Sin Confession: A Waste of Breath?
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And who else shall we censure here on CC for maybe causing us to reconsider and take another look at long standing interpretations of Scripture held by other more well known believers? Like say 1 John 1:9 ? Would you also have shut down the old hymn writer Frances Ridley Havergal?? who wrote all those hymns back in the 1800s?
She came to see 1 John 1:9 differently too. She came to question the very same thing Ben here is questioning and posting for others to read and see. Other Christians like me too who late into my 50s have re considered this verse and it's meaning even though I was taught differently. Even though others have had a long standing interpretation of 1 John 1:9 does this mean we dare not even question?
No., we must study and be ready to give an answer for the hope that is in us. Bible study is one of the many callings we have as Christians. If you are afraid of it., something is wrong with you., not the ones who want to study.
Should we censure Miss Havergal's hymns if I were to cut and paste one? One of my favorite hymns of hers is "Take My Life, and Let It Be"
And what about those like me who utilize the "fine art" of cutting and pasting???? I can't take the time to type out all of what another Christian has said about a topic so I cut and paste. So is cutting and pasting a sin? I often go to Bible gateway and punch in verses and cut and paste those. Sometimes whole chapters!
I often use Bible commentary by the different teachers and preachers I listen to on line by going to their websites. I love the availability of commentary and use it often. Not always agreeing with the whole of the persons opinions but taking what I find to be in line with the things I've come to believe strongly in.
So I should be stopped from doing this here? I certainly hope not because one of the reasons I joined on here at CC was to share and have others share about Jesus and the Bible. There are many who don't agree with me but I'm not threatened by them or "up to here with them" They have just as much right to their convictions as I do.
And let me say also if these Christian writers and preachers and teachers have done a good job in presenting a Bible verse in a way you never considered giving you cause and "pause" to think? Then they have done their job as good Bible teachers and preachers. It doesn't mean they are heretics because they are gifted in handling the Word of God as we all should be striving to do.
Instead of trying to shut those of us Christians down who maybe don't agree 100% with what might be a standard way of looking at some Bible study conclusions, maybe you can do like many of us other Christians have done and start to reconsider the Word as alive and active and relevant for today in our day to day lives. That it actually has power to change how we think and behave.
That for many of us Christians here., 1 John 1:9 is just one of many verses we see differently than we did before when we first believed. And that is not a bad thing. We should always be growing in the knowledge of Jesus and the Bible. We should know we have not "arrived" yet.
What is bad is trying to shut down a brother or sister in Jesus for having a different opinion than you. For if you have nothing more to learn from the Bible and you got it all down pat...,? Than I'd suggest you are in more trouble than you realize. And if you can't stand to hear someone else who presents these different interpretations of say 1 John 1:9 who present the Bible verses and reasons well well? I'd suggest maybe there is a green monster about who would rather see a different opinion shut down than dealt with using the Scriptures and the Holy Spirit to guide.
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It is true and the way we rest in the truth is by faith. When peace comes to our hearts about Jesus when we read the Bible that is a very good thing. That is a Holy Spirit thing. Jesus said My yoke is easy and my burden is light. Jesus is NOT the the author of confusion or upset. The devil is. he makes the Christian life one of works and uncertainty. The Holy Spirit gives us "strong consolation" when we learn to read the Bible with the Him guiding our way.
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I'm going to use my cutting and pasting skills again to repost. This is worth reading again and is keeping in line with previous postings.
Re: Does the Holy Spirit convict the born again believer of sin?
Sometimes we think some truths are new but in reality they are not. Here is someone back in the 1800's that had a supposedly "heretical" understanding of grace in the form of our sins being forgiven and those sins were continually being washed by the blood of Jesus.
I was reading about a hymn writer from the 1800's called Frances Ridley Havergal. She wrote many hymns and knew Latin, French, German, Greek and Hebrew.
She also knew by heart the 4 gospels, epistles and the book of Revelation by the time she was 23 years old - yet she still lived in total defeat.
She thought she had "great wickedness in her heart" - because of religious traditions taught to her which is what humanistic belief systems believe. They think Christians are a "new evolution" and thus they need to create and maintain their own self-righteousness.
It wasn't until she was reading in the Greek that the present tense was used for 1 John 1:7 "...His blood cleanseth us from all sin".
