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I agree, but How can you worship God, and reject His instructions at the same time. The Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time claimed to worship God as well. But Jesus said their worship was in vain because they taught for doctrines the Commandments of Men and not of God.
He said they "Transgressed His Fathers Commandments by their own man made Traditions, and for this He rejected them from His Kingdom.
Do you preach we are now free to create our own righteousness, and ignore the Righteousness of God as they did?
He said they "Transgressed His Fathers Commandments by their own man made Traditions, and for this He rejected them from His Kingdom.
Do you preach we are now free to create our own righteousness, and ignore the Righteousness of God as they did?
2 Cor. 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
Sundown is sundown no matter where you are. Even a child can understand this.
The Sabbath of the Bible was created by Jesus for man as it is written.
Matt.11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Jesus was quoting His servant, Jeremiah, in:
Jer. 6:16 Thus saith the LORD (Jesus), Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
Another prophesy fulfilled.
Sundown is sundown no matter where you are. Even a child can understand this.
The Sabbath of the Bible was created by Jesus for man as it is written.
Matt.11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Jesus was quoting His servant, Jeremiah, in:
Jer. 6:16 Thus saith the LORD (Jesus), Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
Another prophesy fulfilled.
You must not have followed the 'resurrection thread where all relevant scriptures were closely examined and found 'wanting in regard to a sunday resurrection.
The Sabbath/7th day was long before any names were attached to weekdays...just another of man's inventions...does not do away with what GOD says and wants...just give it time !
The Sabbath/7th day was long before any names were attached to weekdays...just another of man's inventions...does not do away with what GOD says and wants...just give it time !
I'm going off-line now, but if you want to post your references regarding Saturday worship, I think you will find the 'law' was the Levitical Law which was man-made. I think Jesus got it right when he said they were the "Commandments of Men and not of God." Perhaps you will be good enough to post where Jesus said that as well.
Originally Posted by valiant
We do not know what was the seventh day of creation. We only know what we have chosen as the seventh day on our calendars. Nor is our seventh day the seventh day as it was in Israel. When they are in midday, another place is at midnight.
you are simplistic.
you are simplistic.
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So what happens when man changes the time line?
LOL I said you were simplistic
see what I mean?
So you are saying Christ did not know the correct Sabbath day He made for man?
Luke 4:16 (KJV)
And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was,
he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
The seventh day was set apart and made holy at creation.Gen 2:2-3, Exo 20:10-11.
Christ did all the creating and He knew which day the Sabbath was...
God (Jesus Christ) revealed the seventh day to Israel for forty YEARS.
Every meal they were reminded which day the Sabbath was or not.
Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man,
and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
He passed this on to the Apostles and the church.
Why, even secular people seem to know something you don't know...
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"By calculating the eclipses, it can be proven that no time has been lost and the creation days
were seven, divided into 24 hours each."—Dr. Hinkley, The Watchman, July 1926 .
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"The human race never lost the septenary [seven day] sequence of week days and that the
Sabbath of these latter times comes down to us from Adam, though the ages, without a single lapse."
—Dr. Totten, professor of astronomy at Yale University.
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"Seven has been the ancient and honored number among the nations of the earth. They have
measured their time by weeks from the beginning. The origin of this was the Sabbath of God,
as Moses has given the reasons for it in his writings."—Dr. Lyman Coleman.
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"There has been no change in our calendar in past centuries that has affected in any way the cycle
of the week."—James Robertson, Director American Ephemeris, Navy Department, U.S. Naval
Observatory, Washington, D.C., March 12, 1932.
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"It can be said with assurance that not a day has been lost since Creation, and all the calendar
changes notwithstanding, there has been no break in the weekly cycle."—Dr. Frank Jeffries,
Fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society and Research Director of the Royal Observatory,
Greenwich, England.
There is no question about which day the seventh day of the week is.
The weekly cycle
the break between the shift from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar?
There was a well known break of 10 days.
In 1582, that Thursday the 4th was followed by Friday the 15th.
The weekly cycle was not interrupted. Now take a look at 1752, Wednesday
the 2nd was followed by Thursday the 14th. Again, the calendar had to be
adjusted to correct it to the seasons but the weekly cycle remained unchanged.
Luke 4:16 (KJV)
And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was,
he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
The seventh day was set apart and made holy at creation.Gen 2:2-3, Exo 20:10-11.
Christ did all the creating and He knew which day the Sabbath was...
God (Jesus Christ) revealed the seventh day to Israel for forty YEARS.
Every meal they were reminded which day the Sabbath was or not.
Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man,
and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
He passed this on to the Apostles and the church.
Why, even secular people seem to know something you don't know...
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"By calculating the eclipses, it can be proven that no time has been lost and the creation days
were seven, divided into 24 hours each."—Dr. Hinkley, The Watchman, July 1926 .
-
"The human race never lost the septenary [seven day] sequence of week days and that the
Sabbath of these latter times comes down to us from Adam, though the ages, without a single lapse."
—Dr. Totten, professor of astronomy at Yale University.
-
"Seven has been the ancient and honored number among the nations of the earth. They have
measured their time by weeks from the beginning. The origin of this was the Sabbath of God,
as Moses has given the reasons for it in his writings."—Dr. Lyman Coleman.
