Whose Faith? Ours or Jesus'?
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Hi Depleted,
I haven't had a chance to look at them yet.
So do you think that you don't have your own faith that you live out your new life in Christ with?
He is the power. I am the powerless.
But you are a new creation in Christ. We have died and are now born again by faith in the Son of God. We're saved by grace through faith.
He gives us everything we need for life and godliness, but it's our faith because He gives it to us. Righteousness is imputed to us and so we walk in righteousness.
It's His righteousness that He gives us, He adds it to our account. We are now partakers of the divine nature and so because we are, we will walk in truth, in righteousness and holiness.
Jesus doesn't tell us to count of His faithfulness, He tells us to be faithful. If you read some of the others posts, one of the examples is when Jesus says that your faith has made you whole.
So it's my faith in Him that heals me, that causes me to walk in righteousness and holiness. There's a co-operation with the Spirit that works within us and empowers us to say no to sin. When we don't say no, it's our flesh that's sinning and we need to ask for forgiveness. He convicts us of our sin so that we can confess our sins and be cleansed of all unrighteousness.
So when God says for me to obey, I'm doing the obeying, not Jesus. When He tells me to love my brother, I'm to love my brother. Jesus isn't doing the loving. He gives me the love so that I can love others.
So maybe this is a reformation teaching?
He gives us everything we need for life and godliness, but it's our faith because He gives it to us. Righteousness is imputed to us and so we walk in righteousness.
It's His righteousness that He gives us, He adds it to our account. We are now partakers of the divine nature and so because we are, we will walk in truth, in righteousness and holiness.
Jesus doesn't tell us to count of His faithfulness, He tells us to be faithful. If you read some of the others posts, one of the examples is when Jesus says that your faith has made you whole.
So it's my faith in Him that heals me, that causes me to walk in righteousness and holiness. There's a co-operation with the Spirit that works within us and empowers us to say no to sin. When we don't say no, it's our flesh that's sinning and we need to ask for forgiveness. He convicts us of our sin so that we can confess our sins and be cleansed of all unrighteousness.
So when God says for me to obey, I'm doing the obeying, not Jesus. When He tells me to love my brother, I'm to love my brother. Jesus isn't doing the loving. He gives me the love so that I can love others.
So maybe this is a reformation teaching?
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no he isn't
and that is what caught my eye
'the message of the cross' is both someone's name and message and the post is a direct quote from Swaggart jr's teaching.
people waffle without understanding
first they like this post and then they like a post that says the opposite
the cross was a means to to salvation. Jesus is no longer on the cross
I never said ignore the cross or ignore what Paul stated
seems very few on this site are capable of actual comprehension but they go screaming into the dark terrified of loosing something...but not sure what...and trying desperately to make everyone believe just like they do in order to satisfy their own fear of being somehow not on target
these are not discusions
what goes on here is a digital version of the Spanish inquistion
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well if you are a Calvinist, it is
Lynn is a Calvanist so for her if you say other than what goes along with that, you are wrong
not going to argue about it with you Lynn. doesn't matter anyway. I'm no Calvinist and never will be
what people believe colors what they believe
if everything is under water, the ship will sink too
however if you can see the ship floating and not part of the water, you may have a chance
understand that or not, it's how it is around here
cessationists, calvinists, armenians and a whole slew more and every single one is certain only they are right
and now some brilliant person will ask what I am
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And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?Luk 18:7
It one of those things that the Holy Spirit seems to ponder. When he comes will he find faith in respect to the faith of God that comes from hearing Him or a worn out religious book that cannot perform the promises from within And it will be as in the days of Noah men walking by sight by which every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was after the course of this world continually according to the three avenues of the father of lies found in 1 John 2
1John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
The faith of God comes from hearing God. His thoughts that he revels by His faith are not any more ours than mine would be yours.
What if some chose not to believe will they make the faith that others hear coming form Him without effect. We fear Him because he gives us the faith to believe Him.
If it was of our own self why would we fear Him ? We fear him because with Him there is forgiveness . If he would take into account one wrong suffered suffered who could stand before His throne of grace and receive mercy.
We have the the treasure of His faith in us but are never to be assumed it is of us. that would cause one to blapspheme His Holy name by which we are called heaven ward.
2Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
The treasure is the faith of God .It works in us to both will and do His good pleasure .Just as the faith of Christ worked in both Abraham and the gentile Rehab . Abraham believed God not his own self as if he was in the place of God . Its why its called imputed. Why would any try and dispute it and make it without effect ?
Jam 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
I've heard people argue that it's faith "of" Jesus Christ and not our faith before when quoting Galatians 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Yet other translations read faith in Jesus Christ.. (NKJV, ESV, NIV, NAS etc..).
In 1 Peter 1:9, we read - receiving the end of your faith--the salvation of your souls.
So it's our faith, yet although we are responsible to believe and will be held accountable for unbelief (John 3:18), saving faith is never exclusively a matter of human decision. Unless the Father draws us in (John 6:44) and enables us/unless it has been granted to him by My Father (John 6:65) we would NEVER come to Christ all by ourselves.
The approach of the soul to Christ is initiated by the Father, but He doesn't force us to choose Christ, we must choose Him. The impulse to faith in Christ comes from God.
Yet other translations read faith in Jesus Christ.. (NKJV, ESV, NIV, NAS etc..).
In 1 Peter 1:9, we read - receiving the end of your faith--the salvation of your souls.
So it's our faith, yet although we are responsible to believe and will be held accountable for unbelief (John 3:18), saving faith is never exclusively a matter of human decision. Unless the Father draws us in (John 6:44) and enables us/unless it has been granted to him by My Father (John 6:65) we would NEVER come to Christ all by ourselves.
The approach of the soul to Christ is initiated by the Father, but He doesn't force us to choose Christ, we must choose Him. The impulse to faith in Christ comes from God.
Rosemary,
Lynn (Depleated) is giving you sound advice.
When you listen to teaching you will do well to focus on how much attention the teacher seeks to focus on himself as compared with the attention he seeks to focus on the Lord. If you see a lot of I's and me's you should probably pick someone else to listen to.
Lynn (Depleated) is giving you sound advice.
When you listen to teaching you will do well to focus on how much attention the teacher seeks to focus on himself as compared with the attention he seeks to focus on the Lord. If you see a lot of I's and me's you should probably pick someone else to listen to.
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