She realized all her sins were forgiven by the blood of Jesus and thus she believed it and experienced peace and joy in her life because of this truth and lived a holier life.
Here is a direct QUOTE:
" Have we not been limiting 1 John 1:7 , by practically making it refer only to "remission of sins that are past" instead of taking the grand simplicity of "cleanseth from all sin"?
"All" is all; and as we may trust Him to cleanse us from the stain of past sins so we may trust Him to cleanse us from all present defilement; yes, all!
By refusing to take 1 John 1:7 in it's fullness, we will lose the fullness of it's application and power in our lives. It goes on cleansing , and I have no words to tell how my heart rejoices in it."
UNQUOTE:
https://books.google.ca/books?id=zO_...%22%3F&f=false
She got the revelation that all her sins were forgiven because she was in Christ and thus always in the Light and His blood continually cleansed her. She was able to walk free in Christ from that point on. Today she would be called a heretic and being in error by some for having this belief.
Believing the true gospel of the grace of God in Christ finished work on the cross and resurrection will change us as we grow in His grace. We grow in His grace by the "hearing of Christ Himself".
Here is a book for those interested in her life: Jennie Chappell, "Women Who Have Worked and Won: the life story of Mrs. Spurgeon, Mrs. Booth-Tucker, F.R. Havergal, and Ramabai," London: S.W. Partridge & Co. Ltd. 1904
Sometimes we think some truths are new but in reality they are not. Here is someone back in the 1800's that had a supposedly "heretical" understanding of grace in the form of our sins being forgiven and those sins were continually being washed by the blood of Jesus.
I was reading about a hymn writer from the 1800's called Frances Ridley Havergal. She wrote many hymns and knew Latin, French, German, Greek and Hebrew.
She also knew by heart the 4 gospels, epistles and the book of Revelation by the time she was 23 years old - yet she still lived in total defeat.
She thought she had "great wickedness in her heart" - because of religious traditions taught to her which is what humanistic belief systems believe. They think Christians are a "new evolution" and thus they need to create and maintain their own self-righteousness.
It wasn't until she was reading in the Greek that the present tense was used for 1 John 1:7 "...His blood cleanseth us from all sin".
She realized all her sins were forgiven by the blood of Jesus and thus she believed it and experienced peace and joy in her life because of this truth and lived a holier life.
Here is a direct QUOTE:
" Have we not been limiting 1 John 1:7 , by practically making it refer only to "remission of sins that are past" instead of taking the grand simplicity of "cleanseth from all sin"?
"All" is all; and as we may trust Him to cleanse us from the stain of past sins so we may trust Him to cleanse us from all present defilement; yes, all!
By refusing to take 1 John 1:7 in it's fullness, we will lose the fullness of it's application and power in our lives. It goes on cleansing , and I have no words to tell how my heart rejoices in it."
UNQUOTE:
https://books.google.ca/books?id=zO_...%22%3F&f=false
She got the revelation that all her sins were forgiven because she was in Christ and thus always in the Light and His blood continually cleansed her. She was able to walk free in Christ from that point on. Today she would be called a heretic and being in error by some for having this belief.
Believing the true gospel of the grace of God in Christ finished work on the cross and resurrection will change us as we grow in His grace. We grow in His grace by the "hearing of Christ Himself".
Here is a book for those interested in her life: Jennie Chappell, "Women Who Have Worked and Won: the life story of Mrs. Spurgeon, Mrs. Booth-Tucker, F.R. Havergal, and Ramabai," London: S.W. Partridge & Co. Ltd. 1904
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Amen, all sins forgiven past, present and future.
We do not create or maintain our own righteousness.
If ongoing sin confession is a part of maintaining our salvation or our righteousness then we have made it a work which is not the gospel.
We do not create or maintain our own righteousness.
If ongoing sin confession is a part of maintaining our salvation or our righteousness then we have made it a work which is not the gospel.
I'm going to use my cutting and pasting skills again to repost. This is worth reading again and is keeping in line with previous postings.
Re: Does the Holy Spirit convict the born again believer of sin?
Sometimes we think some truths are new but in reality they are not. Here is someone back in the 1800's that had a supposedly "heretical" understanding of grace in the form of our sins being forgiven and those sins were continually being washed by the blood of Jesus.