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"There has been no change in our calendar in past centuries that has affected in any way the cycle
of the week."—James Robertson, Director American Ephemeris, Navy Department, U.S. Naval
Observatory, Washington, D.C., March 12, 1932.
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"It can be said with assurance that not a day has been lost since Creation, and all the calendar
changes notwithstanding, there has been no break in the weekly cycle."—Dr. Frank Jeffries,
Fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society and Research Director of the Royal Observatory,
Greenwich, England.
There is no question about which day the seventh day of the week is.
The weekly cycle
the break between the shift from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar?
There was a well known break of 10 days.
In 1582, that Thursday the 4th was followed by Friday the 15th.
The weekly cycle was not interrupted. Now take a look at 1752, Wednesday
the 2nd was followed by Thursday the 14th. Again, the calendar had to be
adjusted to correct it to the seasons but the weekly cycle remained unchanged.
We dont know so give up?
What about He who seeks finds? What about My people are destroye for alack of knowledge? nope just give up....
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 7:7-12, “Ask and it shall be given to you, seek and you shall find, knock and it shall be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it shall be opened. Or is there a man among you who, if his son asks for bread, shall give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, shall he give him a snake? If you then, being wicked, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall your Father who is in the heavens give what is good to those who ask Him! Therefore, whatever you wish men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Torah and the Prophets.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hosheyah 4:6, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you will be no priest to Me. Because you have forgotten the Law of YHWH, I will also forget your children."
If He is the Almighty is He not able to leave us a way to find truth?
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Philippians 4:13, "I have strength to do all, through Messiah who empowers me.”
Seems people use this verse but think I can doo all... except find His truth or anything He requires, but all things!
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][/FONT]He who has ears let him hear, Yah leaves truth and a way to find Him.
What about He who seeks finds? What about My people are destroye for alack of knowledge? nope just give up....
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 7:7-12, “Ask and it shall be given to you, seek and you shall find, knock and it shall be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it shall be opened. Or is there a man among you who, if his son asks for bread, shall give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, shall he give him a snake? If you then, being wicked, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall your Father who is in the heavens give what is good to those who ask Him! Therefore, whatever you wish men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Torah and the Prophets.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hosheyah 4:6, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you will be no priest to Me. Because you have forgotten the Law of YHWH, I will also forget your children."
If He is the Almighty is He not able to leave us a way to find truth?
[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif] [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Philippians 4:13, "I have strength to do all, through Messiah who empowers me.”
Seems people use this verse but think I can doo all... except find His truth or anything He requires, but all things!
[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][/FONT]He who has ears let him hear, Yah leaves truth and a way to find Him.
Paul warns against being slaves to days, months and seasons.
But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more? You observe days and months and seasons and years! (Gal 4:9-10 ESV)
I have made my case. I celebrate Christ's resurrection on the same day as the early Christian Church. Considering it was God's doing, I feel that to ignore such a momentous act as promised in the O.T. is to give God a proverbial slap across the face. I feel such an attitude as you describe is an insult to God.
Lights out for me.
But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more? You observe days and months and seasons and years! (Gal 4:9-10 ESV)
I have made my case. I celebrate Christ's resurrection on the same day as the early Christian Church. Considering it was God's doing, I feel that to ignore such a momentous act as promised in the O.T. is to give God a proverbial slap across the face. I feel such an attitude as you describe is an insult to God.
Lights out for me.
Yet Paul kept YHWH's Sabbath's and Feast days post Messiah's Sacrifice;
Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy--so I worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."
Paul Kept Sabbath and Feasts;
Acts 18:21, “But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this Feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if Yah will. And he sailed from Ephesus.”
Acts 27:9, “Much time had been lost, and sailing had already become dangerous because by now it was after the Day of Atonement. So Paul warned them.”
“Day of Atonement” is word #G3521 in Strong's Concordance – nésteia, nésteia: fasting, a fast, Original Word: νηστεία, ας, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: nésteia, Phonetic Spelling: (nace-ti'-ah), Short Definition: fasting, the day of atonement, Definition: fasting, the day of atonement.
Acts 20:16, “Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus to avoid spending time in the province of Asia, for he was in a hurry to reach Jerusalem, if possible, by the day of Pentecost.”
Colossians 2 is commonly used as a witness against Yah’s Sabbaths, however, Yah’s Sabbath are 100% bout the Messiah and have origins from Yah, not the world or paganism...
Colossians 2:20, “If, then, you died with Messiah from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to it’s ordinances.”
Colossians 2:8, “See to it that no one makes a prey of you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary matters of the world, and not according to Messiah.”
The 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day Sabbath and all 7 Feast days of YHWH are about the works of Yahshua Messiah, prophetically shown by the mouth of YHWH. The first three are displayed in the spring Feasts, where Messiah came as the suffering Lamb. The last four are about His return as a conquering Lion. Starting with Feast of Trumpets, marking the return of Yahshua Messiah, the day that no man knows the day or hour… the Feast of Trumpets can not be predicted because it is the only Feast that occurs on the sighting of the new moon, something NASA can not predict with 100% accuracy. So these are times only the Creator of the heavens and Earth has control over. These Feasts are called “moadim” in Hebrew, and have a very interesting definition; “appointed time, place, or meeting” These days (appointed times) are celebratory Holy Days/Holidays inspired by the Creator of the heavens and earth. An appointed time set by the Creator of the heavens and Earth…
Psalm 104:19, "You appointed the moon for setting the appointed times*. The sun knows its going down."
