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stonesoffire

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I can share why we forgive ourselves and love ourselves. This just recently came to me. It's because we are members of His body and to not love ourselves, is to not love Him.
 
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Did the world deserve His death? After all He did die for all the world.
 
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stonesoffire said:
I just don't like that word deserve either. We are precious to Him...worthy to Him because He viewed us of worth to save. But, deserved does sound like we did something to earn just as someone said...I think it was McGee but not sure.
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If you were starving because an enemy was keeping food from you intentionally and a soldier rescued you because you need to be free and eat again....

what did he feel...he felt that you deserved to be free and he felt you deserved a meal...
 
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i feel EVEN THOUGH i didnt deserve it he STILL loved me enough to die for everyone

and give us all a way out

but from a perspective... what was it i did to deserve it?


if we are looking at deserve as something God shows grace to...

well...
lol then i suppose by God i deserve it

but my personal definition of deserve is = to earn


so its hard for me to make a stretch like that
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the Pharisee thought he deserve it, that's why they rejected Christ, because he told them they did not. And that fended them
 
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Meggido said:
If you were starving because an enemy was keeping food from you intentionally and a soldier rescued you because you need to be free and eat again....

what did he feel...he felt that you deserved to be free and he felt you deserved a meal...
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well why did she have an enemy?

did she steal all his food

ignore his warnings?

kill his children?

lying all the way given many chances?

lol i totally get what youre sayin

i really do

and i feel you get what im saying too
 
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NoNameMcgee said:
i feel EVEN THOUGH i didnt deserve it he STILL loved me enough to die for everyone

and give us all a way out

but from a perspective... what was it i did to deserve it?


if we are looking at deserve as something God shows grace to...

well...
lol then i suppose by God i deserve it

but my personal definition of deserve is = to earn


so its hard for me to make a stretch like that
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NNM you on the right path brother and you are also a ray of light....keep walking it out...
 
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Meggido said:
If you were starving because an enemy was keeping food from you intentionally and a soldier rescued you because you need to be free and eat again....

what did he feel...he felt that you deserved to be free and he felt you deserved a meal...
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Or he was compassionate towards me and desired to set me free. That's how I view the Lord.
 
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stonesoffire said:
Meggido was saying we still have choice. While that is true, would not the fact that when we first chose to believe and was sealed in spirit, that God is declaring His having made His choice of us?

Can our choices override Gods? I would think not. It's done.
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There is no salvation and then walking away and losing it...that is a lie from hell....anyone who walks away was never of us to begin with per JOHN.....they never had salvation to begin with!!
 
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stonesoffire said:
Or he was compassionate towards me and desired to set me free. That's how I view the Lord.
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I served my country because I love it, not because I thought she deserved it. Quite frankly I do not think she deserves it today, but I still love her and would serve her still
 
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The point you are making though Meggido...to identify now with His righteousness, rather than our sinful past that we died with Jesus in His death, and are now risen with in resurrection life. True?

Do we have to deserve it to realize it?
 
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Meggido said:
How much plainer does one have to make this? why don't you clarify?
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God showed His own love for us in this: while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. He gave His life for the sins of the whole world. Those are paraphrases, not direct quotes from Scripture. Those who are lost are those who have not yet repented and believed. They are in rebellion against Him. Your turn :)
 
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NoNameMcgee said:
You would have to be pretty blind to not see the evidence of the Holy spirit....
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You got that right. Doctrines of late have taught the lie of no evidence of conversion. It is not a biblical doctrine, and many are deceived by that lie. Then, on the other hand, when you teach evidence of conversion some automatically run to the misnomer of "You're preaching a works gospel, or a burdensome gospel!"

I say "Really, now?" The working of God in us, (Philippians 1:6; 2:12, 13; 1 John 5:3; Matthew 11:30) is actually a burden? Some need to rethink their theology, this "no evidence" doctrine has done much damage to the church and to proper Gospel theology. There is no way one can have the fruit of the Spirit and show no evidence; Galatians 5:22-23.

but none of us payed for grace... none of us deserved what Jesus did for us...
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Exactly correct, unconditional election. Undeserved. Unmerited. Unchangeable.
 
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dcontroversal said:
There is no salvation and then walking away and losing it...that is a lie from hell....anyone who walks away was never of us to begin with per JOHN.....they never had salvation to begin with!!
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I agree. We are drawn by Him, chosen by Him, sealed within by Him, and we are faithful because He is faithful to us. Same as we love Him because He first loved us.
 
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stonesoffire said:
The point you are making though Meggido...to identify now with His righteousness, rather than our sinful past that we died with Jesus in His death, and are now risen with in resurrection life. True?

Do we have to deserve it to realize it?
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We need to get humble before Him to realize it, illuminated by the Holy Spirit of God :)
 
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