I was reading about a hymn writer from the 1800's called Frances Ridley Havergal. She wrote many hymns and knew Latin, French, German, Greek and Hebrew.
She also knew by heart the 4 gospels, epistles and the book of Revelation by the time she was 23 years old - yet she still lived in total defeat.
She thought she had "great wickedness in her heart" - because of religious traditions taught to her which is what humanistic belief systems believe. They think Christians are a "new evolution" and thus they need to create and maintain their own self-righteousness.
It wasn't until she was reading in the Greek that the present tense was used for 1 John 1:7 "...His blood cleanseth us from all sin".
She realized all her sins were forgiven by the blood of Jesus and thus she believed it and experienced peace and joy in her life because of this truth and lived a holier life.
Here is a direct QUOTE:
" Have we not been limiting 1 John 1:7 , by practically making it refer only to "remission of sins that are past" instead of taking the grand simplicity of "cleanseth from all sin"?
"All" is all; and as we may trust Him to cleanse us from the stain of past sins so we may trust Him to cleanse us from all present defilement; yes, all!
By refusing to take 1 John 1:7 in it's fullness, we will lose the fullness of it's application and power in our lives. It goes on cleansing , and I have no words to tell how my heart rejoices in it."
UNQUOTE:
https://books.google.ca/books?id=zO_...%22%3F&f=false
She got the revelation that all her sins were forgiven because she was in Christ and thus always in the Light and His blood continually cleansed her. She was able to walk free in Christ from that point on. Today she would be called a heretic and being in error by some for having this belief.
Believing the true gospel of the grace of God in Christ finished work on the cross and resurrection will change us as we grow in His grace. We grow in His grace by the "hearing of Christ Himself".
Here is a book for those interested in her life: Jennie Chappell, "Women Who Have Worked and Won: the life story of Mrs. Spurgeon, Mrs. Booth-Tucker, F.R. Havergal, and Ramabai," London: S.W. Partridge & Co. Ltd. 1904
Sometimes we think some truths are new but in reality they are not. Here is someone back in the 1800's that had a supposedly "heretical" understanding of grace in the form of our sins being forgiven and those sins were continually being washed by the blood of Jesus.
I was reading about a hymn writer from the 1800's called Frances Ridley Havergal. She wrote many hymns and knew Latin, French, German, Greek and Hebrew.
She also knew by heart the 4 gospels, epistles and the book of Revelation by the time she was 23 years old - yet she still lived in total defeat.
She thought she had "great wickedness in her heart" - because of religious traditions taught to her which is what humanistic belief systems believe. They think Christians are a "new evolution" and thus they need to create and maintain their own self-righteousness.
It wasn't until she was reading in the Greek that the present tense was used for 1 John 1:7 "...His blood cleanseth us from all sin".
She realized all her sins were forgiven by the blood of Jesus and thus she believed it and experienced peace and joy in her life because of this truth and lived a holier life.
Here is a direct QUOTE:
" Have we not been limiting 1 John 1:7 , by practically making it refer only to "remission of sins that are past" instead of taking the grand simplicity of "cleanseth from all sin"?
"All" is all; and as we may trust Him to cleanse us from the stain of past sins so we may trust Him to cleanse us from all present defilement; yes, all!
By refusing to take 1 John 1:7 in it's fullness, we will lose the fullness of it's application and power in our lives. It goes on cleansing , and I have no words to tell how my heart rejoices in it."
UNQUOTE:
https://books.google.ca/books?id=zO_...%22%3F&f=false
She got the revelation that all her sins were forgiven because she was in Christ and thus always in the Light and His blood continually cleansed her. She was able to walk free in Christ from that point on. Today she would be called a heretic and being in error by some for having this belief.
Believing the true gospel of the grace of God in Christ finished work on the cross and resurrection will change us as we grow in His grace. We grow in His grace by the "hearing of Christ Himself".
