The Meaning Of The Parable Of Tares

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J7

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Remember PW, Jesus is with the Church, even to the End of the World

Mat 28:20

Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world
(synteleia aion).Amen.

End of the world means when Christ returns, or do i have to decipher the above for you?
 

NayborBear

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Jesus's Parables are of immense significance. Here for discussion is the parable of the wheat and the tares

Matthew 13

24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
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36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
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49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord. 52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.
I can't even respond to this thread! People deliberately, or ignorantly confusing the parable of the wheat n tares with the parable of the Lord of the Harvest. Perhaps even trying to combine even more of the Messiahs' parables. "Color me gone!!
 
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I can't even respond to this thread! People deliberately, or ignorantly confusing the parable of the wheat n tares with the parable of the Lord of the Harvest. Perhaps even trying to combine even more of the Messiahs' parables. "Color me gone!!
LOL!!!!!!!! Bye! ;)

 

J7

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I can't even respond to this thread! People deliberately, or ignorantly confusing the parable of the wheat n tares with the parable of the Lord of the Harvest. Perhaps even trying to combine even more of the Messiahs' parables. "Color me gone!!
You lie. You have responded
 

J7

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People unable to reason are still unable to say:


I disagree (vehemently)
or
this is heresy

so instead post stupid stuff. Doesn't bother me, but doesn't look great for you or the site. just sayin'...
 

J7

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Am super busy, but look.

1) Jesus introduces a non-generic seed as the word of the Kingdom

2) He then gives genuses of seed in further parables

3) How would Jesus present a message about the perversion of scripture, bearing in mind that there is a logical problem there?
 
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Anybody has anything else to say about the parable of the tares?

I believe it is about God judging His House at the pre trib rapture event. 1 Peter 4:17-19

As the field is the world, then the harvest is taking the wheat out of the field and thus out of the world.

His kingdom is the body of Christ that is in the field hence the world, wherein, taking all those that offend and do iniquity out of His kingdom are those "tares" left behind in the field and thus left behind in the world to be burned. 2 Peter 3rd chapter
 

PlainWord

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no Jesus will come on this earth soon to rule and reign from Jerusalem.
He will restore the kingdom to israel like peter asked acts 1:6
all the gentile nations have to go keep the feast of tabernacles or they get no rain. zechariah 14 acts 1:9-11
it will be like before noah's flood, life spans increase greatly. isaiah 65:20

i think its bcuz the earth is like a huge oxygen chamber bcuz of the firmament of water that was there in noah's day.
WRONG!!!!!!
 

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The setting for the parable is the 1st century AD:

Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.

Jesus proclaimed John as Elijah:

Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

Mat 11:14 And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who is to come.

Mat 3:10 The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.

Mat 3:11 “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you withfn the Holy Spirit and fire.

Mat 3:12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

John states that Jesus has the winnowing fork in his hand, this is giving a clear indication of the imminence of the end of the age harvest that was to occur in the 1st century AD.

When we include John's statement that "the ax is already at the root of the trees" we get an even clearer picture of imminence.

That the harvest was already under way in the 1st century is established in a number of NT scriptures, the first of which is John's statement that the winnowing fork is already in Christ's hand. The winnowing fork is used at the end of the harvest not the beginning.

The winnowing fork is an implement that was sometimes shaped like a large fork or sometime like a large shovel.

The “thresher” took the fork/shovel and threw the stalks of the roughage into the air, the allowed the wind to blow away the chaff to separate from the wheat.

John in his gospel affirmed that the harvest was underway:

Jhn 4:35 “Do you not say, ‘There are still four months and then comes the harvest’? Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes and look at the fields, for they are already white for harvest!

Jesus said the harvest would be at the end of the AGE (world in the KJV):

Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

We have other statements in the NT about the time of this "end of the world" or age occurring in the 1st century AD:


There are no tares in Christ's church - there are plenty of confused futurists though.....
 
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The setting for the parable is the 1st century AD:

Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.

Jesus proclaimed John as Elijah:

Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

Mat 11:14 And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who is to come.

Mat 3:10 The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.

Mat 3:11 “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you withfn the Holy Spirit and fire.

