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Meggido

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Magenta said:
You backed up the view that Jesus is righteous, but that was not the point you were wishing to make, was it? No, your point was that we are worthy, when Christ died for us not due to our worthiness, but because of His great everlasting love for us. Only HE is worthy, and that is a solid Biblical view, while yours is not. I am home from work now, but will be going out for a couple of hours. That is not running away or vanishing regardless of how you wish to puff yourself up.
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You stated nobody is righteous yes or no? The Bible says we are made righteous through faith, you disagreed with the verses I used to show you that we are made righteous , you still disagree, which means you disagree with the Bible.....
 
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Meggido said:
I said what needed to be said....if anyone has a real question and not a witch hunt..PM me...
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Every jot & tittle of your posts are scrutinized for accuracy of doctrine, spelling, and word usage.

Fault-finding little bunch, aren't they?

Aaannd, they so full of love when they do it..... Yeah, that's what they say it is.

I never knew until I came into threads like this one that love was dark brown.
 
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If this is what happens to a man who fathoms so-called deeper truths, I want no parts of them.
 
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Meggido

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Every jot & tittle of your posts are scrutinized for accuracy of doctrine, spelling, and word usage.

Fault-finding little bunch, aren't they?

Aaannd, they so full of love when they do it..... Yeah, that's what they say it is.

I never knew until I came into threads like this one that love was dark brown.
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When you catch them in the state of hypocrisy it triggers the responses and non related requests to explain things not central to the current thought......Now when the Mod shows up again, watch certain ones all wipe their mouths and be like...hey...yea we did nothing wrong.,...
 
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Meggido said:
I see many here talk big about grace and faith and still view themselves as unworthy of it all......sounds real humble....but it speaks to not knowing what grace gave you....I am saying this as delicate as I can...
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Ok, I think I might see what the problem is . Maybe you all have it worked out by now too since I am behind.

I am looking before new birth. Unworthy. In your post here, it sounds like you mean after the new birth. I can see this as when the divine image is formed in the body...and we are actually One with Him in His presence. We will share as the Sons of God.

Now this might be a new thought to others...but its what Jesus died for and brought Sonship to men.
 
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Meggido said:
James 1.17-18
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Every good thing given and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shifting shadow. [SUP]18 [/SUP]In the exercise of His will He brought us forth by the word of truth, so that we would be a kind of first fruits among His creatures.

Matt 7.9-11

[SUP]7 [/SUP]“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Or what man is there among you who, when his son asks for a loaf, will give him a stone? [SUP]10 [/SUP]Or if he asks for a fish, he will not give him a snake, will he? [SUP]11 [/SUP]If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give what is good to those who ask Him!

Luke 11.9-13


[SUP]9 [/SUP]“So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For everyone who asks, receives; and he who seeks, finds; and to him who knocks, it will be opened. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Now suppose one of you fathers is asked by his son for a fish; he will not give him a snake instead of a fish, will he? [SUP]12 [/SUP]Or if he is asked for an egg, he will not give him a scorpion, will he? [SUP]13 [/SUP]If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?”

Sounds to me that we are deserving of every good and perfect gift....do you see it now...
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Indeed but "Only" "After" one is Saved,not one person on the face of this earth,"Deserved" for Jesus to die for them,yet he did die for "All" including you and me,it was because of his promise,compassion and mercy toward all that God came in flesh and died for our sins,and "Only" after we ask to be saved and accept Jesus as saviour,can we receive Salvation as well as the Holy spirit and be "Worthy" of anything at all,one must remember whom was always worthy and whom was "Made" worthy through Salvation and the Holy spirit,we were never deserving of God's mercy and sacrifice,before we were saved,only after accepting both Salvation and the Holy spirit can we do right through the holy spirit and be "Worthy" of any great blessing especially Salvation,but one must remember whom is the Master and whom is the "Servant".
 
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stonesoffire said:
Ok, I think I might see what the problem is . Maybe you all have it worked out by now too since I am behind.

I am looking before new birth. Unworthy. In your post here, it sounds like you mean after the new birth. I can see this as when the divine image is formed in the body...and we are actually One with Him in His presence. We will share as the Sons of God.

Now this might be a new thought to others...but its what Jesus died for and brought Sonship to men.
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Well it is not worked out....when the Mod shows up they can explain everything to him....
 