Here is a book for those interested in her life: Jennie Chappell, "Women Who Have Worked and Won: the life story of Mrs. Spurgeon, Mrs. Booth-Tucker, F.R. Havergal, and Ramabai," London: S.W. Partridge & Co. Ltd. 1904
Hebrews 6:18 [SUP]18 [/SUP]This was so that, by two unchangeable things [His promise and His oath] in which it is impossible for God ever to prove false or deceive us, we who have fled [to Him] for refuge might have mighty indwelling strength and strong encouragement to grasp and hold fast the hope appointed for us and set before [us]. Amplified Bible
[SUP]18 [/SUP]that by two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we may have a strong encouragement, who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us: NAS
[SUP]16-20 [/SUP]Among men it is customary to swear by something greater than themselves. And if a statement is confirmed by an oath, that is the end of all quibbling. So in this matter, God, wishing to show beyond doubt that his plan was unchangeable, confirmed it with an oath. So that by two utterly immutable things, the word of God and the oath of God, who cannot lie, we who are refugees from this dying world might have a source of strength, and might grasp the hope that he holds out to us. This hope we hold as the utterly reliable anchor for our souls, fixed in the very certainty of God himself in Heaven, where Jesus has already entered on our behalf, having become, as we have seen, “High Priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek”. Phillips translation
[SUP]18 [/SUP]That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us: KJV
I've discovered over the years that it's important to Jesus that I have a strong security and solid basis for my faith in Him. I need to be able to know without a shadow of a doubt when the trials of life come., when the fearful issues come that cause me to shudder back in doubt I need to know HE wants me to have a strong confidence in Him.
Confidence is something the Holy Spirit gives us. We can't whip it up within ourselves when the fiery darts start coming our way. They are meant to hit the target and often will unless we have that STRONG consolation.
I don't understand why so many Christians want to keep themselves and others uncertain of the love and the promises of God. We need that strong consolation because that is the POSTURE we have to have to meet the times of our lives. We need to lean hard on His love for us while here on earth. We can't allow things to the right or left of us stop our vision of Jesus and His love for us.
I've discovered when I do allow the things to the left and to the right of me distort my faith., I'm a sitting duck. But with Him., I'm like an eagle who can soar with little effort.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]that by two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we may have a strong encouragement, who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us: NAS
[SUP]16-20 [/SUP]Among men it is customary to swear by something greater than themselves. And if a statement is confirmed by an oath, that is the end of all quibbling. So in this matter, God, wishing to show beyond doubt that his plan was unchangeable, confirmed it with an oath. So that by two utterly immutable things, the word of God and the oath of God, who cannot lie, we who are refugees from this dying world might have a source of strength, and might grasp the hope that he holds out to us. This hope we hold as the utterly reliable anchor for our souls, fixed in the very certainty of God himself in Heaven, where Jesus has already entered on our behalf, having become, as we have seen, “High Priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek”. Phillips translation
[SUP]18 [/SUP]That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us: KJV
I've discovered over the years that it's important to Jesus that I have a strong security and solid basis for my faith in Him. I need to be able to know without a shadow of a doubt when the trials of life come., when the fearful issues come that cause me to shudder back in doubt I need to know HE wants me to have a strong confidence in Him.
Confidence is something the Holy Spirit gives us. We can't whip it up within ourselves when the fiery darts start coming our way. They are meant to hit the target and often will unless we have that STRONG consolation.
I don't understand why so many Christians want to keep themselves and others uncertain of the love and the promises of God. We need that strong consolation because that is the POSTURE we have to have to meet the times of our lives. We need to lean hard on His love for us while here on earth. We can't allow things to the right or left of us stop our vision of Jesus and His love for us.
I've discovered when I do allow the things to the left and to the right of me distort my faith., I'm a sitting duck. But with Him., I'm like an eagle who can soar with little effort.
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The Hebrew word "proverbs" is formed from the verb to "rule," or "govern." This means that "Proverbs" is a wisdom-holder, and its purpose is to rule with its heavenly light man's conduct in the Earth.
The Hebrew מִ֖שְׁלֵי is plural noun which is indeed derived from מַשָׁל which means govern. The concept here is self government (training) of the mind. We do not need to aimlessly follow every thought that enters our head.
The Hebrew מִ֖שְׁלֵי is plural noun which is indeed derived from מַשָׁל which means govern. The concept here is self government (training) of the mind. We do not need to aimlessly follow every thought that enters our head.
The Lord's Prayer = Forgiving others in order to be forgiven (this isn't sin confession).
1 John 1:9 = Confess your sins in order to be forgiven (with a misunderstanding of the verse).
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1 John 1:9 = Confess your sins in order to be forgiven (with a misunderstanding of the verse).
