Not By Works

[PeterJens]

I realised something that for me is a profound understanding

1. People assume others are like them and their reactions etc. conform to a common model
2. The problems they have are the problems others have
3. Our walks are the same, and what we see is obvious to all

I used to love everyone and assume they found it hard to be violent, uncaring, and approaching
things they would take care.

Then I met nutcases, people who broke rules or simply did not follow any, and would invent
stuff which triggered reactions. I knew I was protected and privileged, a nice school with nice
people. The only thing one could say for certain is after observing individuals you could approximate
what they were like based on how they responded.

I stopped saying things about others, other than information in front of me.

I hope you guys can understand this. We are all very different, and some in normal life I would
probably have no contact with. So when someone says because of what I have shared I am
doomed to hell, or am Gods prophet, I stand back and just know this is way beyond were it should
be. I like simple anchor points. Behaviour defines us, it is the fruit of our hearts, a reflection of
our thoughts and inspiration.

Jesus was simple in His reality. Make sure the fountain of your life, your heart is clean and holy.
It is profound, because if your heart is not clean, then everything you do, think, expressed is
tainted with whatever distortions you are maintaining. Do you see this in our Lord?

With Him, listening, dwelling, praising, sharing He can purify us through His presence and word.
cc has been a challenge. It has caused me to lay myself down, and rest in Him, to exalt His life
and ignore all provocative actions. Nothing need bind you if you walk in the Spirit, if you see love
and the root that causes antagonism in others, it is freeing, because literally people bound in this
can not but respond, it is not their conscious fault. Drink from the fountain of His life, for in eternity
we will see Him face to face, Amen

 

[7seasrekeyed]

all because I said I did not like the mocking either and stood up for Jens who was mocked and made fun of

now all of you tell me how you set such a great example

the way you gang up on people is beyond the pale

 

[PeterJens]

all because I said I did not like the mocking either and stood up for Jens who was mocked and made fun of

now all of you tell me how you set such a great example

the way you gang up on people is beyond the pale

Spiritual warfare is always a messy thing.
This medium encourages superficial responses without much thought.

I messaged on guy at length. He had some serious emotional and personality issues
that needed help. I tried to get him to think about himself a bit and why he responded
to issues in his life a particular way. All he could do was come with the first thoughts
in his mind. His defence mechanisms worked so well, he knew he was a mess, but not
how to unlock anything.

Many here have seriously troubled pasts. What we are discussing has real emotional and
spiritual implications, if they took a different line. That means what you see is where they
are at the moment. It would be interesting in 6 months they have changed at all.

Some here definately have changed, but the same issues still bounce off them like a table
tennis ball, lol. I am just grateful the Lord continues to grow in my life.

 

[Locutus]

Originally Posted by blue_ladybug

Answer my questions, please. Do you still sin or not? It's a simple, yes or no question.




Yes, answer the question Peter - not some convoluted explanation.

 

[dcontroversal]

Originally Posted by blue_ladybug

Answer my questions, please. Do you still sin or not? It's a simple, yes or no question.




Yes, answer the question Peter - not some convoluted explanation.

Good luck....I asked him to explain his stance on Salvation in simple sentences.....to no avail....~

 

[Locutus]

 

[joefizz]

then discuss it

I didn't see any scripture in your post to me though, so you can't blame me for wondering why you would go out of your way to disagree, obviously did not understand what I posted and then come back again and say you are serious

so maybe take your own advice, be respectful of someone who does use scripture, and use some yourself

see how that goes?

considering you didn't "quote" scripture just the same as me,instead declaring you did,I don't see where there is a need for me to quote scripture with scripture,as you would like,clearly this discussing has gotten you upset,and wanting to tear apart others metaphorically because you feel others are tearing into you metaphorically,I was explaining that I am not doing that I hope for just the opposite for you to calm down,and speak more coherently,nothing is accomplished if we can't understand each other.

 

[PeterJens]

Originally Posted by blue_ladybug

Answer my questions, please. Do you still sin or not? It's a simple, yes or no question.




Yes, answer the question Peter - not some convoluted explanation.

I have sinned in the past and repented of it. The future has not happened, so only the Lord
knows my future walk, and in grace and love I progress.

To say I will sin in the future is to sin against Christ, because this is due-belief. So would
you have me sin to keep you happy or walk in faith.