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Meggido

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joefizz said:
Indeed but "Only" "After" one is Saved,not one person on the face of this earth,"Deserved" for Jesus to die for them,yet he did die for "All" including you and me,it was because of his promise,compassion and mercy toward all that God came in flesh and died for our sins,and "Only" after we ask to be saved and accept Jesus as saviour,can we receive Salvation as well as the Holy spirit and be "Worthy" of anything at all,one must remember whom was always worthy and whom was "Made" worthy through Salvation and the Holy spirit,we were never deserving of God's mercy and sacrifice,before we were saved,only after accepting both Salvation and the Holy spirit can we do right through the holy spirit and be "Worthy" of any great blessing especially Salvation,but one must remember whom is the Master and whom is the "Servant".
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Joe, bless you....let it go...
 
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Limey410v2 said:
I don't even know what hyper-grace is my man.
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You have an internet..... use it.
Is it something we are warned of in Revelations?
Please provide me with scripture so I may understand from the Word what it might be.
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No, do your own searching.
I do know that G777 speaks truth from scripture. You call that what you want.
When I hear something that the Spirit confirms to me as true, it is what it is.
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I tend to prove it with my Bible. It will always prove what spirit you're listening to.
However neither he nor I need to defend ourselves to you.
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Who's asking you to?!?

You came to me, remember?

No wonder so many give up & leave.:rolleyes:
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
again, your wrong

belief is defined by the word used,

it means to trust, to have assurance, to believe,

it has has nothing to do with heart purity. That's nonsense, I do not have to be pure of heart to believe, f that was the case, I could never be saved, unless. Made my heart pure which is impossible,

but hey, if you think you can make your heart pure, then by all means keep trying.
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Yes indeed one can not accomplish having a pure heart of themselves,"for the heart is deceitful and out from it proceedeth,lies,murderers,and fornicators",only through Jesus can one(aside from children)be even remotely "Pure of Heart"!
 
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preacher4truth said:
You asked this under a meme of D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones: "He doesn't teach the new creation man Preacher?"

If you were referring to him, I am not sure how you got that question after his quote on this meme:
Maybe re-posting this will refresh your memory as to your question?
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I remember enough that I was responding to what you wrote underneath this. I just can't remember what you wrote but something about hypergrace. I know my response was that if the new creation man is being taught, then Holiness will be a result. Not sin.
 
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joefizz said:
I sought not any "calling out" just merely "doing my job" for God as he calls me to do,bless you my friend!
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I do not have any ill will against you or what you posted.......just needed to regroup....stay blessed.
 
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Meggido said:
I do not have any ill will against you or what you posted.......just needed to regroup....stay blessed.
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Yeah good to gather one's thoughts,for every purpose is a time given for that purpose.
 
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Meggido said:
this is hateful and arrogant...are you having a bad day sister?
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Please be careful.

For example, if ten people slammed you twice each, & you slammed them back for each one, they each have only done it TWICE, while you have done it TWENTY TIMES!

Just a polite heads-up on wolf pack tactics.:)
 
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Meggido

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Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull

again, your wrong

belief is defined by the word used,

it means to trust, to have assurance, to believe,

it has has nothing to do with heart purity. That's nonsense, I do not have to be pure of heart to believe, f that was the case, I could never be saved, unless. Made my heart pure which is impossible,

but hey, if you think you can make your heart pure, then by all means keep trying.
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EG could you explain what you mean here? I am asking because it would appear that your words might be condemning you

Matt 5.8 and Jesus talking...

[SUP]8 [/SUP]“Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.


joefizz said:
Yes indeed one can not accomplish having a pure heart of themselves,"for the heart is deceitful and out from it proceedeth,lies,murderers,and fornicators",only through Jesus can one(aside from children)be even remotely "Pure of Heart"!
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Joe how is it that a babe likes you gets it better than the above poster...Good job...
 
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Meggido said:
When you catch them in the state of hypocrisy it triggers the responses and non related requests to explain things not central to the current thought......Now when the Mod shows up again, watch certain ones all wipe their mouths and be like...hey...yea we did nothing wrong.,...
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Actually, what they do is suck up to the Admin by putting their "likes" all over his posts, then talk for the next 30-40 minutes about how great he is.

I've watched this for years.

Sometimes I wished I was a Mod..... all my shoes would be so spit-shined like a new penny, ROFL!

I wrote something else about kissing, & then realized that would be waaay over the top, being sickening & disgusting, & politely deleted it. Notta gonna happen.:)
 
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