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Dagallen

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That they return to God as they came from God (gen 2.7). His breath (or ruach) returns to Him.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 has nothing to do with breath, as breath is Metaphorically speaking, it also says the spirit is like the wind, again that Metaphorically speaking.
 
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Dagallen

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That they return to God as they came from God (gen 2.7). His breath (or ruach) returns to Him.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 has nothing to do with breath, as breath is Metaphorically speaking, it also says the spirit is like the wind, again that Metaphorically speaking.
 
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The Hebrew word for "spirit" (ruach) can also apply to breath. This is simply speaking of the breath of life. God gives life to each person, and when people die they stop breathing. The souls and spirits of the unsaved and evildoers do not go to God. They go to Hades and will eventually go to Hell.

Also our spirits are within our souls, and our souls are within our bodies. But the whole person is a creature -- a created being. But you said that Jesus was an uncreated spirit and that can only apply to God. So now you must accept as true what you have said, and simply believe that Jesus is God.
Who created Hell?
 
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But now we have no free will until we are saved. We have a will bound by prejudice, upbringing, custom and ignorance,
You do have the freedom of will to change your ignorance.
 
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Satan still had access to the heavenly realm for a long time after he rebelled. Right up to 1914, in fact.
 
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Any one care to share their thoughts, also from the word of why you believe that the trinity is the right way to view God? or even if you do not believe it and care to say why.
I myself do not believe the doctrine of the trinity, but I am not against those that do, nor do I believe it's dependent on a person's salvation.
I do not agree that Jesus is GOD, OR THAT THEY ARE EQUAL. The 1st testament leaves no question about it that God is one there is NO other like him
 

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Ecclesiastes 12:7 has nothing to do with breath, as breath is Metaphorically speaking, it also says the spirit is like the wind, again that Metaphorically speaking.
lol who are you to say so?
 

valiant

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You do have the freedom of will to change your ignorance.
But the Bible teaches a triune God, it is you who are ignorant.

[FONT=Georgia, serif]Acts 20:28[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] Take heed to yourselves, and to all the flock, in the which the Holy Ghost has made you bishops, to feed the church of God, which[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] He purchased with his own blood.[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Tit 2:13[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ; [/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]2Pe 1:1[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained a like precious faith with us in the righteousness of [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]our God and Saviour Jesus Christ:[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Rev 22:12-13[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to render to each man according as his work is. [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif](Compare 1.8 I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God, which is and which was and which is to come, the Almighty).[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Heb 1:8-9[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] but of the Son he says,[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] Your throne, [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]O God[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif], is for ever and ever; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of your kingdom. Y[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]ou have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; Therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Col 2.8-9 and not after Christ: [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] for in Him dwells [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]all the fulness of the Godhead bodily[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif],[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Php 2:5-11[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] Have this mind in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]who,[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] being in the form of God,[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] counted it not a prize to be on an equality with God, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men; and being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself, becoming obedient [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]even[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] to death, yea, the death of the cross. Wherefore also God highly exalted Him, and gave to Him [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]the name which is above every name[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]; that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]things[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] in heaven and [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]things[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] on earth and [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]things[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] Lord[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif], to the glory of God the Father. [/FONT]
 

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I do not agree that Jesus is GOD, OR THAT THEY ARE EQUAL. The 1st testament leaves no question about it that God is one there is NO other like him
Well gdyloves, if you don't believe Jesus is GOD why does the Apostle Thomas say that Jesus Christ is his "Lord and God" at John 20:28? Furthermore, why does not Jesus after hearing the declaration of Thomas not correct Thomas and say he is to worship God alone.

Secondly, on what basis did the Pharisees want to kill Jesus at John 5:17,18" "But He/Jesus answered them, "My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working." Vs18, "For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because he not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, MAKING HIMSELF EQUAL WITH GOD." Please explain and welcome to CC. :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
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valiant

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I do not agree that Jesus is GOD, OR THAT THEY ARE EQUAL. The 1st testament leaves no question about it that God is one there is NO other like him
But Jesus made clear that He was God become man, and the Apostles acknowledged it in their letters.

There is only one God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, but revealed in Threeness (Matth 28.19).
 
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Well gdyloves, if you don't believe Jesus is GOD why does the Apostle Thomas say that Jesus Christ is his "Lord and God" at John 20:28? Furthermore, why does not Jesus after hearing the declaration of Thomas not correct Thomas and say he is to worship God alone.

Secondly, on what basis did the Pharisees want to kill Jesus at John 5:17,18" "But He/Jesus answered them, "My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working." Vs18, "For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because he not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, MAKING HIMSELF EQUAL WITH GOD." Please explain and welcome to CC. :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
THANK you, glad to be here.

I don't know why Thomas said that let me reread the passage think about it and then I'll give my thoughts.

The Pharisees wanted to kill Jesus cause it was in Their heart to do so. Alot of the things the did and said were Wrong that's why Jesus knocked over the tables

On reaching Jerusalem, Jesus entered the temple courts and began driving out those who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves, 16 and would not allow anyone to carry merchandise through the temple courts. 17 And as he taught them, he said, “Is it not written: ‘My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations? But you have made it ‘a den of robbers.’”

18 The chief priests and the teachers of the law heard this and began looking for a way to kill him, for they feared him, because the whole crowd was amazed at his teaching.
Mark 11:15-18

Now my turn to ask a question.
When a certain ruler came to Jesus and called him good why did Jesus reply
“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.
 
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There is only one God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, but revealed in Threeness (Matth 28.19).
But the father has all authority even over the son right?
In other words God would still be God without Jesus. But apart from God, Jesus would not be
 
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Dagallen

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But the father has all authority even over the son right?
In other words God would still be God without Jesus. But apart from God, Jesus would not be
Very well put and a fair question as well.
 
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But the father has all authority even over the son right?
In other words God would still be God without Jesus. But apart from God, Jesus would not be
Jesus and God is the same thing. One essence.
 
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Dagallen

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"the Word was God."
J 1:1

Done.
John 16:25 These things have I spoken in proverbs but the time shall come, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs but I shall show you plainly of the Father. John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know You the only true God and me who you have sent. John 17:4 I have glorified You on the earth, I have finished the work which You gave me to do. John 17:5 And now , O Father, glorify me with Yourself with the glory which I had with You before the world was. ( Plainly his Father is the only true God, Jesus is not the Father, it doesn't get any plainer than that. )
 

valiant

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But the father has all authority even over the son right?
In other words God would still be God without Jesus. But apart from God, Jesus would not be
The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one God in Threeness from eternity. But the Son became man and as Jesus submitted to the authority of the Father, for our sakes (Phil 2.5-11).

The Son however remains as God and God would be incomplete without Him.