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this issue of police brutality is real, and it hits very close to my Life. My uncle probably my closest friend in the World was shot and Killed by the police june 1st, 2013. I was there when it happened, and there is no doubt they infact escalated a situation that was simply a drunk person acting foolish, and was no danger to anyone in the situation.
the issue I have with this whole subject is that race has zero to do with it. My uncle, and 5 others over the last 10 years in My Hoimetown Have been Killed by police. 1 was a 72 year old white pastor who spotted an unmarked police car parked on His Land, went out with His registered handgun to see who it was, another was a 42 year old white man who was shot by police and Had a cell phone in His hand, another was a mentally handicapped white man who was beaten so badly that He died in His jail cell. another was a hispanic man a town away from me, who threw a rock at a police officer turned and ran away from them, and was shot 11 times On video.
another was a white man who refised to get out of His truck when they had Him surrounded, and He was shot through the door of His truck while His 2 chilkdren and wife watched, he also had no weapon.
the issue is not race far more whites have been Killed by police, the issue is that Police are never Held accountable for thier Crimes even when there is clear evidence Like a video because the city Understands if the Police officer is found Guilty, they will have to pay millions in damages to the family. Police have to much authority, Not enough de escalation training and are trained as if every citizen is Out to kill them. while its a dangerous Job, an important Job, accountability has to be enforced the same as if a citizen Had done it.
i completely disagree with protesting the flag which is to me a disgrace especially the privilages these athletes have. race is not the issue when it comes to police over use of excessive force. they need to be screened , trained and vetted, tested and held accountable even really to a higher standard because they have been given More power and authority. with those comes accountability. better training, a universal accountability, and training that makes very clear " do not ever use your Gun unless you absolutely have to " thois is not something they are taught, instead they are taught to shoot first and confirm later.
to many are scared and should never be police officers to begin with as was the case with the female officer in the latest aquittal her reasoning was " I was afraid for my Life" the man once again walking away from Here with His hands up shot in the Back because she panicked. there is a very very real issue, and while i may have agreed with you willie before junbe 1st 2013, when it Hits Home eyes open to the issue.
racism does exist and always will because people have freedom of thought, america will never be a place where all people think the same way. its ignorant and to me wrong to have those racist beliefs, but you cant control what others think. wherever there are people there will be disagreeable views and points of belief. truly, Police have too much authopirty to Kill people even when its not necassary. probably 90 percent of them id say just a guess are good reasonable people with no ill will towards anyone, the ten percent though arent good people just because they are a cop. some i would imagine somewhere in them join up for the purpose of having authority and possibly using thier firearm. something has to change with who we make police officers and we have to have body cameras on every one of them, and those cameras as was the case here One toime can never be " not working" as was claimed in the Pastor creach Killing Here. definatley a huge issue that affects or can affect a person any time when one of thier Loved Ones is Killed when it is not necassary.
sorry for the Long post willie and getting a bit off subject as i said, this subject is very close to my Heart and ive looked into the events really across america. race is not the issue
actually the majority of them do those things willie. Kapernick whpo i do not agree with or support in any manner even as a quarterback, gave 1 million towards His community. russell wilson never misses a tuesday at the seattle childrens center and has raise and donated several Million to cnacer research, name after name are doing great things in thier communities, its actually something the nfl has right community service and contributions.
what i dont Get is How when your protest is " I refuse to stand and Hinor the american flag" How then is it " im not trying to disrespect the flag or those who died for americans represented by that flag. the very protest is the issue, not that they are protesting its the act they chose to display thier protest, they actually are protesting america itself because thats what the flag represents. why not go picket on tuesdays at the police dept holding american flags? why not find some protest like " Im not gonna play football untill things change. or why not do anyth9ing other than send the message " I refuse to Hinor america and its ideals because the flag is what represents men who fought and died in the civil war, to free slaves.