So many sin in there future expectations, either in carnal desires or allegiances to other
Kingdoms.

On the question are we perfect the day we come to faith, no, but if we are not following and
growing we are dead. Any living being can die, it is the definition of life. Death is static
unchanging objects with no future. Which are you?

I would hope and pray you are alive and following, but only you know. The way is fantastic
but some seem to think it is evil and full of burdens, rather the burdens are just the ones
you deny you are carrying at the moment and would rather ignore.

 

[TruthTalk]

Some people on this thread I call, "Spoons" because they are always trying to stir up the pot. Be careful and watch what they do because you could become tonights pot of stew, God forbid. This is not edifying to the Body of Christ.... period.

 

[Locutus]

Now you just avoided a yes or no answer with some convoluted response....

 

[PeterJens]

Hey I know what you guys want me to say, I am a carnal, greedy, bad mouthed, *****y
back biting sinners who carries grudges every day.

I cannot bad mouth myself for your pleasure.

My failures currently are not being discouraged by cc or church, but seeing the goal in
Christ He has for me. I catch myself, hear a worship song, the Lord heals and I am lifted
up into His presence. I could invent sins of ommission or self condemnation ,but that is
just guilt tripping. So please tell me my sin so I can repent of it.

I remember reading some desiring murder of certain people, but again I work it through.
What was weird was being in a shop and having the idea of not paying for goods.

I just ignored the idea, because it was just foolish speculation. Some though claim never
to have such thoughts, or the thought itself is sin, but it is not. God bless you guys.
I think maybe your failures are not the same as mine, and you will call me pompous etc.
But you wanted to know, lol.

 

[dcontroversal]

I have sinned in the past and repented of it. The future has not happened, so only the Lord
knows my future walk, and in grace and love I progress.

To say I will sin in the future is to sin against Christ, because this is due-belief. So would
you have me sin to keep you happy or walk in faith.

So many sin in there future expectations, either in carnal desires or allegiances to other
Kingdoms.

On the question are we perfect the day we come to faith, no, but if we are not following and
growing we are dead. Any living being can die, it is the definition of life. Death is static
unchanging objects with no future. Which are you?

I would hope and pray you are alive and following, but only you know. The way is fantastic
but some seem to think it is evil and full of burdens, rather the burdens are just the ones
you deny you are carrying at the moment and would rather ignore.

Very political answer.....wow.....the tap dance king for sure....did you pick up a cake today or just TAKE it....

 

[Locutus]

My failures currently are not being discouraged by cc or church

What does this mean - "failures currently".

This is like talking with a politician.

 

[PeterJens]

Now you just avoided a yes or no answer with some convoluted response....

I think this demonstrates how immoral and a total lack of care you guys have.
Gb9 was calling turning up late for something a sin.

Do you understand how stupid this kind of morality is.
It is little wonder how confused the theology is where missed appointments are put alongside
murder, worthy of going to hell.

Intentionally lying about commitments and not taking care is sinful behaviour.
Our focus needs to be on service and care. The Lord will convict as needed, but often
excuses will abound when things come up that mean actual action is needed.

God bless you all

 

[joefizz]

I have sinned in the past and repented of it. The future has not happened, so only the Lord
knows my future walk, and in grace and love I progress.

To say I will sin in the future is to sin against Christ, because this is due-belief. So would
you have me sin to keep you happy or walk in faith.

So many sin in there future expectations, either in carnal desires or allegiances to other
Kingdoms.

On the question are we perfect the day we come to faith, no, but if we are not following and
growing we are dead. Any living being can die, it is the definition of life. Death is static
unchanging objects with no future. Which are you?

I would hope and pray you are alive and following, but only you know. The way is fantastic
but some seem to think it is evil and full of burdens, rather the burdens are just the ones
you deny you are carrying at the moment and would rather ignore.

noone is asking you "to sin" willfully the concept is that we all sin,although yes through Jesus we don't sin as much or in more simple terms we don't "pursue sin",when it is written "we are dead to sin" it means that Jesus overlaps our original sinful behaviour,but we still have struggles with sin,it's just that as far as our heart and mind we view sin as wrong and no longer have "a desire to partake of sin" and at the times that we "realize we have sinned" we are remorseful,we are not "without sin" we are "afflicted by sin",but you do have a point when we are working through the holy spirit,we "won't sin" during such a time because the spirit and the flesh cannot join,so one overlaps the other,so since it is impossible to "always" be doing work for God it is impossible to not sin though we can fool ourselves to think otherwise,so to clarify when we are in the spirit when working for God we "don't sin" when we are in life otherwise there is always"the possibility of sin".

