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[valiant]

Originally Posted by valiant

funny thing is that elohim (God) in Hebrew means at least three

That IS funny!
Shows YOU don't know Hebrew...

-im is the masculine plural ending and signifies at least three. There is a dual form in Hebrew.

 

[theQuestiion]

Interview with the late Dr. Walter Martin by John Ankerberg.
When you’re talking to a Jehovah’s Witness, or for that matter a cultist, about the Trinity, the simplest thing to do is to say, “Look, the nature of God is beyond our understanding.
Everybody knows that.

You can fool fools with THAT whopper!
The "nature" of Goid is as Jesus said: He is spirit. Not Flesh.
Only Churchianity gives that 'Sacred Mystery' coprolite.

Jesus said we must come to KNOW God.
WE JWs do; he is no Mystery to us.

 

[garee]

So Jesus is the Father?
What about his disciples whop were ALSO one with the Father?
They God, too?

That post shows "spirit" does NOT mean "ghost" in Greek~

Spirit in Greek is πνεύμα - pnévma (pneuma)
Spirit in Latin is spiritus.

Both in Greek and Latin, the spirit is breath, wind, blowing, puff, blast

Ghost in Greek is φάντασμα - fántasma
Ghost in Latin is phasma

Same difference God is one Spirit, the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Ghost.

He is not a man as us he uses human terms as immutable attributes as a work of his one faith. a mutual work of submission in respect to those two attributes.

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Not will be one or are one at different times but have always existed as one God. he is the lamb slain from the foundation .

Not from the outward promised demonstration of a work not seen. Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

 

[garee]

You can fool fools with THAT whopper!
The "nature" of Goid is as Jesus said: He is spirit. Not Flesh.
Only Churchianity gives that 'Sacred Mystery' coprolite.

Jesus said we must come to KNOW God.
WE JWs do; he is no Mystery to us.

If that was true then why the mysterious no blood transfusions ?

 

[Dino246]

NEXT on the List~

Deut 6:4- Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.-ASV

Self explanatory!
Neither THREE, nor Three-in-One, nor anything implying otherwise!

Try looking at some other translations, instead of just the one that confirms your position...

ESV
“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

HCSB
“Listen, Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is One.

KJV
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

NASB
“Hear, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one!

NIV
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

NKJV
“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one!

NLT
“Listen, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord alone.

NRSV
Hear, O Israel: The Lord is our God, the Lord alone.

OJB
Shema Yisroel Adonoi Eloheinu Adonoi Echad.

 

[jaybird88]

If that was true then why the mysterious no blood transfusions ?

i agree with the no blood idea, the bible supports it and im not a JW, just a guy that accepts scripture for what they are and dont try to spin them to fit my ideas.

 

[jaybird88]

Try looking at some other translations, instead of just the one that confirms your position...

ESV
“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

HCSB
“Listen, Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is One.

KJV
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

NASB
“Hear, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one!

NIV
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

NKJV
“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one!

NLT
“Listen, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord alone.

NRSV
Hear, O Israel: The Lord is our God, the Lord alone.

OJB
Shema Yisroel Adonoi Eloheinu Adonoi Echad.

which translation says the Most High is three in one?

 

[MarcR]

The TWO THOUSAND YEAR Slander!


The 'Holy' Trinity, the Triune 'Godhead', God-the-Father, God-the-Son, God-the- Holy Ghost, a 'Three-in-One' God!
For TWO THOUSAND YEARS this flimsily disguised Polytheism has been taught and programmed into our minds by CHURCHianity
Is it TRUE?
No. But they twist and mis-translate enough scriptures to fool the masses.
Originally, the Roman Universal ('Catholic') church tortured and killed those refusing to accept this Fabricated Trio.


However, the matter really CAN be easily cleared up WITH NO DOUBT by simply taking a closer look at the Bible, while setting Church Dogma aside!
If you WANT truth- pray for Understanding as you read these inspired words of our maker!
All scriptures giving insight as to who God and Christ are, and what the holy spirit is- from the very START of
the Bible (Genesis)- in ORDER- to the very END of it (Revelation).


We first start with the very first reference to the holy spirit:


Gen 1:2- And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the spirit of God
moved upon the face of the waters.


Nothing to indicate a Ghost-God..."spirit' is the translation of the Hebrew word for "breath, wind"- an unseen force.

We find the basic statement concerning the oneness of God in Deu 6:4.