Mat 3:12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

John states that Jesus has the winnowing fork in his hand, this is giving a clear indication of the imminence of the end of the age harvest that was to occur in the 1st century AD.

When we include John's statement that "the ax is already at the root of the trees" we get an even clearer picture of imminence.

That the harvest was already under way in the 1st century is established in a number of NT scriptures, the first of which is John's statement that the winnowing fork is already in Christ's hand. The winnowing fork is used at the end of the harvest not the beginning.

The winnowing fork is an implement that was sometimes shaped like a large fork or sometime like a large shovel.

The “thresher” took the fork/shovel and threw the stalks of the roughage into the air, the allowed the wind to blow away the chaff to separate from the wheat.

John in his gospel affirmed that the harvest was underway:

Jhn 4:35 “Do you not say, ‘There are still four months and then comes the harvest’? Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes and look at the fields, for they are already white for harvest!

Jesus said the harvest would be at the end of the AGE (world in the KJV):

Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

We have other statements in the NT about the time of this "end of the world" or age occurring in the 1st century AD:


There are no tares in Christ's church - there are plenty of confused futurists though.....
What would happen if the church did not keep up with the practice of excommunicating those in unrepentant iniquity?

1 Corinthians 5:[SUP]8 [/SUP]Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. [SUP]9 [/SUP]I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: [SUP]10 [/SUP]Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. [SUP]11 [/SUP]But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

So if the church members are not to hold fellowship with unrepentant workers of iniquity, but to excommunicate them, what do you think God will do at the pre trib rapture event when He raptures the church to attend the Marriage Supper? Excommunicate workers of iniquity.

1 Corinthians 5:[SUP]4 [/SUP]In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, [SUP]5 [/SUP]To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Luke 13:[SUP]24 [/SUP]Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. [SUP]25 [/SUP]When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: [SUP]26 [/SUP]Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. [SUP]27 [/SUP]But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. [SUP]28 [/SUP]There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. [SUP]29 [/SUP]And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. [SUP]30 [/SUP]And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.
 

J7

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Yes, but there were two wheat harvests, so John is referring to the first one here, but in Matthew Jesus is referring to the second one, the Great One at the end of the world.

The setting for the parable is the 1st century AD:

Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.

Jesus proclaimed John as Elijah:

Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

Mat 11:14 And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who is to come.

Mat 3:10 The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.

Mat 3:11 “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you withfn the Holy Spirit and fire.

Mat 3:12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

John states that Jesus has the winnowing fork in his hand, this is giving a clear indication of the imminence of the end of the age harvest that was to occur in the 1st century AD.

When we include John's statement that "the ax is already at the root of the trees" we get an even clearer picture of imminence.

That the harvest was already under way in the 1st century is established in a number of NT scriptures, the first of which is John's statement that the winnowing fork is already in Christ's hand. The winnowing fork is used at the end of the harvest not the beginning.

The winnowing fork is an implement that was sometimes shaped like a large fork or sometime like a large shovel.

The “thresher” took the fork/shovel and threw the stalks of the roughage into the air, the allowed the wind to blow away the chaff to separate from the wheat.

John in his gospel affirmed that the harvest was underway:

Jhn 4:35 “Do you not say, ‘There are still four months and then comes the harvest’? Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes and look at the fields, for they are already white for harvest!

Jesus said the harvest would be at the end of the AGE (world in the KJV):

Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

We have other statements in the NT about the time of this "end of the world" or age occurring in the 1st century AD:


There are no tares in Christ's church - there are plenty of confused futurists though.....
 

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Remember PW, Jesus is with the Church, even to the End of the World

Mat 28:20

Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world
(synteleia aion).Amen.

End of the world means when Christ returns, or do i have to decipher the above for you?
Again, it is the completion of the AGE, not world!! The context here is not the church, it is the 11 disciples. He is saying He will be with them even until the end of the age. Quit substituting meanings and audiences. Maintain audience integrity. The 11 disciples were NOT the church. They became fathers of the church but that's besides the point. Christ promises to be with THEM (the Church is not in focus here). So, stop deciphering and just comprehend the actual statement.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had appointed for them. [SUP]17 [/SUP]When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted.[SUP] 18 [/SUP]And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying...and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.
 

