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Women pastors / preachers? What does the Bible say about women in ministry?
Women pastors / preachers? What does the Bible say about women in ministry?
Do you support female pastors?
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I did a study a while back and have given to my friend to read but will get it back tomoro and post. When you read this this chapter in Corinthians though keep in mind that he was dealing with the whole issue of a church service. When he spoke concerning the gifts they were not for men only. It spoke of all speaking in tingues, praying and prophesying. to do this you obviously must speak. In that day the women were known to call out to their husbands asking what was being spoken about, you can tell this by how it continues to the next verse, they were trying to learn but being disruptive in doing it in the assembly and asking their husbands questions and further notice that it is their husbands they are subject too!!!! so if it is ok with him then you woulkd have no say. Paul addresses this contentious spirit.........he obviously had no problem with women that were learned in the gospel being taught by a women himself. Acts 18:26: talks of Priscilla and Aquila hearing Paul speak in the synagogue and THEY took him hime and THEY expounded the gospel to him(PAUL). Acts 17:4 speaks of "chief women" - chief in Greek meaning to lead. Titus 2:3 women - teachers of good things.Philemon 4:3 - speaks of helping the women who labored with me in the gospel. So yes if a women is unlearned and disruptive in church i also say Silence. If learned and anointed for such a time as this I will not question who God decides to anoint to preach the good news!
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lets face it; it is natural for men to be the leaders because they are objective and not overly emotional
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I am submitted to a female who is an Apostle.. she is one of the soundest, most genuine, accurate, anointed, amazing leaders in the kingdom that I have ever experienced after 14 years as a Christian. God is so obviously in our midst that there is no doubt in my mind that she is chosen and appointed of God to fulfill the work that she oversees. The is male and female in the flesh but in the spirit, where gifts and callings and offices are established, in the spirit, there is no distinction. But this will become very clear in the times ahead because people are gonna start dying again in the presence of the apostles, because of the authority the weild. "you don't lie to me, you lie to the Holy Spirit!" You don't get any more authoritive than that - ananias was staring directly into the eyes of Peter the apostle and when he realised it wasn't Peter but God he was speaking to, he dropped down dead. So when these kind of things starts happening again and its male AND female Apostles that it comes through, there wont be any question hey? Even if you still believed that she was not of God - "How could she be! God doesnt use woman as apostles or leaders or anything other than humble servants to their husbands!" - you wont be game to test the theory ay? LOL
Listen to this person. This is the correct context as far as i've studied the word.
Women in general has little learning in the scripture back then and then there's the historical context of who Paul is talking to. “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11-12). LEARN, women in that church had to learn in quietness because they were trying to cause a ruckus and disrupt things, but Paul wanted women in that church to learn rather than asking questions by confronting the men in church (which was something taboo in the place he was writing to) .
In things like this (or really all scripture) always be aware of who is saying what to who and why and when with what context. Paul's comments about women are so far taken out of context some churches won't allow women to even talk in churches or teach a Sunday school class or even teach their own women! It's ridiculous. I don't know about being a pastor, but the bible shows females who have deacon.deaconess like responsibilities and deacons have to be able to teach even though it's not their main function. i think Phobe was one of them.
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Thankyou....Also when you acknowledge that it was Paul talking about the gifts earlier in Corinthians where they were for all not just men (otherwise would state) then you know that by the time you get to the passage where it talks about women being silent that the there is a reason for this and a different context. Also the fact that it was Aquila and Priscilla that expounded the gospel to Paul and that expounding the gospel has the same relevance as teaching (one of the gifts) that obviously does not entail silence, you also know that careful study to interpret Pauls later teaching on women in church must be undertaken. Then you take into account that God used prophetesses in OT (another gift that does not entail silence) and is another gift given in NT then women being silent altogether makes no sense unless taken out of context of what Paul was really trying to say and why there was a need for addressing this problem. (something he was doing in all his letters to the churches was edifying them whilst addressing their issues that arose out of the different settings and cultures of each place)
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I don't think the culture, or that women were typically unlearned in that time for a couple reasons, for one, some of the apostles were unlearned and God used them just fine. It was actually part of the demonstration of His power. Two, Paul bases his instructions on what should take place in church on Adam and Eve.
1Tim 2
13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
From my understanding of the whole of scripture concerning this in the N.T., it doesn't to me imply that there are no circumstances where women should teach men or witness to them, but that it should be men that are the established leadership in church. The ideal of male headship seems to be well established in scripture, as it even points to Jesus as the head of the church (leader) and the church is refered to as the bride. Paul also likens the New Covenant to the marriage covenant in regards to roles of everybody.
I think alot of what is going on in churches today regarding this issue doesn't stem from the bible but from culture and it's bombardment of our minds that humbling yourself and submitting/serving another is degrading and an infriction of liberty. Implying that it is evil and not a godly quality. That runs contrary to the gospel of Jesus Christ. Jesus said to humble ourselves, and while I know that is not something that comes easily for all of us, I do not think it is a degrading thing to do. Whoever humbles themselves will be exalted.
1Tim 2
13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
From my understanding of the whole of scripture concerning this in the N.T., it doesn't to me imply that there are no circumstances where women should teach men or witness to them, but that it should be men that are the established leadership in church. The ideal of male headship seems to be well established in scripture, as it even points to Jesus as the head of the church (leader) and the church is refered to as the bride. Paul also likens the New Covenant to the marriage covenant in regards to roles of everybody.
I think alot of what is going on in churches today regarding this issue doesn't stem from the bible but from culture and it's bombardment of our minds that humbling yourself and submitting/serving another is degrading and an infriction of liberty. Implying that it is evil and not a godly quality. That runs contrary to the gospel of Jesus Christ. Jesus said to humble ourselves, and while I know that is not something that comes easily for all of us, I do not think it is a degrading thing to do. Whoever humbles themselves will be exalted.