People everyday receive an american flag for a lost loved one, Mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters, sons and daughters have died for the progress we have made as a nation, and by our laws all are created equal. No sense in protestoing america when its individuals that do the things Like racism and violence and discrimination....america has progressed from a nation that allowed those things, to a Law that says all are equal.
there are always going to be good people and bad people, but the flag represents much more than individuals. i have an issue with the act saying " I refuse to stand for the american flag" Not that they wish to protest something. its foolish to me and makes no sense americans died for equality and were there according to the Law. women, men, Black white. but some racist individuals who dont get what america is, is no reason to protest america. thats ultimately what protesting the flag is.
what i dont Get is How when your protest is " I refuse to stand and Hinor the american flag" How then is it " im not trying to disrespect the flag or those who died for americans represented by that flag. the very protest is the issue, not that they are protesting its the act they chose to display thier protest, they actually are protesting america itself because thats what the flag represents. why not go picket on tuesdays at the police dept holding american flags? why not find some protest like " Im not gonna play football untill things change. or why not do anyth9ing other than send the message " I refuse to Hinor america and its ideals because the flag is what represents men who fought and died in the civil war, to free slaves.
People everyday receive an american flag for a lost loved one, Mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters, sons and daughters have died for the progress we have made as a nation, and by our laws all are created equal. No sense in protestoing america when its individuals that do the things Like racism and violence and discrimination....america has progressed from a nation that allowed those things, to a Law that says all are equal.
there are always going to be good people and bad people, but the flag represents much more than individuals. i have an issue with the act saying " I refuse to stand for the american flag" Not that they wish to protest something. its foolish to me and makes no sense americans died for equality and were there according to the Law. women, men, Black white. but some racist individuals who dont get what america is, is no reason to protest america. thats ultimately what protesting the flag is.
These people do all the work in the church while those people just come to church and sit on a pew... if the fish aren't biting that day.
Yes, there are plenty of times "these people" and "those people" are appropriate.
And I was deliberately painting with the same broad brush you were using, to make a point.
Yes, there are plenty of times "these people" and "those people" are appropriate.
And I was deliberately painting with the same broad brush you were using, to make a point.
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I think your examples illustrate exactly what I meant. Your sentences are condescending and rude, and separating. “THESE people do all the work in the church while THOSE people just come to church to sit in the pews... if the fish aren’t biting that day.”
So much for brotherly love and Christian unity. Sounds like a little clique among the “workers”. Who is to say who is the better Christian? The pew fillers may be closer to God if they are not harboring division in their hearts.
THESE people and THOSE people are always used to divide, and have a negative connotation. I can think of no way the phrases can be used without a negative connotation.
So much for brotherly love and Christian unity. Sounds like a little clique among the “workers”. Who is to say who is the better Christian? The pew fillers may be closer to God if they are not harboring division in their hearts.
THESE people and THOSE people are always used to divide, and have a negative connotation. I can think of no way the phrases can be used without a negative connotation.
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Alright, I understand what you meant. That people making generalizations are rude, including people who make generalizations about people making generalizations. I get that. Perhaps some people who use the phrases “these people” and “those people” do not intentionally mean to be racist- but it is dividing. I can assure you that many black people are sensitive to the phrases as they sense the “separateness”. And, it may be a subconscious way to separate one self from others. I maintain the phrases always have a negative connotation.
These people on this side of the orchestra play larger instruments than those people on that side of the orchestra. These people in this section play violins while those people in that section play oboes and those people over there play percussion.
My, what a racist statement! I've done gone and offended the whole orchestra so bad that the conductor threw down his baton and stomped out.
My, what a racist statement! I've done gone and offended the whole orchestra so bad that the conductor threw down his baton and stomped out.
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I should have specified. Clarity is not my strong suit. But as you demonstrated with your sentences about church members, the phrases can have a negative connotation about any group of people. Think about the phrase “THOSE people” said about people who are poor, or people who are not Christians- it is almost a universally negative phrase, used to divide in a condescending manner.
Poor people? I pick those people up in the church bus every service. No condescending, I'm happy to see them. Church wouldn't be the same without them.
Perhaps you know some people who use "these people" and "those people" in a negative manner a whole lot, and so you expect that phrase to be negative whenever you read it.
Perhaps you know some people who use "these people" and "those people" in a negative manner a whole lot, and so you expect that phrase to be negative whenever you read it.