Whose Faith? Ours or Jesus'?
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Hi DR...I had a a nice surprize a few days ago from our Father God...He told me that He has given me a gift of faith
...I have been walking with our Lord for these past 22 months feeling shaky more then feeling secure, It was making me miserable in my walk, I asked God to show me why I feel this way, and He told me He has given me His gift called faith, well once I looked up the word faith, my whole walk has changed, He now has me seeking Him to find out who I am in Christ, and now I am walking in my faith, a precious gift from God and I am using it...Knowing my faith is a gift from God has secured me from being shaky...His gift of faith to me is mine to have faith in Him, trusting, leaning and relying on Him, when I put my faith in Him, He will grow my faith through Him when I show my faithfulness in trials and tribulations...Correct me if I am wrong, I am stretching out here and eager to learn...xox...
...I have been walking with our Lord for these past 22 months feeling shaky more then feeling secure, It was making me miserable in my walk, I asked God to show me why I feel this way, and He told me He has given me His gift called faith, well once I looked up the word faith, my whole walk has changed, He now has me seeking Him to find out who I am in Christ, and now I am walking in my faith, a precious gift from God and I am using it...Knowing my faith is a gift from God has secured me from being shaky...His gift of faith to me is mine to have faith in Him, trusting, leaning and relying on Him, when I put my faith in Him, He will grow my faith through Him when I show my faithfulness in trials and tribulations...Correct me if I am wrong, I am stretching out here and eager to learn...xox...
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True again. But then again, you're talking about Paul, not his before-regeneration-name man, Saul.
And, again, read everything he said before this -- all the way back to Romans 1. Because everything up to this is pointing to this. He went, step-by-step through every possible way Man can save himself -- the Law, morality, being born into the right nation (Israel) -- and none of it worked. Even Paul -- PAUL, the dude he got Christianity the rightest -- couldn't do what he wanted to do. And he wanted to follow Christ, but his members warred. Nothing worked. And, then he goes on to tell what does work in the next chapter -- God!
We're actually agreeing quite a bit, but you're staring at the little picture with a microscope, and I'm looking up at the creator of the little-picture you're seeing. Left to ourselves, we're going to fall apart as fast as two pans of freshly made chocolate cake put together at the rounded tops. The only thing that keeps us together is the Lord. Bask in him, and the rest falls in place, even with warring members.
And, again, read everything he said before this -- all the way back to Romans 1. Because everything up to this is pointing to this. He went, step-by-step through every possible way Man can save himself -- the Law, morality, being born into the right nation (Israel) -- and none of it worked. Even Paul -- PAUL, the dude he got Christianity the rightest -- couldn't do what he wanted to do. And he wanted to follow Christ, but his members warred. Nothing worked. And, then he goes on to tell what does work in the next chapter -- God!
We're actually agreeing quite a bit, but you're staring at the little picture with a microscope, and I'm looking up at the creator of the little-picture you're seeing. Left to ourselves, we're going to fall apart as fast as two pans of freshly made chocolate cake put together at the rounded tops. The only thing that keeps us together is the Lord. Bask in him, and the rest falls in place, even with warring members.
Amen 1ofthem...I must admit I have to be very careful now in what I post...A few times I have posted what I believed the Holy Spirit has shown me only for someone to come along and rip it apart and tell me that what I have posted is wrong...I want to post what I have learnt, and I really do appreciate guidance to correct me if need be, only few will correct in a gentle manner, that`s what makes all the difference to me, someone who is loving in their ways with a gentle spirit, not a harsh cold reply which can often lead to babes or imature in the Lord to never post again, thank you for your reply, the Holy Spirit will always give me eyes to see and ears to hear...xox...
, thank you for your reply, the Holy Spirit will always give me eyes to see and ears to hear...xox...
You have a sweetness of spirit that reminds the rest of us of what the Lord wants from us.
Those who get nasty are those who don't want to be reminded.
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And good examples of who the foolish are. Saul was foolish enough to think it was his duty to kill believers in Christ.
The thief on the cross? Who gets put on a cross for stealing? Restitution was big back then. We certainly don't usually go around killing thieves today. Exactly how foolish do you have to be to take stealing all the way to the penalty of a torturous death?
And yet, Jesus saved them both. Who can get why he chose either beyond he did say he'd take the foolish to confound the wise?
He always has. Gideon was hiding in a thresher cove. David was a kid who thought he could kill lions and giants with a sling. Moses was hiding in the wilderness for forty years fearful his adopted dad, the Pharaoh, would find out he killed a soldier. These too were foolish people, until the Lord changed them.
We have good company.
The thief on the cross? Who gets put on a cross for stealing? Restitution was big back then. We certainly don't usually go around killing thieves today. Exactly how foolish do you have to be to take stealing all the way to the penalty of a torturous death?
And yet, Jesus saved them both. Who can get why he chose either beyond he did say he'd take the foolish to confound the wise?