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People point out the Lord's prayer as a source for sin confession, but it isn't even about confessing sin. Its about receiving forgiveness, and only on that count does it merit consideration in this discussion of total forgiveness. It does not, however, come in agreement with sin confession for forgiveness, its another matter entirely.
The Lord's prayer suggests a formula for receiving forgiveness from God, and that formula is that we receive forgiveness from the Father dependent upon our forgiveness of other's trespasses towards us. Now, consider these verses of the Lord's prayer (and formula) in relation to everything we can glean from Hebrews of the total forgiveness of sin we have, how sin is dealt with through bloodshed, and Jesus as our High Priest able to save us completely since He has an eternal priesthood. There seems to be a contradiction, and for this reason, it needs to be resolved.
I want to reemphasize, the Lord's prayer is not about sin confession (nor is it a supporting argument for it). It is however a presented avenue of receiving forgiveness that contradicts (seemingly) the forgiveness we have because of Jesus Christ. How can this be resolved? What are we missing?
Well, I would poise a few questions to you. Are we saved by grace through faith, or works? Do we find in the New Testament, past Jesus' death and resurrection, any mention of forgiving others in order to receive forgiveness? And finally, did Jesus fail to obtain for us forgiveness by the shedding of His blood? Lets take a look at these questions and their implications.
Are we saved by grace through faith or works? How is this relevant to the discussion? Well, forgiveness has been obtained through faith in Jesus Christ, right? How then under the New Covenant must we forgive others in order to receive forgiveness when it is something that has already been granted? Now consider this, think upon it.
If our forgiveness is dependent upon our willingness to forgive others, then salvation is not by grace through faith, but by works. Works being an effort of our own, and that is our willingness to forgive others. Salvation at this point is a wage due and not a free gift because I, personally, met God's criteria of forgiving others so that I would be forgiven. Is Jesus truly my savior when my forgiveness lies in my hands?
Secondly, do we find any mention whatsoever of the necessity to forgive others in order to receive forgiveness from the Father, after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ (the beginning of the new covenant)? No, on the contrary we find exactly the opposite.
Ephesians 4:32 King James Version (KJV)
32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
Colossians 3:13 King James Version (KJV)
13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
Please note that we have been, past tense, forgiven and for this reason we ought to forgive. The Lord's prayer says to forgive in order to receive forgiveness, the new covenant post Jesus' death and resurrection says to forgive because you have been forgiven. It is ours, not something we earn. Which we now go to the final question and point.
Did Jesus fail to obtain for us the forgiveness of sins through the shedding of His blood? Well, what does the Word of God says about sin and how it experiences remission?
Hebrews 9:22 King James Version (KJV)
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Hebrews 10:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
We see then that forgiveness of sin is dependent upon bloodshed and it is through Christ's sacrifice that our sin experienced remission/forgiveness.
Hebrews 10:10-14 King James Version (KJV)
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
The implication of these verses is that we are forgiven, Jesus' sacrifice is sufficient and through His bloodshed our sins have experienced remission. How does scripture say we, if you will, apply this to our account? By faith. We believe the Gospel, believe God's account of His Son and the redemptive plan of salvation.
These three questions led us to what conclusion? Our forgiveness is through Jesus Christ as He shed His blood for the remission of our sins, that our salvation is not of our own doing but is by grace through faith (and so our forgiveness is by the Lord, not our willingness to forgive others), and Jesus was, indeed, successful in His mission to reconcile us to the Father. We also see that no where after Jesus died and resurrected and the new covenant was put in place that our forgiveness is dependent upon our willingness to forgive others, rather our forgiveness of others is encouraged by the reality of the forgiveness we have from God for Christ's sake. Amen, hallelujah!
Many will follow and worship the teachings and traditions of man following the word of website over the Word of God. As it is written......
Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive: For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.
For they went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draws near: go ye not therefore after them.
Who shall you follow the Word of website of the Word of God?
Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive: For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.
For they went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draws near: go ye not therefore after them.
Who shall you follow the Word of website of the Word of God?
