Where does Jesus Speak about the Millennium?
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You do know your statement goes both ways right? <--------I say this with all due respect......Your not always right bro in your view......and yes I know that boot fits me as well.....the word is Mountains....Rome does not sit on mountains, but rather HILLS......and the concept I gave fits......DANIEL supports this concept of KINGDOMS and from DANIEL's prophecy he lays OUT FOUR KINGDOMS yet to arise......before HIM EGYPT, ASSYIA and BABYLON had run their course.....LEFT were PERSIA, GREECE, ROME and what ROME devolves INTO, which is the 10 HORNED KINGDOM. THAT makes 7 KINGDOMS to rule over the MIDDLE EAST
EGYPT, ASSYRIA, BABYLON, PERSIA, GREECE, ROME, 10 HORNED BEAST out of ROME
THE LITTLE HORN, KING of FIERCE countenance which is of the 7, subdues 3 of the 10 horns unto HIMSELF and this results in the 8th and FINAL kingdom to rule the MIDDLE EAST....the kingdom of the BEAST......
THANKS bro....I will go with the above, because it fits DANIEL and REVELATION...........
EGYPT, ASSYRIA, BABYLON, PERSIA, GREECE, ROME, 10 HORNED BEAST out of ROME
THE LITTLE HORN, KING of FIERCE countenance which is of the 7, subdues 3 of the 10 horns unto HIMSELF and this results in the 8th and FINAL kingdom to rule the MIDDLE EAST....the kingdom of the BEAST......
THANKS bro....I will go with the above, because it fits DANIEL and REVELATION...........
While the word Millenium is not used; this certainly speaks of it:
1 Co 15:24-28
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
KJV
1 Co 15:24-28
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
KJV
Daniel states there are four YET to arise because 3 of the 7 have already been Egypt, Assyria and Babylon.....that LEAVES the 4 DANIEL addresses........PERSIA, GREECE, ROME and what ROME devolves into--->the 10 horned KINGDOM.....simple math
The beast is part of the 7th and rises up and subdues 3 of the 10 horns unto himself which = the 8th and final KINGDOM John addresses is Revelation.
The beast is part of the 7th and rises up and subdues 3 of the 10 horns unto himself which = the 8th and final KINGDOM John addresses is Revelation.
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Sorry haven't read the other posts, but is this what you had in mind.
2 Peter 3:8 NKJV
[8] But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day
is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Revelation 11:3 NKJV
[3] And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy
one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth."
Revelation 12:6 NKJV
[6] Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place
prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two
hundred and sixty days.
Revelation 20:5 NKJV
[5] But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years
were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Revelation 20:6 NKJV
[6] Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such
the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ,
and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
Revelation 20:7 NKJV
[7] Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison
2 Peter 3:8 NKJV
[8] But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day
is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Revelation 11:3 NKJV
[3] And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy
one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth."
Revelation 12:6 NKJV
[6] Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place
prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two
hundred and sixty days.
Revelation 20:5 NKJV
[5] But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years
were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Revelation 20:6 NKJV
[6] Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such
the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ,
and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
Revelation 20:7 NKJV
[7] Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison
I agree with the bolded part above! Unfortunately, dispensationalists have told me many times, including recently on CC, that I am not saved, and going to be left behind, because I take issue with dispensationalism. Eschatology does NOT determine salvation, I have said many times. And yet, there are many brainwashed dispensationalists who believe this.
And this is not an isolated issue. A few years back, I went into a forum run by dispies. I did not say what I believed. I tried to talk about theology we all agreed on.
But what I found, was that dispensationalism invaded every post and every thread. People who were not dispensationalists were condemned as going to hell, over and over. Now, I know how wrong this is, but to even suggest people were saved by grace through faith was to get banned. It was a cult!
I've been in other forums where there is this assumption if you don't believe in a Pre-trib rapture, and premillennialism, then you are in your way to hell.
What an insidious doctrine!! And I am not talking about historic pre-millennialism, if that is what you are! I know people who fall under this, and they believe in salvation through Christ, not salvation through narrow minded eschatology! I may not agree with their end times view, but I can agree we all are expecting the second coming of Jesus. And we are saved by God, not a rapture, pre, mid or post trib!
As for denigrating others- well, I have sat back for too long and let aggressive people preach a wrong doctrine on end times. So, if countering one person specifically, who rarely posts anything but his twisted end times view means I am denigrating that person, so be it! But I won't stand by any longer and let dispies try and set the agenda with their false doctrine.
But my purpose is to stand against bad doctrine, not against individuals. But if an individual constantly proclaims this false and unbiblical doctrine, well, then my hope is they will re-examine their beliefs, and maybe find that what they were pushing wasn't the truth at all!
He doesn't and that's why this kind of dispensational thinking fails.
Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Josephus in his "Wars of the Jews" states that the rivaling Israelite factions divided the the city into three parts:
When therefore Titus had marched over that desert which lies between Egypt and Syria, in the manner forementioned, he came to Cesarea: having resolved to set his forces in order at that place, before he began the war.
Nay indeed while he was assisting his father at Alexandria, in settling that government which had been newly conferred upon them by God, it so happened, that the sedition at Jerusalem was revived, and parted into three factions and that one faction fought against the other… one should not mistake if he called it a sedition begotten by another sedition, and to be like a wild beast grown mad, which for want of food from abroad, fell now upon eating its own flesh.
.....And now there were three treacherous factions in the city, the one parted from the other.
Josephus "War" Book 5, chapter 1
Nay indeed while he was assisting his father at Alexandria, in settling that government which had been newly conferred upon them by God, it so happened, that the sedition at Jerusalem was revived, and parted into three factions and that one faction fought against the other… one should not mistake if he called it a sedition begotten by another sedition, and to be like a wild beast grown mad, which for want of food from abroad, fell now upon eating its own flesh.
.....And now there were three treacherous factions in the city, the one parted from the other.
Josephus "War" Book 5, chapter 1
Back to the future.
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Your missing the point bro.......the first three are not mentioned because they have already BEEN.......and note......when Daniel writes this BABYLON was ALREADY in POWER and on the decline so the 4 mentioned that SHALL arise CANNOT include BABYLON.....
These great beasts, which are four in number, are four kings who will arise from the earth. <----YET FUTURE and CANNOT contextually fit BABYLON
These great beasts, which are four in number, are four kings who will arise from the earth. <----YET FUTURE and CANNOT contextually fit BABYLON
No DC. In chapter 2 Daniel tells Nebuchadnezzar that he is the first king seen in the vision. Babylon is the first kingdom. In Chapter 7, Babylon has already fallen which leaves only three kingdoms remaining. In chapter 11 Daniel gives the historical breakdown of the events that surrounded the remaining four kingdoms. You are having to force the others into the narrative.