He always has. Gideon was hiding in a thresher cove. David was a kid who thought he could kill lions and giants with a sling. Moses was hiding in the wilderness for forty years fearful his adopted dad, the Pharaoh, would find out he killed a soldier. These too were foolish people, until the Lord changed them.
We have good company.
I favor the two major pre-reformation reformers. Jan Huss and Meno Simons.
Calvin impaled the heads of those who disagreed with him on his picket fence. This is hardly what Jesus had in mind when he told us to love our enemies. Luther persecuted the Jewish people; which is totally contrary to Hos chapter 2 and Jeremiah chapter 34. I prefer to learn from those whose lives portray a lifestyle of obedience.
Calvin impaled the heads of those who disagreed with him on his picket fence. This is hardly what Jesus had in mind when he told us to love our enemies. Luther persecuted the Jewish people; which is totally contrary to Hos chapter 2 and Jeremiah chapter 34. I prefer to learn from those whose lives portray a lifestyle of obedience.
Ok, I just don’t get it folks…Don’t WE have to believe in order to be saved? And I’m saying don’t WE have to believe not JESUS cause we know that Jesus already believes…
In order to do so, seems to me that would take just a little faith from us, right? If we say God gives us all faith to believe then aren’t we saying that he is also responsible for unbelief in some people because he didn’t give them faith? We know Jesus won’t deny himself even when we are faithless, he is still faithful. But seriously, don’t we have to take that first step, to believe and then depend upon him to increase our faith?
So I mean really, don’t we have to have faith as small as a mustard seed to begin with… just like the guy who was asking for Jesus to heal his son. He said Lord I believe help my unbelief…In my opinion, he had to have a small amount of faith to say Lord I believe and ask Jesus to increase his belief. Just my thoughts here, but I don’t think it would have worked if he said Lord I don’t believe at all…
Mark 9:23-24
Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth. [SUP]24[/SUP]And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.
In order to do so, seems to me that would take just a little faith from us, right? If we say God gives us all faith to believe then aren’t we saying that he is also responsible for unbelief in some people because he didn’t give them faith? We know Jesus won’t deny himself even when we are faithless, he is still faithful. But seriously, don’t we have to take that first step, to believe and then depend upon him to increase our faith?
So I mean really, don’t we have to have faith as small as a mustard seed to begin with… just like the guy who was asking for Jesus to heal his son. He said Lord I believe help my unbelief…In my opinion, he had to have a small amount of faith to say Lord I believe and ask Jesus to increase his belief. Just my thoughts here, but I don’t think it would have worked if he said Lord I don’t believe at all…
Mark 9:23-24
Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth. [SUP]24[/SUP]And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.
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We do have a choice. We chose to stay in the darkness to hide our sins.
As for why does God create those he will not draw to him?
Well? The people at Babel were dispersed across the globe.
Pharaoh unwillingly let God's people go.
Baalaam didn't fair well, but served his purpose.
The people that should have been slaughtered in the Promise Lands are still warring against Israel.
King Saul died after toughening up David.
Nineveh and Edom are gone. (Nineveh was saved at one time, but that went south eventually.)
Pontius Pilate and Herod served their purposes.
Nero certainly served his purpose.
Pope Leo X served his purpose, as did Charles V.
No Hitler and we would have never heard of the Ten Booms.
This is God we're talking about. Not like something skipped his notice and he didn't use it. Yesterday marked the 15th anniversary of the falling of the Trade Towers. That served God's purposes too -- some for the good of his people, and some for the bad of all others. Just because we don't always know how God is working it out doesn't mean God's not working it out just right. Downright perfectly.
As for why does God create those he will not draw to him?
Well? The people at Babel were dispersed across the globe.
Pharaoh unwillingly let God's people go.
Baalaam didn't fair well, but served his purpose.
The people that should have been slaughtered in the Promise Lands are still warring against Israel.
King Saul died after toughening up David.
Nineveh and Edom are gone. (Nineveh was saved at one time, but that went south eventually.)
Pontius Pilate and Herod served their purposes.
Nero certainly served his purpose.
Pope Leo X served his purpose, as did Charles V.
No Hitler and we would have never heard of the Ten Booms.
This is God we're talking about. Not like something skipped his notice and he didn't use it. Yesterday marked the 15th anniversary of the falling of the Trade Towers. That served God's purposes too -- some for the good of his people, and some for the bad of all others. Just because we don't always know how God is working it out doesn't mean God's not working it out just right. Downright perfectly.
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Read the Gospel of John as if you were there. I read Jesus's words and see him in action and think of the disciples, "Are you nuts? Why are you following some guy who just told you to eat his body and drink his blood?" Would you follow that guy now? It's. Just. Gross!
And yet, what other choice is there? He has the words of life? Yeah. That's not logical. The Lord gave me that. He gave those disciples that. He gives us faith.
And yet, what other choice is there? He has the words of life? Yeah. That's not logical. The Lord gave me that. He gave those disciples that. He gives us faith.