Let's kill the anti-rhetoric concerning missions

[Angela53510]

Thank you so much Depleted, for helping me make my case.

Ya see? I'm 65 years old. I am on no medication/s, save some eyedrops, for cataract surgery I had last week. My blood pressure surprises Dr's. each time they take it, because it's just a tad below "normal". And the fact, that I'm 280 pounds @ 5'9", and smoke a pack of cigarettes (kool mild's) a day! Not diabetic, no heart disease/s, and am otherwise in pretty good health! Upon showing their amazement concerning my physical health. I tell each n every one of 'em: "I'm blessed!" I leave it to each individual's own interpretation of their own "religious belief system/s", as to "who, or whom, or what" I'm blessed by, or with!

I don't get headaches, in thinking about such things as I've stated, because , it is been by my own personal experience/s, and "striving's" to Love the Lord MY God, with ALL my heart, and ALL my soul, and ALL my heart, and ALL my strength, and ALL my mind! Notice, I didn't even mention "my religion."

This part here, is going to be a little hard for me to explain, but, shall give it a whirl anyway. We all are "wired" differently, regarding some things. whereas, we ALL are wired the same, in regards to other things. El Shaddai (God, for all intensive purposes), has within His power, and might, to correctly, "rewire" parts, or, those parts, within the grey matter area, to make it profitable, not only For the Glory of God, and Jesus Christ, but also, for one's own "physical" health, as well! I hope someone smiled, or, was in agreement, with my last statement. Even "little" things, such as a "crook" in your neck, a yawn (usually, a scoffer moment), an itching of your head, ear/s, or body....Means something! Generally? Not a good something, or profitable something, as far as the Kingdom of God, and Kingdom of Light, are concerned. May be indicative of a something good for flesh....or self, but, not God, nor His Son, nor, of the true light.

"Back in the day" of the O.T., when people became sick, or ill, others would ask of them what they did, or were doing wrong, or not doing correctly, that God would place such a calamity, or illness upon them. And, it's not like God did anything TO, them, except perhaps, turn His head (blessing) away from them. Cuz the devil gonna do, what the devil gonna do, right?....NATURALLY!

You are stronger, then you are being made to believe you are!

Yes, well, you have some mighty good genes. The rain falls on the just and unjust. Some get sick, some don't. My mom was the healthiest person I know until her 80's and not a Christian till she turned 81. She was playing 36 holes of golf a day, in her 70's, till she wore out a hip. Then she only golfed 18 holes, plus walking the whole course.

I am sick! I have been sick a long time. God allowed me this sickness, because it caused me to grow closer to him, and totally changed my character. I hate RA, but, when I think of how I was before I got so sick, and the pain, I realize God really did have a perfect plan for my life, and continues to.


As for 2 sides, I was definitely in the middle for a long time. Arminianism, which was taught in the charismatic/Pentecostal churches I was in (although I know not all charismatic/Pentecostal churches teach this), was a bankrupt and spiritually destructive doctrine for me. My husband had me living in terror that I was going to lose my salvation for just looking the wrong way.

But God never left me, not even when I turned my face to the wall and stopped reading my Bible for 2 long, empty and lonely years, and stopped going to church. In fact, God encouraged me for months and months to pick up my Bible and just read the Psalms. Which I did! Five a day, and one month to complete the whole 150. For 2 years.

At the end of that time, God called me to seminary, and started wiping me clean of Arminianism. It was a long journey. I am grateful for God that he was there, teaching and leading me, in spite of myself and what I had been taught. It started with believing in eternal security, and moved forward from there.

I am now Baptist Reformed. And even some Reformed friends accept my calling as a woman pastor, so, there is enough leeway for me to be able to serve God in the way he called me. And besides, women in ministry is not that important compared to how we are saved and the sovereignty of God.

I sat on the fence a long time. I call that the "middle." I walked far away from charismania and all the lies of the Word Faith and then hypergrace forum. But, God is in control! I have known that a long, long time! I believe it is best expressed in Reformed doctrines, but certainly people in the middle or on the other side are as saved as me.

As for the Word Faith stuff, sorry to hear you are into that. God is blessing you, but have you truly been changed by him? Suffering has a way of changing us, and often for good. Here is a life verse God gave me!