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Unfortunately for J7 Jesus only mentions the wheat harvest not the barley harvest.
 

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Again, it is the completion of the AGE, not world!! The context here is not the church, it is the 11 disciples. He is saying He will be with them even until the end of the age. Quit substituting meanings and audiences. Maintain audience integrity. The 11 disciples were NOT the church. They became fathers of the church but that's besides the point. Christ promises to be with THEM (the Church is not in focus here). So, stop deciphering and just comprehend the actual statement.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had appointed for them. [SUP]17 [/SUP]When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted.[SUP] 18 [/SUP]And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying...and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.
lol...why deny the obvious meaning?

Mat 28:20

Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world
(synteleia aion).Amen.


You understand this to mean:

"I am with you forever, even until the end of this generation(i.e. 40 years down the line)"

I understand it to mean:

"i am with you forever, even until the end of the world"


Your substitution looks a lot flakier than mine.

(oh, and your message to quit: you mean quit quoting the KJV? A bit rad don't ya think?)
 

J7

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It's really sad to see you two butcher scripture, and no-one has the Biblical knowledge to sort out the issue. One last time, and I am blocking you both now, as I gain nothing through engagement with you.

Passover - Barley harvest
Pentecost - First Wheat harvest
Tabernacles - Grape + Fruit harvests, & Second wheat harvest

Deuteronomy 16 13 Thou shalt observe the feast of tabernacles seven days, after that thou hast gathered in thy corn and thy wine:


Goren here, translated corn, really means threshing floor.


Which kind of tells us all we need to know.

But Jesus told us the same really. The May (Spring) harvest, and four months later, the September (Autumn) Harvest.

John 4 35 [FONT=&quot]Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest.

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[FONT=&quot]Two wheat harvests.[/FONT]
 

Locutus

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We just don't agree with your inferpretations J7.





Maybe you're gonna fall under the chickpea harvest...
 

PlainWord

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lol...why deny the obvious meaning?

Mat 28:20

Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world
(synteleia aion).Amen.


You understand this to mean:

"I am with you forever, even until the end of this generation(i.e. 40 years down the line)"

I understand it to mean:

"i am with you forever, even until the end of the world"


Your substitution looks a lot flakier than mine.

(oh, and your message to quit: you mean quit quoting the KJV? A bit rad don't ya think?)
You are the one substituting. Why can't you simply comprehend basic language. Yes, Jesus told the 11 disciples that He would be with them EVEN until the end of (that) age (which was to end in 40 years). The word "church" is not in the text nor is it implied. It was a direct statement to the 11. Why? Because they were all going to face persecution, imprisonment and death (except for John who actually was alive in 70 AD).

The interlinear KJV uses the word "age" just as the NKJV does.
 

PlainWord

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Oh no Locutus, J7 blocked us. That's what futurists do when they cannot win a debate they run and hide. Poor little snowflake.
 

PlainWord

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In Acts 2, Peter invokes Joel and states that they are in the "last days" (now). In Mat 24:1-3, when Jesus discusses the destruction of the temple (which happened in 70 AD), the disciples followed up with asking Him for the signs of when the temple would be destroyed and they equated it to Christ's return and the end of the age.

In Heb 9, Jesus is said to have appeared to put away sin, "ONCE AT THE END OF THE AGES." He would then appear a second time for SALVATION. So, when Christ was on the cross, they were in the end of the ages and 50 days later at Pentecost they were "in the last days." Then in Mat 24, Christ informs that "all these things would take place to that generation" (the one He was speaking to).

Therefore the destruction of Jerusalem (the spiritual capitol of the world), the end of the Law and the end of the Jewish people as a nation, was the END of THE AGE and era and it was the END OF THEIR WORLD as they knew it. All future prophesy was fulfilled back then in the first century as foretold by the prophets.

What happens in our future is anyone's guess but I do see a lot of the same conditions in the world today that existed in the late first century. In America, I see a country divided much as Israel was divided and Christ taught that a house divided against itself cannot stand. I think we are on the threshold of a 3rd world war which could include nukes. If so, there is nothing in the Bible that tells us this.