New world order Bible Versions (NIV ESV NKJV etc)

[hornetguy]

If God's word can't be completely trusted, then how does man trust the truth about Jesus? Who is man to say which part to trust and which part not to trust? That's the world's argument. What I posted was just a sample of the many differences concerning truth between the KJV and the new versions.

The biggest change of them all, in my opinion, is the doctrine of faith and justification.

Galatians 2:16

KJV Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

ESV yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

The KJV states the truth that the believer is justified by the faith OF Jesus Christ, not faith in Jesus Christ. All the new versions state that it's man's faith in Christ that justifies. HUGE DIFFERENCE! Whose faith justifies? Christ's or man's? Man's pathetic faith waivers day by day, moment by moment. Christ's faith never waivers. Amen for that.

Yes... blah, blah, blah.... it's ok. YOU can choose to accept the KJV as the only correct translation if you wish. You are basing your judgment of the accuracy of other translations on whether they agree with the KJV.

That's like being taught that a blue ball is actually green, so that for the rest of your life, anything blue is green. Even though more accurate studies into color recognition have shown, and proven, that it is actually blue.

 

[John146]

Yes... blah, blah, blah.... it's ok. YOU can choose to accept the KJV as the only correct translation if you wish. You are basing your judgment of the accuracy of other translations on whether they agree with the KJV.

That's like being taught that a blue ball is actually green, so that for the rest of your life, anything blue is green. Even though more accurate studies into color recognition have shown, and proven, that it is actually blue.

What are you trusting in to justify your soul? Your faith? or Christ's faith? I choose the faith of Jesus Christ. His faith was proven by His obedience unto death, even the death of the cross. Amen.

 

[trofimus]

What are you trusting in to justify your soul? Your faith? or Christ's faith? I choose the faith of Jesus Christ. His faith was proven by His obedience unto death, even the death of the cross. Amen.

Trust God and the Holy Spirit in you, not a printed edition.

The KJV will not justify your soul.

 

[John146]

Trust God and the Holy Spirit in you, not a printed edition.

The KJV will not justify your soul.

"Faith come by hearing and hearing by the word of God."

I learn all I need to know about justification and how to live a justified life through the words of the KVJ.

 

[unobtrusive]

1. The KJV is not a standard of the true Bible so comparing new translations to the KJV (and verses missing or added) is only a proof that it differs, not a proof new translations are wrong.

2. Lucifer is a Latin word meaning "the one bearing life", I hope you realize that originals were not in Latin, the KJV took this word from the Vulgate

3. The number of sold Bibles is not a measurement of anything relevant to the truth.

Try reading the "Complete Jewish Bible" and the Aramaic English New Testament (Peshitta) translations. They are interesting. Manes are more accurate in those.

 

[trofimus]

"Faith come by hearing and hearing by the word of God."

I learn all I need to know about justification and how to live a justified life through the words of the KVJ.

There is a difference between these three terms:
1. Word of God
2. Scriptures
3. Bible

You are in error because you think the Bible will save you.

 

[trofimus]

Try reading the "Complete Jewish Bible" and the Aramaic English New Testament (Peshitta) translations. They are interesting. Manes are more accurate in those.

Names maybe, but the text as such is not

 

[John146]

There is a difference between these three terms:
1. Word of God
2. Scriptures
3. Bible

You are in error because you think the Bible will save you.

When you put your trust in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, where you trusting what the bible has said about the Savior or where you trusting the Savior? The two cannot be separated.

 

[hornetguy]

When you put your trust in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, where you trusting what the bible has said about the Savior or where you trusting the Savior? The two cannot be separated.

So... you are saying that if I teach someone about Jesus, without using the Bible, and during my teaching, the Spirit convicts them, and they want to accept Jesus' gift of salvation, they have no basis for faith in Jesus?

Even you don't believe that, do you? The Spirit can move in our lives with or without the written word, whether that is written in old English, or modern English. Or Spanish.

No matter if it was 30 or 40 scholars in the 17th century, or 70 or 80 scholars in the 20th century.

 

[unobtrusive]

Try reading the "Complete Jewish Bible" and the Aramaic English New Testament (Peshitta) translations. They are interesting. Names are more accurate in those.

