Not By Works

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I think constructively said, we are have made it clear we do not believe in works to earn salvation.....you continue to see this, but ti is not what we have said....ever...
And my contention would be that I MUST REMAIN to REMAIN SAVED.....sorry BRO<---NOTE I did not say PAL.....that if ONE must do something to remain saved<----this equals a self works based result regardless of how it is sliced and diced......and it devalues the promises of JESUS to FINISH and COMPLETE what he started as well as denies the words saved to the uttermost and or KEPT by HIS POWER.......do you not understand that to LOSE salvation all the promises of Christ, verb tense, and the words eternal and or everlasting as applied unto life must be swept under the rug!
 
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What is born again?...the spirit, mind or flesh of a man?
The SPIRIT is born of INCORRUPTIBLE SEED eternally<---THE seed is BEYOND the ability to be corrupted and or die

The MIND is renewed daily by study and transformation (Romans 12:1-2) and is a process that can be stunted and or increased based upon time spent and application is what is learned

The FLESH is dead in sin and will be until the Parousia and Anastasis or change when Jesus comes
 
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The point is the ground. Did the seed take root. Actually the seed is sperma in greek so we have here a picture of the new birth in the good ground. Similar to conception.

and that seed is...

a. Incorruptible
b. Born of GOD
c. Eternal<--Ecclesiastes 3:14

Once a son by birth always a son by birth....NOTHING can change that
 
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staying connected to the vine is on the bases you dont turn evil.. you cant go evil and expect to walk in his kingdom..

satan did that and look what happened to him..

i suppose the workers for will say noone born of the spirit will go evil..

well what do you call walking in his heavens like lucifer did once apon of time ?

when youve worked that out youll know not everyone is the same as you..
 

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staying connected to the vine is on the bases you dont turn evil.. you cant go evil and expect to walk in his kingdom..

satan did that and look what happened to him..

i suppose the workers for will say noone born of the spirit will go evil..

well what do you call walking in his heavens like lucifer did once apon of time ?

when youve worked that out youll know not everyone is the same as you..
Goodness sake my friend everything you say is so off track, non sequitur. Please get someone to help you understand Scripture and theology from square one! So some research, employ God's men; Ephesians 4:11ff. Every single time you post heterodoxy you go deeper into an unsustainable path.

No need to respond, just "change your mind" man, you're so on the wrong path...
 
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I have nothing going for me tonight so I looked through that thread twice. Sevenseas never admitted to being anyone nor was she asked.. if it happened it was another thread..
Excuse me. You do not remember the thread concerning portals?
 

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I have nothing going for me tonight so I looked through that thread twice. Sevenseas never admitted to being anyone nor was she asked.. if it happened it was another thread..
I did too. I had the wrong thread. Try the word of faith thread.
 
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How does Jesus fail and I succeed?..........if I walk away?
Jesus BEGINS and FINISHES the good work of FAITH he BEGINS in US and HE brings it to completion.....

No offence, but how can you say ONE can lose it?

He begins it
He FINISHES it
HE completes IT

HE, HE, HE.......To say you can walk away and LOSE it states...

HE NEVER began it<--why
HE cannot FINISH it<--WHY
HE cannot COMPLETE IT<--WHY

If HE cannot do the ABOVE then HE is weak, false and we are not KEPT by the power of GOD and SAVED to the UTTERMOST

NOT arguing.....my points are VALID.....GOD is either GOD or he is NOT.......and if HE IS....which HE IS...HE can finish, complete, save to the uttermost and KEEP us by HIS power
 
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I've tried to forget the thread on portals...when people won't endure sound doctrine they resort to myths and fables.
 

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Have we entered a portal into another dimension? :eek:

[video=youtube;ylGkm2EHHvE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylGkm2EHHvE[/video]

(DCon, I hope you forgive us for having a little fun in your very serious thread :))
 

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I have left-overs to eat for dinner :D

(You better eat something! :))
Am having a T bone from the grill. Hard to eat beside the computer on a small desk though.... I hope your leftovers are great though.
 
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The angels had a choice,because if that was not true,Lucifer would of never been able to rebel.

Nobody tempted Lucifer,but it came from him,which he was created perfect in his ways,until iniquity was found in him.

If the angels had a choice,then why not people having a choice,and that is because God's kingdom is love.

God said for the bishops to not get lifted up in pride,or else they will fall in to the same condemnation of the devil,and obviously the bishops would be saved initially if they did get lifted up in pride,and gives a warning to them,but if they can never fall why the warning.

Why the warnings in the Bible if it is not possible that the saints can fall if they do not take care to do right.

So that means that sin does affect our relationship with God,and a person that was saved can fall,and be back in an unsaved position if they do not give heed to the truth.

In Revelation Jesus addressed one Church that they left their first love,and were fallen,and to repent,and do the first works,or Jesus would go against them,and another Church Jesus did not find their works perfect before God,and to repent,or Jesus would go against them.

If a person does not continue in the goodness of God,they will be cut off.

The Lord knows them that are His,having this Seal,that those the name the name of Christ depart from iniquity,and awake to righteousness,and sin not,but not all have the knowledge of God,and Paul speaks that to their shame,and do not depart from the living God by the deceitfulness of sin.

But there are millions of people that claim Christ,and say they cannot fall,that live worldly,and hold unto sin,and think they are alright with God,which you can observe them in society,that heap money,and material things to themselves,and enjoy worldliness,while there are people in need,catering to their lusts,and wants,and more time is for their life than the kingdom of God,which they are lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God.

2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

These people were once saved for they escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ,but they went back to enjoying the things of the world,and left the holy commandment delivered unto them.

But some that confessed Christ,and say they cannot fall,did not even go that far as to get rid of all worldliness to begin with,but they thought they were alright despite their sins.

Jesus said thy will be done on earth,as it is in heaven,and the angels are not in heaven sinning,and the ones that did are no longer there,so it is on earth,that if a person that claims Christ,but wants to hold unto sin thinking they are alright with God,will fall in to the same condemnation of the devil,and the Bible gives warnings that a saint can fall if they do not take heed to do what it right.

They say faith alone,and all they have to do is confess Christ,for that is what the Bible says,but do not understand the conditions that go along with them,which it should be a given that the conditions are to abstain from sin by the Spirit,and do works of the Spirit,which the Bible says it is so.

Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling,and stop playing around,for you have responsibility to do what is right,for the Spirit will not twist your arm to live for God,and some do not make the grade because they do not want to get rid of the worldly ways.

1Co 9:26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Castaway
adokimos
ad-ok'-ee-mos
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1384; unapproved, that is, rejected; by implication worthless (literally or morally): - castaway, rejected, reprobate.
 
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1. he did not finish what he started, he could not hold you or work enough in you to keep you from falling
2. He aloud you to overpower him and pull away from him
3, he predestined you falsely because he thought you would have faith, when in the end you did not
4, he did not know you would pull away, so he gave you promises, and you made him look bad because he was notable to keep those promises
5, he gave you eternal life, based him his promise, and had to take it back making his promise look bad.

How many more more do you want?
AMEN....I cannot get past saved to the uttermost, kept by the POWER of GOD, He begins and finishes our faith and will complete the work HE BEGAN.......to say one can walk away lost denies all of the above and negates the power of God to keep us.