"More than that, we rejoice in our afflictions, knowing that afflictions produce endurance, endurance produces character and character produces hope. And hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured out by the Holy Spirit who has been given to us." Romans 5:3-5

 

[Depleted]

Thank you so much Depleted, for helping me make my case.

Ya see? I'm 65 years old. I am on no medication/s, save some eyedrops, for cataract surgery I had last week. My blood pressure surprises Dr's. each time they take it, because it's just a tad below "normal". And the fact, that I'm 280 pounds @ 5'9", and smoke a pack of cigarettes (kool mild's) a day! Not diabetic, no heart disease/s, and am otherwise in pretty good health! Upon showing their amazement concerning my physical health. I tell each n every one of 'em: "I'm blessed!" I leave it to each individual's own interpretation of their own "religious belief system/s", as to "who, or whom, or what" I'm blessed by, or with!

I don't get headaches, in thinking about such things as I've stated, because , it is been by my own personal experience/s, and "striving's" to Love the Lord MY God, with ALL my heart, and ALL my soul, and ALL my heart, and ALL my strength, and ALL my mind! Notice, I didn't even mention "my religion."

This part here, is going to be a little hard for me to explain, but, shall give it a whirl anyway. We all are "wired" differently, regarding some things. whereas, we ALL are wired the same, in regards to other things. El Shaddai (God, for all intensive purposes), has within His power, and might, to correctly, "rewire" parts, or, those parts, within the grey matter area, to make it profitable, not only For the Glory of God, and Jesus Christ, but also, for one's own "physical" health, as well! I hope someone smiled, or, was in agreement, with my last statement. Even "little" things, such as a "crook" in your neck, a yawn (usually, a scoffer moment), an itching of your head, ear/s, or body....Means something! Generally? Not a good something, or profitable something, as far as the Kingdom of God, and Kingdom of Light, are concerned. May be indicative of a something good for flesh....or self, but, not God, nor His Son, nor, of the true light.

"Back in the day" of the O.T., when people became sick, or ill, others would ask of them what they did, or were doing wrong, or not doing correctly, that God would place such a calamity, or illness upon them. And, it's not like God did anything TO, them, except perhaps, turn His head (blessing) away from them. Cuz the devil gonna do, what the devil gonna do, right?....NATURALLY!

You are stronger, then you are being made to believe you are!

Well, since you need eyedrops, also understand your choice in rinky-dinky fonts and lots of bolding where I can't understand why you've bolded is another reason you're posts give me headaches. Eye strain.

 

[Depleted]

Let's see..... "Choose you this day whom you will serve." Somewhere in Joshua. 24:14, I think.

or, "You are the slave of whomever you choose to serve." Romans 6:16

I guess it was a slow day, and they just needed some words to fill the parchment.

Good example of what I was telling Marc about you --

My emotions become louder than my reasoning after people refuse to listen to reason. You haven't received my emotional side, because you are willing to reason. And reason doesn't always mean "agree." It means you listen, and are willing to keep within reason.

Willie doesn't most of the time, and he blames it on me not being reasonable either.

 

[Depleted]

Yes, well, you have some mighty good genes. The rain falls on the just and unjust. Some get sick, some don't. My mom was the healthiest person I know until her 80's and not a Christian till she turned 81. She was playing 36 holes of golf a day, in her 70's, till she wore out a hip. Then she only golfed 18 holes, plus walking the whole course.

I am sick! I have been sick a long time. God allowed me this sickness, because it caused me to grow closer to him, and totally changed my character. I hate RA, but, when I think of how I was before I got so sick, and the pain, I realize God really did have a perfect plan for my life, and continues to.


As for 2 sides, I was definitely in the middle for a long time. Arminianism, which was taught in the charismatic/Pentecostal churches I was in (although I know not all charismatic/Pentecostal churches teach this), was a bankrupt and spiritually destructive doctrine for me. My husband had me living in terror that I was going to lose my salvation for just looking the wrong way.

