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The Time Of The Gentiles is a bit complex, but that is definitely one valid idea. It may have ended in 1967 also when Israel recaptured Jerusalem.

Well, that is the issue; God sends strong delusion. What if God in some way mandates the building of the Temple?

Zech 6. Thanks...reading now
I wonder why Moshe Dayan refused to just take over the temple mount, he could of done it in 1967 they had the land captured 100%.
What kind of a mind disorder must have happened to him to relinquish control back to the enemies. Perhaps it was just not the right time.
 

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to me Zech 6 is Christ building the Church
 

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Yeah. 70AD was some of the toughest times Israel ever went through. Even before that there was an "abomination of desolatioN" you can read about it in the book of maccabees.
Then the time of job is what Paul was talking about in 2 Thessalonians 2 as the time when "HE who holds all things back is taken out of the way"
 

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I wonder why Moshe Dayan refused to just take over the temple mount, he could of done it in 1967 they had the land captured 100%.
What kind of a mind disorder must have happened to him to relinquish control back to the enemies. Perhaps it was just not the right time.
What is the necessity of seizing the Temple Mount?
 

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Was that the temple being spoken of in Daniel?

was it this temple that took 70 weeks to be built

and during troublous times?
That's 70 weeks of years or 490 years, which began with Nehemiah to the end of the 69 sevens or 483 years. The Last seven years is yet to come and will take place in conjunction with the Lord's return to the earth to end the age.
 

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That's 70 weeks of years or 490 years, which began with Nehemiah to the end of the 69 sevens or 483 years. The Last seven years is yet to come and will take place in conjunction with the Lord's return to the earth to end the age.
Thanks sir. I knew I made a type error. I meant to say 7 weeks

though in truth it appears that it will be the first 3 1/2 years that the temple will be built and completed
 

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Thanks sir. I knew I made a type error. I meant to say 7 weeks

though in truth it appears that it will be the first 3 1/2 years that the temple will be built and completed
Hi! Yes, once "the ruler" that antichrist establishes his seven year covenant with Israel, it will allow them to build their temple and will begin to make sacrifices and offerings as they did before the Messiah was cut off during that first 3 1/2 years. Then, in the middle of the seven years, is when he sets up that abomination which cause the woman/Israel to flee out into the wilderness where she is cared for during that last 3 1/2 years until Christ returns to the earth to end the age.
 
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Please expand what/who/how the beast and the false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire
Thanks I will try

It is speaking of judgement day

please explain how men are found worshipping the beast and the dragon (who gave his power to the beast)
It is the men that are being deceived giving their authority as that seen (flesh and blood) to the father of lies who has no form of his own. There form is the power he needs. He has none of his own , neither does any lying spirit being called demons(no DNA)

please explain the three unclean spirits which come out of the mouths of these three..where are they going and are they just floating around in the hidden invisible spiritual realm?
I would offer...Three is used throughout scriptures to denote the end of the matter. We walk by faith not by sight.
or will they gather real flesh of "supposed kings" for the battle and outward rebellion against THE LORD?
Satan as the god of this world is the ruler of all the kingdoms of this world. The flesh of those kings are simply used as antichrists, many. The kingdom of God is not of this world but they will become his kingdoms when he brings in the new heavens and earth.

Christ who has no form will come as a thief in the night.

Eating the flesh of Kings, or flesh of mighty man found in the parable below, according to the spiritual understanding it speaks of those who gave their life in jeopardy for another .A picture of Christ pouring out His Spirit life in jeopardy of His own.

It can be referred to as eating the flesh and drinking the blood of men. Blood is used to represent spirit not seen.

Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

(Paul said do not let any man deceive you (do you think these whom Paul was speaking to weren't already battling spiritual forces by men who in ignorance were opposing what is good?)
Some might have been aware that we do not wrestle against flesh and blood. Others that walked by sight perceived those who walked by sight as an outward competition.... killing what they perceived was the enemy . Giving evidence to the law of walking by sight (out of sight out of mind.)

paul was talking about a particular man of sin who would not and could not be revealed until HE who holds all things back is taken out of the way"
The god of this world, the Serpent, was taken out of the way . When Christ said it is finished the veil was rent .The time of reformation had come.

Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

(when the "hedge" was removed, did Job suffer at the "hands of men and physical and real fleshly trouble"
Yes he did...

But who was behind these sufferings?
Christ suffered for Job's sin .

The cause of suffering is death. We are born into corrupted body that must die.

The focus is on that not seen the eternal not that seen the temporal .

Job was given the faith (not of his own self) to believe God (the faith of Christ) that comes from hearing God that his new spirit would arise on the last day (th second and final resurrection and in his new kind of flesh (not after the rudiments of this creation)

Scripture describes the chaste virgin bride of Christ as not flesh and blood, not male or female, neither Jew nor Gentile. But a new creation.

For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: Job 19:25
 

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Thanks I will try

It is speaking of judgement day



It is the men that are being deceived giving their authority as that seen (flesh and blood) to the father of lies who has no form of his own. There form is the power he needs. He has none of his own , neither does any lying spirit being called demons(no DNA)



I would offer...Three is used throughout scriptures to denote the end of the matter. We walk by faith not by sight.


Satan as the god of this world is the ruler of all the kingdoms of this world. The flesh of those kings are simply used as antichrists, many. The kingdom of God is not of this world but they will become his kingdoms when he brings in the new heavens and earth.

Christ who has no form will come as a thief in the night.

Eating the flesh of Kings, or flesh of mighty man found in the parable below, according to the spiritual understanding it speaks of those who gave their life in jeopardy for another .A picture of Christ pouring out His Spirit life in jeopardy of His own.

It can be referred to as eating the flesh and drinking the blood of men. Blood is used to represent spirit not seen.

Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.



Some might have been aware that we do not wrestle against flesh and blood. Others that walked by sight perceived those who walked by sight as an outward competition.... killing what they perceived was the enemy . Giving evidence to the law of walking by sight (out of sight out of mind.)



The god of this world, the Serpent, was taken out of the way . When Christ said it is finished the veil was rent .The time of reformation had come.

Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.



Christ suffered for Job's sin .

The cause of suffering is death. We are born into corrupted body that must die.

The focus is on that not seen the eternal not that seen the temporal .

Job was given the faith (not of his own self) to believe God (the faith of Christ) that comes from hearing God that his new spirit would arise on the last day (th second and final resurrection and in his new kind of flesh (not after the rudiments of this creation)

Scripture describes the chaste virgin bride of Christ as not flesh and blood, not male or female, neither Jew nor Gentile. But a new creation.

For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: Job 19:25
He will see his redeemer? Are you sure?

wventhough HE has no visible form?


please review your post


i believe Job sir
and that faith that we will see our redeemer, that our own eyes shall see HIM
standing upon the earth in the last days, is what will keep those who will wait by their hope in HIM

even amidst the struggles
 
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So explain more fully BG how the Man of Sin could sit in believers
Maybe it can make sense
Not the Vatican, but the christian people, who are built together as living stones into the temple of God. That is one way to look at it.

As I said, I believe the temple in Jerusalem makes more sense. The only thing that causes any doubts for it, is the fact that it was already predicted to be destroyed, but Jesus never said that it will be destroyed, and then yet another one built.
 

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Christ who has no form will come as a thief in the night.


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They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a ghost. He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds?Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

Garee, Jesus rose in the same body that He was crucified in, though glorified and immortal. And He will be returning in that same body when he comes to gather the church and when he returns to the earth to end the age.
 