Ben I think you need a lesson on how a testament works ok. Let me educate you out of this strange teaching that Jesus' words were "Old covenant" and dont matter. So He preached all kindsa things, said His words remain forever but then He died and resurrected, changed His mind and all the doctrines He gave to the apostles were changed too, and He chose Paul and did it all over again, well that was a short lived "remain forever", things changed right away.
Let us press on: Im living now, I write my testament, i die, now the testament that I gave WHILE LIVING becomes effective..
Same thing with Jesus, He spoke His testament while alive, to the apostles, then He died and resurrected and it became effective.
He didn't speak and preach to the apostles and to the people for years, only for it all to become of non-effect after His resurrection and He flips the script and sends in Paul with a completely "different" doctrine. This is madness and confusion.
Let us press on: Im living now, I write my testament, i die, now the testament that I gave WHILE LIVING becomes effective..
Same thing with Jesus, He spoke His testament while alive, to the apostles, then He died and resurrected and it became effective.
He didn't speak and preach to the apostles and to the people for years, only for it all to become of non-effect after His resurrection and He flips the script and sends in Paul with a completely "different" doctrine. This is madness and confusion.
Isn't that exactly what you are doing and many others? Crying out for quotes from history to reaffirm their belief. Is this not the teaching and traditions of man, that you speak of? I am having you reflect on what you've been traditionally taught and to look to the Word of God for the basis of truth as opposed to historical Christianity. Just because a belief has been long held does not mean it is correct.
You're responding to me in your preconceived ideas of what I believe instead of looking at what is being said. Don't jump to conclusions, actually read what is being said. If our willingness to forgive others is imperative to our forgiveness (our very salvation!) why do we not see the Lord's Prayer echoed past the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ? The answer is found in the reality of a new covenant. A righteousness that is of faith, not works. A forgiveness granted for Christ's sake and not of our own doing.
It is extremely difficult to believe we are forgiven, redeemed and made holy by what Jesus did and not by what we do. It requires us to lay aside our pride and ego and trust wholly in Jesus' finished work. Spiritually we who are saved no longer sin. The battle we now wage is for our souls (what we think and feel). Obviously God does not want us in the faith lacking cycle of sin, confess, repeat. The truly amazing thing occurs when we start to walk in the light of the truth of who God says we are instead of who we think and feel we are. Then and only then can we go from a toxic faith that attempts to gain self worth from following a set of church based rules to a true faith where we get our worth from the faith that we are who God says we are (holy, righteous, redeemed).
It is a pitiful thing indeed when institutions like the rcc and others keep people in bondage by twisting the good news of liberation that is the gospel of Jesus. Some churches will say "we do what Jesus said to do" all the while never even considering that He gave paul His gospel for us and that gospel is one of forgiveness and freedom. Confess your faults, even call them sins if that makes you feel better but do it to be healed because they have all already been forgiven. God lives in the future too, He knows what we will do and yet He loves us anyway. Thank you Jesus!!
It is a pitiful thing indeed when institutions like the rcc and others keep people in bondage by twisting the good news of liberation that is the gospel of Jesus. Some churches will say "we do what Jesus said to do" all the while never even considering that He gave paul His gospel for us and that gospel is one of forgiveness and freedom. Confess your faults, even call them sins if that makes you feel better but do it to be healed because they have all already been forgiven. God lives in the future too, He knows what we will do and yet He loves us anyway. Thank you Jesus!!
Hi Ben,
No that was nearly all scripture both old and new but all for. We should obey God rather then man. Some turn to man instead of God and follow the word of website over the Word of God. We need to seek Jesus through the Word only. He will teach us and all will find him if they with honest heart seek him to know him. He stands at our door and knocks. Who will open?
Couldn't give you the rep someone beat me to it! Awesome post!!
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12-13 [/SUP]So then, my dearest friends, as you have always followed my advice—and that not only when I was present to give it—so now that I am far away be keener than ever to work out the salvation that God has given you with a proper sense of awe and responsibility. For it is God who is at work within you, giving you the will and the power to achieve his purpose.
I like the way the Phillips trans puts this. We don't work "for" our salvation., we work from our salvation. We work "out" what Jesus worked "in" We have been given all we need pertaining to life and Godliness
2 Peter 1:3
[SUP]3 [/SUP]seeing that His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us [SUP][a][/SUP]by His own glory and [SUP][b][/SUP]excellence.
Amen!!!!!