But God never left me, not even when I turned my face to the wall and stopped reading my Bible for 2 long, empty and lonely years, and stopped going to church. In fact, God encouraged me for months and months to pick up my Bible and just read the Psalms. Which I did! Five a day, and one month to complete the whole 150. For 2 years.

At the end of that time, God called me to seminary, and started wiping me clean of Arminianism. It was a long journey. I am grateful for God that he was there, teaching and leading me, in spite of myself and what I had been taught. It started with believing in eternal security, and moved forward from there.

I am now Baptist Reformed. And even some Reformed friends accept my calling as a woman pastor, so, there is enough leeway for me to be able to serve God in the way he called me. And besides, women in ministry is not that important compared to how we are saved and the sovereignty of God.

I sat on the fence a long time. I call that the "middle." I walked far away from charismania and all the lies of the Word Faith and then hypergrace forum. But, God is in control! I have known that a long, long time! I believe it is best expressed in Reformed doctrines, but certainly people in the middle or on the other side are as saved as me.

As for the Word Faith stuff, sorry to hear you are into that. God is blessing you, but have you truly been changed by him? Suffering has a way of changing us, and often for good. Here is a life verse God gave me!

"More than that, we rejoice in our afflictions, knowing that afflictions produce endurance, endurance produces character and character produces hope. And hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured out by the Holy Spirit who has been given to us." Romans 5:3-5

Ohhhh, WoF stuff? Thanks for the shortened-condensed translation.

Like I was saying more than Arminianism and Calvinism, don't hold anything against Arminians until it becomes the gospel, and Arminian is better that other choices made. I was actually thinking it was better than WoF, so there you go. Went around circle there and Naybor is thinking he is a side in the Arminian/Calvinism thing. Not really. WoF is a whole different animal.

I mentioned two sides that were real -- God's side or the other side. I put WoF at "the other side." I don't do that with Arminians. (I do think some Arminians aren't saved like they think they are, but I'm fairly certain some Calvinists aren't saved like they think they are too.)

But, Angela, thanks for the heads up on the translating with Naylor. Really couldn't understand what he was talking about the first time. And really didn't care if he thought he was perfect because of his health. Truthfully, it's 2017, not 1917. Most 65 year olds are healthy.

 

[NayborBear]

Yes, well, you have some mighty good genes. The rain falls on the just and unjust. Some get sick, some don't. My mom was the healthiest person I know until her 80's and not a Christian till she turned 81. She was playing 36 holes of golf a day, in her 70's, till she wore out a hip. Then she only golfed 18 holes, plus walking the whole course.

I am sick! I have been sick a long time. God allowed me this sickness, because it caused me to grow closer to him, and totally changed my character. I hate RA, but, when I think of how I was before I got so sick, and the pain, I realize God really did have a perfect plan for my life, and continues to.


As for 2 sides, I was definitely in the middle for a long time. Arminianism, which was taught in the charismatic/Pentecostal churches I was in (although I know not all charismatic/Pentecostal churches teach this), was a bankrupt and spiritually destructive doctrine for me. My husband had me living in terror that I was going to lose my salvation for just looking the wrong way.

But God never left me, not even when I turned my face to the wall and stopped reading my Bible for 2 long, empty and lonely years, and stopped going to church. In fact, God encouraged me for months and months to pick up my Bible and just read the Psalms. Which I did! Five a day, and one month to complete the whole 150. For 2 years.

At the end of that time, God called me to seminary, and started wiping me clean of Arminianism. It was a long journey. I am grateful for God that he was there, teaching and leading me, in spite of myself and what I had been taught. It started with believing in eternal security, and moved forward from there.

I am now Baptist Reformed. And even some Reformed friends accept my calling as a woman pastor, so, there is enough leeway for me to be able to serve God in the way he called me. And besides, women in ministry is not that important compared to how we are saved and the sovereignty of God.

I sat on the fence a long time. I call that the "middle." I walked far away from charismania and all the lies of the Word Faith and then hypergrace forum. But, God is in control! I have known that a long, long time! I believe it is best expressed in Reformed doctrines, but certainly people in the middle or on the other side are as saved as me.

As for the Word Faith stuff, sorry to hear you are into that. God is blessing you, but have you truly been changed by him? Suffering has a way of changing us, and often for good. Here is a life verse God gave me!