Dt 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
KJV

The Word translated as one, אֵֶחַד , signifies composite rather than absolute unity.

This is clearly seen in. Nu 13:23
23 And they came unto the brook of Eshcol, and cut down from thence a branch with one cluster of grapes, and they bare it between two upon a staff; and they brought of the pomegranates, and of the figs.
KJV

one cluster of grapes had so many grapes it required two men to carry it.

Each grape on the rachis (branched stem) of the cluster could be identified by variations in color, size, and/or position; but, it was still one cluster.

 

[theQuestiion]

Same difference God is one Spirit, the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Ghost.

He is not a man as us he uses human terms as immutable attributes as a work of his one faith. a mutual work of submission in respect to those two attributes.

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Not will be one or are one at different times but have always existed as one God. he is the lamb slain from the foundation .

Not from the outward promised demonstration of a work not seen. Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

The same ridiculous mantra.
God, Christ, Angels and demons are SPIRIT beings.
That is their 'nature'.
Jesus, his God and Father, and his disciples are one.

No Triune ANYTHING- except in church coprolite.

 

[theQuestiion]

If that was true then why the mysterious no blood transfusions ?

There IS no "If".
"This means ETERNAL LIFE- KNOWING you"- Jesus, John 17:3.
We KNOW God.
Lacking all the details of His requirements does not mean otherwise.

 

[theQuestiion]

We find the basic statement concerning the oneness of God in Deu 6:4.

Dt 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
KJV

The Word translated as one, אֵֶחַד , signifies composite rather than absolute unity.

This is clearly seen in. Nu 13:23
23 And they came unto the brook of Eshcol, and cut down from thence a branch with one cluster of grapes, and they bare it between two upon a staff; and they brought of the pomegranates, and of the figs.
KJV

one cluster of grapes had so many grapes it required two men to carry it.

Each grape on the rachis (branched stem) of the cluster could be identified by variations in color, size, and/or position; but, it was still one cluster.

Silly spin.
If God were THREE- He...excuse me!...THEY would have stated it so.

 

[MarcR]

Silly spin.
If God were THREE- He...excuse me!...THEY would have stated it so.

֞םו דקקצ שנםוא שד אקשבישנךק שד צט ךקכא דיםקף שמג ֡ גםמ֚א שרעוק ׳ןאי ןא קןאיקר.

Sorry I had my keyboard set to type Hebrew. I don't plan to respond to you any more.

You seem to be about as teachable as my left shoe; and I don't argue with it either.

 

[theQuestiion]

Try looking at some other translations, instead of just the one that confirms your position...

ESV
“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

HCSB
“Listen, Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is One.

KJV
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

NASB
“Hear, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one!

NIV
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

NKJV
“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one!

NLT
“Listen, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord alone.

NRSV
Hear, O Israel: The Lord is our God, the Lord alone.

OJB
Shema Yisroel Adonoi Eloheinu Adonoi Echad.

I don't use translations that remove God's name very often.

 

[theQuestiion]

-im is the masculine plural ending and signifies at least three. There is a dual form in Hebrew.

If you choose to believe your church, rather than learn- who am I to stop you?

 

[tourist]

Time to stop feeding the troll.

 

[theQuestiion]

Notice that church worshipers ('churchoids') can't even agree that God is One!
They HAVE to have spin to believe They are Three.
And that THEY are 'One' God, as in the 3 in 1 Motor oil!

 

[Amberlight]

Notice that church worshipers ('churchoids') can't even agree that God is One!
They HAVE to have spin to believe They are Three.
And that THEY are 'One' God, as in the 3 in 1 Motor oil!

Now now lets tone that down a bit.

 

[theQuestiion]

Now now lets tone that down a bit.

How?
That is EXACTLY what they do?

How would YOU phrase it?

 

[jaybird88]

if the Most High is not one then what would be the point of the bible proclaiming over and over He is one? all this emphasis on one when behind closed doors He is three in one? what would be the point to all that?

32And the scribe said to him, “You are right, Teacher. You have truly said that he is one, and there is no other besides him.

the idea of the Most High being one was of great importance to these guys back then.

 

[Dino246]

The same ridiculous mantra.
God, Christ, Angels and demons are SPIRIT beings.
That is their 'nature'.
Jesus, his God and Father, and his disciples are one.

No Triune ANYTHING- except in church coprolite.

Watch your language.