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
That verse is part of the law, people under the law had to do that.
That verse is also a PROPHECY that Jesus would be our sacrifice.
That prophecy was fulfilled in Christ on the cross, ending the need for animal sacrifices... Christ's blood covers their sins from that point forward, the law ended when Christ became their righteousness. If you're righteous through Christ, what purpose does the law have?
The law ended but not ALL the PROPHECIES in the law were fulfilled, some of the law prophecies were fulfilled AFTER the law ended.
Matthew 5:18 KJV
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
It's not just about when the Law ended or didn't end. I agree, for Christians, it ended at the Cross. However, God also made a covenant with Abraham and with the nation of Israel. Part of that covenant dealt with them keeping His commandments (Law). Yes Christ made a new covenant but not with Israel but rather for all who believed. But the old covenant with Israel which they broke due to sin and disobedience and rejection of Christ, the new covenant, was still active and being practiced (although very badly) by national Israel.
The temple was a mirror of the temple in heaven. It was a copy. The new covenant makes the old one obsolete but it didn't immediately pass away, rather it began to pass away. See Heb 8:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
But it had not vanished away yet, right? The discussion goes well into Heb 9. The point is, the temple (which represented heaven on earth) had to go to finish the process of obsoleting the law. This is why the last age ended in 70 AD although the new age (the age to come) began at the Cross after 40 years of instruction just as they had 40 years of instruction of the Law given by Moses.
The temple was a mirror of the temple in heaven. It was a copy. The new covenant makes the old one obsolete but it didn't immediately pass away, rather it began to pass away. See Heb 8:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
But it had not vanished away yet, right? The discussion goes well into Heb 9. The point is, the temple (which represented heaven on earth) had to go to finish the process of obsoleting the law. This is why the last age ended in 70 AD although the new age (the age to come) began at the Cross after 40 years of instruction just as they had 40 years of instruction of the Law given by Moses.