"More than that, we rejoice in our afflictions, knowing that afflictions produce endurance, endurance produces character and character produces hope. And hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured out by the Holy Spirit who has been given to us." Romans 5:3-5

Hi Angela! Have no idea what "word faith" stuff means. Heck, I don't even know what "Armenianism" is, or even what they believe.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Jesus replied, "Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin."

How many sinless folk do you know? I know no one who is sinless.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Let's see..... "Choose you this day whom you will serve." Somewhere in Joshua. 24:14, I think.

or, "You are the slave of whomever you choose to serve." Romans 6:16

I guess it was a slow day, and they just needed some words to fill the parchment.

I am soooo glad you brought this verse up. I have a blog and I easily dismantled Joshua 24:14,16

Here it is...

Notice in this picture how they have two paths to choose from? This is one example of the gross misapplying of the verse to free will. Man is already on the road to destruction, and does not have to do one thing to go to hell. Man does not come to the proverbial ‘fork in the road’ and choose option A or option B.

Now onto the issue at hand…

I don’t know the times I’ve heard this verse used and abused when used in conjunction with free will. Anytime ppl hear free will, they use this verse as one of their favorites. They’ll say, “it’s a free choice,” and “and as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.” But’s lets delve deeper into this verse and see what it entails.

“But if serving the Lord seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord.”

Ppl get hung up on the choose for yourselves whom you will serve and but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. Is that what that verse is really saying? Absolutely not. So, lets lay the context out for all to see and read for themselves and see which side is right.

In verse 2, Joshua tells them how God had called Abraham out from Ur, as he and his family worshiped other gods, in other words, they were pagan idol worshippers. He then told them how God had rescued them from Egypt(another pagan nation Israel was enslaved to) and even drowned Pharaoh and his army in the Red Sea. He then mentioned how God had delivered them from Amorites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hittites, Girgashites, Hivites and Jebusites. Then we come to verse 14 where Joshua said “Now fear the Lord and serve him with all faithfulness. Throw away the gods your ancestors worshiped beyond the Euphrates River and in Egypt, and serve the Lord.” He, Joshua, instructed them to throw away the idols their ancestors worshiped(so they were also pagan idol worshipers, too). Then in verse 15 Joshua stated But if serving the Lord seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. So, Joshua is basically saying, If you think serving the Lord is not desirable for you, then choose the idols your fathers worshiped beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites. So, he is telling them to choose to serve idol A or idol B. He then said, But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

Now, they did say they would not forsake the Lord, but Joshua said they were unable to serve Him[vs 19] then they said they would and he said “You are witnesses against yourselves that you have chosen to serve the Lord.”[vs 22] and they replied “Yes, we are witnesses.”

But in reality, did they serve Him? No. As you can see that many times they fell into idolatry and killed many of God’s prophets, after this encounter with Joshua and his stern warning. “He will not forgive your rebellion and your sins. If you forsake the Lord and serve foreign gods, he will turn and bring disaster on you and make an end of you, after he has been good to you.” [vss19b,20] So, what this verse is really saying, is not that they could choose between serving God or Satan, but rather, choose from idol A, the gods their fathers served beyond the Euphrates, or idol B, the gods of the Amorites.

Not much to choose from, eh?

 

[preacher4truth]

Let's see..... "Choose you this day whom you will serve." Somewhere in Joshua. 24:14, I think.

or, "You are the slave of whomever you choose to serve." Romans 6:16

I guess it was a slow day, and they just needed some words to fill the parchment.

Or, rather, those have two differing contexts, and neither are in a context you're implying.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Or, rather, those have two differing contexts, and neither are in a context you're implying.

Plus, the context was this was addressing the OT Jews. It left out the Philistines, Jebusites, Perizzites, Hittites, Hivites, Assyrians, Egyptians, &c. They weren't given that opportunity to choose to serve God or not. They were too busy worshiping their idols.

 

[dcontroversal]

How many sinless folk do you know? I know no one who is sinless.

The only one I know of was JESUS and even he came to be sin for us...........and came in the form of sinful flesh......I love what he said...."Why do you call me good?"........There is none good, but God.