 

[PeterJens]

What does this mean - "failures currently".

This is like talking with a politician.

issues I am dealing with, that cause problems.
They are not sin but could lead to it,

 

[Locutus]

I think this demonstrates how immoral and a total lack of care you guys have.
Gb9 was calling turning up late for something a sin.

Do you understand how stupid this kind of morality is.
It is little wonder how confused the theology is where missed appointments are put alongside
murder, worthy of going to hell.

Intentionally lying about commitments and not taking care is sinful behaviour.
Our focus needs to be on service and care. The Lord will convict as needed, but often
excuses will abound when things come up that mean actual action is needed.

God bless you all

The more I see you post Peter the more I believe you are self deceived and evasive in my opinion.

 

[dcontroversal]

PETER.....I will ask again.....In plain terms, simple sentences and in 4 to 6 lines or less explain your view of biblical salvation, can it be lost, must it be maintained etc...

 

[TruthTalk]

Just cruising through...https://s19.postimg.org/7zpa1kgs3/driveby.gif

You're a Mary Kay rep?

Hi Preacher, this is what Locutus had to say about the USA during the worst hurricane Florida has ever had. He flip flops around this forum making foolish jokes like this, and he is 64yrs of age, where's the Christian love. His last post say's it all, "Just cruising through"

Quote: Locutus;
Good to hear you didn't get walloped "along with the unfaithful USA​"

Originally Posted by Locutus :
Good to hear you didn't get walloped "along with the unfaithful USA​" Muzungu.
But then all the smoke from the Rasta's probably created a high pressure ridge causing the hurricane to swerve towards the US and away from Jamaica.

Sipple really...

My words;

The unfaithful USA, and you are a Christian an ambassador for Christ on a world wide Christian forum. Where's the love.

U.S. Population (LIVE)

326,939,318

 

[PHart]

a question- getting drunk is s sin. so, if someone says that they are a believer, but still struggles with drunkenness, is that person a willful unsaved sinner, or are they a true believer struggling with a addictive sin ( or the flesh, however you want to phrase it ).

how would you know the difference?

Key word here--struggles. That's how you tell the difference. The struggle with sin comes from the fact that we have a new mind in the very core of our being. Not our mind as in our thinking. But the very core of who we are.

I have found the best way to 'see' the core person within is to remember what it was like before you were in Christ. Before we were born again our struggle was with righteousness, not unrighteousness. Deep within, despite what our thinking minds wanted or sought, was this instinctive desire for sin. No matter how much we reasoned out being a different better person we always had this 'person' at our very core who loved sin, and 'his' struggle was constantly with doing right things.

But now that we are born again, at the core of our being is now the desire to seek and walk in right things. Now our struggle is with sin. We used to struggle with righteousness. But the different man inside now disdains sin and struggles with it instead. That doesn't mean he's victorious over it all the time. It simply means that in the very core of his being, even deeper than his conscious thoughts, he wants and desires righteous things.

Now, what about the person who genuinely does have this transformation of inner man but chooses to go against what he wants deep inside? It's still somewhat of a struggle but it's been minimized by thoughts and rationalizations to the point that it really isn't a struggle anymore and that person's sinning amounts to nothing more than a willful, contemptuous rejection of the grace of God, a.k.a. 'unbelief'. That's the person that this warning applies to:

"12Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God. 13But encourage one another day after day, as long as it is still called “Today,” so that none of you will be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin." (Hebrews 3:12-13 NASB)
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They are purposely giving into sin without engaging the struggle that exists between that sin and the new and different person they are at the very core of their being. This is the person who is in danger of being turned over to his sin/unbelief and being lost on the Day of Judgment. This is far, far different from the struggling saint who's struggle with sin brings them to their knees in tears of defeat time and time again. That person has Christ's forgiveness covering it all. But the person who ignores the struggle and foolishly and willfully wades into sin putting the struggle behind them (perhaps because of the deceit of an OSAS argument) he is the one who is in danger of being hardened by his sin and turned over to unbelief and lost on the Day of Judgment, not saved.