Names maybe, but the text as such is not

We use 5 different Bible translations including the KJV. The KJV is written in such as way as to bring questions to my mind, and then I have to research to find a greater truth than what it presents. Middle English is pretty well obsolete these days. With that said, I like to begin with the KJV because it brings more question to my mind than other translations. It's a good enhancer for study.

 

[Dai3234]

1 John 5:7 was inserted to the Textus Receptus by Erasmus because the RCC wanted it to be there. Its in Latin and 3 or 4 late Greek manuscripts.

Thanks for pointed this RCC influence on the TR out.

Strange, everything says 1john 5:7 is in any greek text. And it was what the church fathers spoke in 200AD, so it must have been known earlier for many years, or no-one would know it.

YOUR ALSO DEFEATING YOUR OWN ARGUMENT!!!!!!!!

If you say it is in RCC texts or Greek texts,,,,,and nearly every NEW version Bible including YOUR CATHOLIC BIBLE, ,,,,,REMOVES IT,,,,,your confirming that the others are leaving out verses in your texts....

So your texts are either CORRUPT, FAKE, or your leaving out verses INTENTIONALLY.....

Make your mind up,,,become a Christian,,, and leave Catholicism behind,,, you know it's wrong you Catholic mole

 

[trofimus]

When you put your trust in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, where you trusting what the bible has said about the Savior or where you trusting the Savior? The two cannot be separated.

But the forgiveness of sins is not lost in modern translations!!!! So you do not need the KJV for that.

Your examples of corruption are some numbers and Goliath. Then you argue that you need the Bible for forgiveness of sins. Quite a jump.

 

[trofimus]

Strange, everything says 1john 5:7 is in any greek text. And it was what the church fathers spoke in 200AD, so it must have been known earlier for many years, or no-one would know it.

YOUR ALSO DEFEATING YOUR OWN ARGUMENT!!!!!!!!

If you say it is in RCC texts or Greek texts,,,,,and nearly every NEW version Bible including YOUR CATHOLIC BIBLE, ,,,,,REMOVES IT,,,,,your confirming that the others are leaving out verses in your texts....

So your texts are either CORRUPT, FAKE, or your leaving out verses INTENTIONALLY.....

Make your mind up,,,become a Christian,,, and leave Catholicism behind,,, you know it's wrong you Catholic mole

This was so silly that I think any reaction is useless.

 

[trofimus]

We use 5 different Bible translations including the KJV. The KJV is written in such as way as to bring questions to my mind, and then I have to research to find a greater truth than what it presents. Middle English is pretty well obsolete these days. With that said, I like to begin with the KJV because it brings more question to my mind than other translations. It's a good enhancer for study.

Well, be very careful because the text of the OT is very bad and the the NT text is based on late manuscripts.

Not all questions are for building...

 

[KJV1611]

Well, be very careful because the text of the OT is very bad and the the NT text is based on late manuscripts.

Not all questions are for building...

All Old Testament translations are corrupt aren't they?

 

[Muzungu256]

Remember the Word is Jesus, not the bible. Controversial, but true statement. Watch my new typing style, no more dots people have complained about that to me im trying to learn how to type proper

 

[KJV1611]

Remember the Word is Jesus, not the bible. Controversial, but true statement. Watch my new typing style, no more dots people have complained about that to me im trying to learn how to type proper

I dont see any difference between the word of God and the Word of God, both are the spirit of Christ.

 

[John146]

So... you are saying that if I teach someone about Jesus, without using the Bible, and during my teaching, the Spirit convicts them, and they want to accept Jesus' gift of salvation, they have no basis for faith in Jesus?

Even you don't believe that, do you? The Spirit can move in our lives with or without the written word, whether that is written in old English, or modern English. Or Spanish.

No matter if it was 30 or 40 scholars in the 17th century, or 70 or 80 scholars in the 20th century.

How would you know what to teach them concerning Jesus? Where did you learn about Jesus?

 

[trofimus]

All Old Testament translations are corrupt aren't they?

In your definition of the word "corrupt", i.e. "not 100% of words are perfect", yes.

But some are better preserved and some are really bad. The KJV falls into the second category.

 

[John146]

But the forgiveness of sins is not lost in modern translations!!!! So you do not need the KJV for that.

Your examples of corruption are some numbers and Goliath. Then you argue that you need the Bible for forgiveness of sins. Quite a jump.

I would never argue that the gospel can be found in the new versions. That's not the debate. The debate is whether or not the new versions can be trusted completely concerning all truth God has for us.