“appointed times” is word #H4150 - Original Word: מוֹעֵד, Part of Speech: Noun Masculine, Transliteration: moed, Phonetic Spelling: (mo-ade'), Short Definition: meeting, Word Origin from yaad, Definition - appointed time, place, or meeting
1 Thessalonians 5:1, "But concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need that I should write to you."
The Appointed Times of YHWH:
There are 2 "it is done" statements...
Fulfilled already - Work as the Suffering Lamb “It is done!”
John 19:30, “So when יהושע took the sour wine He said, “It is done!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.”
Fulfilled already- To be fulfilled in the future
1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's Sacrifice (Passover), burial and resurrection (First Fruits – presenting Himself to YHWH)
2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's perfect work as the Passover Sacrifice
3. Feast of Weeks – The blessing Holy Spirit of YHWH, coming into our lives stronger than ever
4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever
To be fulfilled in the future – Work as the Conquering Lion “It is done!”
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done! I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End. To the one who thirsts I shall give of the fountain of the water of life without payment. The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Strength and he shall be My son. But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”
2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also our beloved brother Paul/Sha’ul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him, as also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these matters, in which some are hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the other Scriptures. You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the delusion of the lawless, but grow in the favor and knowledge of our Master and Savior יהושע Messiah. To Him be the esteem both now and to a day that abides. Amĕn.”
Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy--so I worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."
Paul Kept Sabbath and Feasts;
Acts 18:21, “But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this Feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if Yah will. And he sailed from Ephesus.”
Acts 27:9, “Much time had been lost, and sailing had already become dangerous because by now it was after the Day of Atonement. So Paul warned them.”
“Day of Atonement” is word #G3521 in Strong's Concordance – nésteia, nésteia: fasting, a fast, Original Word: νηστεία, ας, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: nésteia, Phonetic Spelling: (nace-ti'-ah), Short Definition: fasting, the day of atonement, Definition: fasting, the day of atonement.
Acts 20:16, “Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus to avoid spending time in the province of Asia, for he was in a hurry to reach Jerusalem, if possible, by the day of Pentecost.”
Colossians 2 is commonly used as a witness against Yah’s Sabbaths, however, Yah’s Sabbath are 100% bout the Messiah and have origins from Yah, not the world or paganism...
Colossians 2:20, “If, then, you died with Messiah from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to it’s ordinances.”
Colossians 2:8, “See to it that no one makes a prey of you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary matters of the world, and not according to Messiah.”
The 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day Sabbath and all 7 Feast days of YHWH are about the works of Yahshua Messiah, prophetically shown by the mouth of YHWH. The first three are displayed in the spring Feasts, where Messiah came as the suffering Lamb. The last four are about His return as a conquering Lion. Starting with Feast of Trumpets, marking the return of Yahshua Messiah, the day that no man knows the day or hour… the Feast of Trumpets can not be predicted because it is the only Feast that occurs on the sighting of the new moon, something NASA can not predict with 100% accuracy. So these are times only the Creator of the heavens and Earth has control over. These Feasts are called “moadim” in Hebrew, and have a very interesting definition; “appointed time, place, or meeting” These days (appointed times) are celebratory Holy Days/Holidays inspired by the Creator of the heavens and earth. An appointed time set by the Creator of the heavens and Earth…
Psalm 104:19, "You appointed the moon for setting the appointed times*. The sun knows its going down."
“appointed times” is word #H4150 - Original Word: מוֹעֵד, Part of Speech: Noun Masculine, Transliteration: moed, Phonetic Spelling: (mo-ade'), Short Definition: meeting, Word Origin from yaad, Definition - appointed time, place, or meeting
1 Thessalonians 5:1, "But concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need that I should write to you."
The Appointed Times of YHWH:
There are 2 "it is done" statements...
Fulfilled already - Work as the Suffering Lamb “It is done!”
John 19:30, “So when יהושע took the sour wine He said, “It is done!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.”
Fulfilled already- To be fulfilled in the future
1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's Sacrifice (Passover), burial and resurrection (First Fruits – presenting Himself to YHWH)
2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's perfect work as the Passover Sacrifice
3. Feast of Weeks – The blessing Holy Spirit of YHWH, coming into our lives stronger than ever
4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever
To be fulfilled in the future – Work as the Conquering Lion “It is done!”
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done! I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End. To the one who thirsts I shall give of the fountain of the water of life without payment. The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Strength and he shall be My son. But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”
2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also our beloved brother Paul/Sha’ul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him, as also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these matters, in which some are hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the other Scriptures. You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the delusion of the lawless, but grow in the favor and knowledge of our Master and Savior יהושע Messiah. To Him be the esteem both now and to a day that abides. Amĕn.”