 

[preacher4truth]

Plus, the context was this was addressing the OT Jews. It left out the Philistines, Jebusites, Perizzites, Hittites, Hivites, Assyrians, Egyptians, &c. They weren't given that opportunity to choose to serve God or not. They were too busy worshiping their idols.

Jesus says no man is able to come to him. Sound immutable doctrine.

Others find a verse or two, and then; "Oh, yes you CAN, just CHOOSE!!!"

 

[preacher4truth]

Plus, the context was this was addressing the OT Jews. It left out the Philistines, Jebusites, Perizzites, Hittites, Hivites, Assyrians, Egyptians, &c. They weren't given that opportunity to choose to serve God or not. They were too busy worshiping their idols.

Didn't these same Jews already choose their way into heaven when they told Joshua they would follow him, just like they followed Moses?? Wonder what happened to that "free will" decision since they were still following false idols and were rebuked for it in Joshua 24:15??? Looks like their decisional regeneration didn't take. Or something.

 

[Willie-T]

Didn't these same Jews already choose their way into heaven when they told Joshua they would follow him, just like they followed Moses?? Wonder what happened to that "free will" decision since they were still following false idols and were rebuked for it in Joshua 24:15??? Looks like their decisional regeneration didn't take. Or something.

As we all seem to tend to do here, I think each side may be taking their distorted views WAY past what the other side is saying. I have never, ever heard ANYONE say their own decision is what causes regeneration.

Of course, I can't speak for everyone, but my view is that God is, basically, saying........ "I have decided that I do not want ANY to perish, so I am offering Salvation to every single person on the face of the Earth who will set aside their pride, and humble themselves to accept the free gift I am openly offering to the entire world."

"Yes, because I know the future, I already know which of you will refuse my offer.... but THAT, just like accepting my offer of Salvation, is a choice that I honestly HAVE given you to freely make."

"I have NOT, in any case, decreed that a certain portion of you must forever suffer in the fires of Hell, simply because you drew the short straw when you were born, and the ones who call themselves "reformed" got lucky."
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Now, of course, I don't expect many of you to accept that scene. But, it is the God I see shown to us all through the Bible.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

I am soooo glad you brought this verse up. I have a blog and I easily dismantled Joshua 24:14,16

Here it is...

Here it is...



Notice in this picture how they have two paths to choose from? This is one example of the gross misapplying of the verse to free will. Man is already on the road to destruction, and does not have to do one thing to go to hell. Man does not come to the proverbial ‘fork in the road’ and choose option A or option B.

I believe we all come to a "fork in the road" . . . . And we have to make a choice.

Now onto the issue at hand…

I don’t know the times I’ve heard this verse used and abused when used in conjunction with free will. Anytime ppl hear free will, they use this verse as one of their favorites. They’ll say, “it’s a free choice,” and “and as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.” But’s lets delve deeper into this verse and see what it entails.

“But if serving the Lord seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord.”

Ppl get hung up on the choose for yourselves whom you will serve and but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. Is that what that verse is really saying? Absolutely not. So, lets lay the context out for all to see and read for themselves and see which side is right.

In verse 2, Joshua tells them how God had called Abraham out from Ur, as he and his family worshiped other gods, in other words, they were pagan idol worshippers. He then told them how God had rescued them from Egypt(another pagan nation Israel was enslaved to) and even drowned Pharaoh and his army in the Red Sea. He then mentioned how God had delivered them from Amorites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hittites, Girgashites, Hivites and Jebusites. Then we come to verse 14 where Joshua said “Now fear the Lord and serve him with all faithfulness. Throw away the gods your ancestors worshiped beyond the Euphrates River and in Egypt, and serve the Lord.” He, Joshua, instructed them to throw away the idols their ancestors worshiped(so they were also pagan idol worshipers, too). Then in verse 15 Joshua stated But if serving the Lord seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. So, Joshua is basically saying, If you think serving the Lord is not desirable for you, then choose the idols your fathers worshiped beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites. So, he is telling them to choose to serve idol A or idol B. He then said, But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

Yep . . . one can make it seem that the choice was between serving the "gods your ancestors served" or the "gods of the Amorites" but is that REALLY the choice? The gods beyond the Euphrates and the gods of the Amorites were the same, i.e. false gods. So the question is . . Whom will you serve? The one true God or false gods . . . that is the choice. Why else did Joshua make the point: "As for me and my house we will serve the LORD."