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So explain more fully BG how the Man of Sin could sit in believers
Maybe it can make sense
There's a difference between an outward structural temple
and THE TEMPLE

Theres a difference between an outward structural church
and THE CHURCH

It makes sense but it is clear that you do not understand THE BODY of believers is a different gathering from a body of unbelievers


one group is in THE TEMPLE/CHURCH

The other group isn't
 
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Hi! Yes, once "the ruler" that antichrist establishes his seven year covenant with Israel, it will allow them to build their temple and will begin to make sacrifices and offerings as they did before the Messiah was cut off during that first 3 1/2 years. Then, in the middle of the seven years, is when he sets up that abomination which cause the woman/Israel to flee out into the wilderness where she is cared for during that last 3 1/2 years until Christ returns to the earth to end the age.
The abomination is the thought of rebuilding of that which no longer was needed to be used as a shadow in cerimoinal laws that did preach the gospel in respect to the suffering of Christ beforehand..

The time of reformation had come.

The antichrist (Satan) as the ruler of this world, as the god of it, as he works in the heart of men to give him a body. He would have men believe the time of reformation is still pending.and the man of sin the Satan has not been reveled . Keeping some in the dark .I believe.

The veil is rent there is no need for another outward demonstration of the work of the Holy Spirit in parables . Christ in us (Emanuel) is the temple of God.

2Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

We have that treasure (our new faith of Christ) working in us to both will and do his good pleasure but never would not assume it was of us.

Peter tried .He is shown being used as one of the many that were used as antichrists (a body needed to bring the will of another) having it n respect to the flesh of Peter. Peter was forgiven. (Blasphemy against the Son of man as that seen) is forgivable.

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit (not seen) is not forgiven.

We walk by faith (the unseen eternal) . Again the key "time of reformation" has come. It’s been doing the work of restoring for over two thousand literal years.leading towards the last day

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure (parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. Heb 9:8

Mathew 16 provides the clearest picture of the antichrist Satan (singular one) the evil one, working in the affairs of men trying to make the "things of God" as if they were one in the same as the "things of men", Peter was used as one of antichrists (plural many) Peter was forgiven.

The lesson I would think is we do not need men to teach us. (The warning of the antichrists who would seduce us. 1 John2:26-27 )

The Holy Spirit is able to keep His promise as to who it is that does the teaching, comforting and guidance as we hold out the gospel of His salvation ....and bring to our mind the things he has taught us.

A clear distinction must be made between the things of God and those of men

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the “things that be of God”, but “those that be of men”.Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. Mat 16:22

It would be very difficult to venerate, a form of worship, Peter for acting as one of the many anti-christs who were there.

The gospel is the key that the gates of hell could never prevail against. Not one who resists the key shown as acting as one of the many antichists, the man of sin..
 

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The abomination is the thought of rebuilding of that which no longer was needed to be used as a shadow in cerimonial laws that did preach the gospel in respect to the suffering of Christ beforehand.


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He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’[SUP]i[/SUP] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

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So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house.Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak."

The abomination will be a real, tangible, idolatrous object which will be set up in the future temple, which will cause the desolation of Jerusalem.
 
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1 Cor 3:16-17
16 Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in your midst?
17 If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy that person; for God's temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.
 
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1 Cor 3:16-17
16 Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in your midst?
17 If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy that person; for God's temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.
We are THE TEMPLE.
Yes

but the temple mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2 is not the same TEMPLE as mentioned in 1 Corinthians 3
 
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So explain more fully BG how the Man of Sin could sit in believers
Maybe it can make sense
Allright. So: The Church is the assembly of believers, the called out ones, the ekklesia, and what if, a deceiver enters into their midst, unifies all christians under that one guy, who would be the man of sin.

I have heard some suggest that would be the case, I personally still hold to the literal temple in Jerusalem, much less spiritualizing required that way.
 
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We are THE TEMPLE.
Yes

but the temple mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2 is not the same TEMPLE as mentioned in 1 Corinthians 3
Do you believe the lawless one will be in spirit form or human form?