Now, they did say they would not forsake the Lord, but Joshua said they were unable to serve Him[vs 19] then they said they would and he said “You are witnesses against yourselves that you have chosen to serve the Lord.”[vs 22] and they replied “Yes, we are witnesses.”

But in reality, did they serve Him? No. As you can see that many times they fell into idolatry and killed many of God’s prophets, after this encounter with Joshua and his stern warning. “He will not forgive your rebellion and your sins. If you forsake the Lord and serve foreign gods, he will turn and bring disaster on you and make an end of you, after he has been good to you.” [vss19b,20] So, what this verse is really saying, is not that they could choose between serving God or Satan, but rather, choose from idol A, the gods their fathers served beyond the Euphrates, or idol B, the gods of the Amorites.

Not much to choose from, eh?

In order to rebel [be in opposition; rise in opposition or armed resistance to an established government or ruler:], one has to make a choice to rebel. Nope not much to choose from - the ONE TRUE GOD or false gods (idolatry).

There is also a choice set up in Deut. 30 - God sets before us life and death. He recommends that we choose life which is to love the Lord our God [first and great commandment] . . . obey his voice, cleave unto him [If ye love me, keep my commandments] - for he is our life . . . .

But in reality, did they serve Him? . . . no one served God perfectly except our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Willie-T]

So many seem to want to get back under the law, seemingly disregarding that Jesus' coming changed the whole world.... including how God now deals with man.

Yes, it was clearly written in the law of Moses that an adulterer was to be stoned.......... And if Jesus had been a man who read a law, and "that was it", that woman would have been stoned to death right there... no discussion about it..

But He was not such a man. He was the second Adam (our second chance). He told her accusers that the rigid verses they wanted to stand forever, had been altered by His coming, and that we were going to have to REPENT (change our minds) and accept that God really meant it when He had John 3:16, 17 written. That, "Whosoever", actually meant something to God.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Jesus says no man is able to come to him. Sound immutable doctrine.

Others find a verse or two, and then; "Oh, yes you CAN, just CHOOSE!!!"

Jesus says: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes unto the Father, but by me.

by - dia - 1) through; a. of place (with, in) 2) of time; (throughout, during) 3) of means (by, by the means of); 2. through; A. the ground or reason by which something is or is not done; by reason of, on account of, because of, for this reason, therefore, on this account
We are reconciled to God by (on account of, because of) our belief in his Son . . .

 

[Willie-T]

Jesus says no man is able to come to him. Sound immutable doctrine.

Others find a verse or two, and then; "Oh, yes you CAN, just CHOOSE!!!"

Jesus said just the opposite.

 

[Willie-T]

Jesus says no man is able to come to him. Sound immutable doctrine.

Others find a verse or two, and then; "Oh, yes you CAN, just CHOOSE!!!"

I am still blown away by that remark.

Who said "Come to me" in Matthew 11:28?

 

[preacher4truth]

Jesus said just the opposite.

That's untrue but I'll play your silly game:

Of course he did, as long as you take him out of context to bow to your ideology.

Nearly your entire ideology is built on verse-ology, a.k.a. out of context Scripture.

You, as many others, simply don't like the ways of God and are set out to adjust it to make it comfy for you with a truncated false gospel. You're more comfy thinking you chose your way into heaven instead of bowing to God and submitting to his word that he is ultimately sovereign over that himself and elected based upon nothing in man.

Wonder what that makes you?

 

[preacher4truth]

I am still blown away by that remark.

Who said "Come to me" in Matthew 11:28?

Oh no, more verse-ology!!!! Exegetical and contextual truth and interpretation has been destroyed, and all can choose their way into heaven all on their own!!!!!! No matter what Jesus said even!!!

Not.

Annnnnnddddd you avoid the entire context and to whom it applies. Jesus qualifies them in the previous verses, namely Matthew 11:25-27. But don't let the truth of context stop you, carry on in your disregard.