Is the great biblical flood real or not?
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O yes indeed my friend it is just a puddle, to the center of the earth is roughly 3,958 miles just to the center of the earth, half way through the earth, now the deepest part of the ocean and that is in a tench is a mere 7 miles.
as I posted before here it is again the ratio of the amount of water on the earth to the size of our earth and as well the amount of water on a moon called Europeia, the water on Europeia is just tad bit more then the amount on earth, though earth is much bigger than Europeia.
as I posted before here it is again the ratio of the amount of water on the earth to the size of our earth and as well the amount of water on a moon called Europeia, the water on Europeia is just tad bit more then the amount on earth, though earth is much bigger than Europeia.
Boy Howdy...you sure are good.. How many millions of miles away is this Eruopeia.....How did you say you measured the water there..... Do you know what color it is or what it is made of.....?????/// Just inquisitive thats all
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What does the Bible actually say about the Genesis Flood? In Genesis 1:6-9 we read,
Gen. 1:6. And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Gen. 1:7. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Gen. 1:8. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Gen. 1:9. And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. (KJV)
In verse 6, we read that God created a firmament that divided the waters that were under the firmament from the waters that were above the firmament—but what was the firmament? Merriam Webster’s online dictionary (which in print is Merriam Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary—Eleventh Edition) give us the following definition:
: the vault or arch of the sky :heavens
The Oxford University dictionaries, of which there are several, concur. The English word ‘firmament’ is a translation of the Hebrew word, רָקִיעַ. In the Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature, we find an excellent article (Vol. III, pp. 568-569 [two lengthy columns of fine print per page] on the word רָקִיעַ. Of special importance is the following from the article,
The verb רָקַע, raká, means to expand by beating, whether by the hand, the foot, or any instrument. It is especially used, however, of beating out metals into thin plates (Exod. xxxix, 3, Numb. xvi, 39), and hence the substantive רַקֻּעַים “broad plates” of metal (Numb. 16:38). (The italics are theirs).
Furthermore, the Hebrew and English Lexicon of the Old Testament by Brown, Driver, and Briggs published by Oxford University gives us the following meaning of word רָקִיעַ in Gen. 1:7, “the vault of heaven, or ‘firmament,’ regarded by Hebrews as solid, and supporting ‘waters’ above it.” (p. 956). Moreover, John Skinner, the late Principal and Professor of Old Testament Language and Literature at Westminster College, Cambridge, in his commentary on the Hebrew text of Genesis, writes,
6-8 Second Work: The Firmament.—The second fiat calls into existence a firmament, whose function is to divide the primeval waters into an upper and lower ocean, leaving a space between as the theater of further creative developments. The “firmament” is the dome of heaven, which to the ancients was no optical illusion, but a material structure, sometimes compared to an “upper chamber” (Ps. 104:12, Am 9:6) supported by “pillars” (Jb 26:11), and resembling in its surface a “molten mirror” (Jb 37:18). Above this are the heavenly waters, from which the rain descends through “windows” or “doors” (Gn 7:11, 8:2, 2 Ki 7:2, 19) opened and shut by God at His pleasure (Ps 78:23).
For further and much more extensive proof that this word רָקִיעַ is correctly translated as “dome” rather than “expanse” as some people incorrectly claim, please see this article :
https://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/te...s/text/articles-books/seely-firmament-wtj.htm
The KJV and many other translations use the word firmament which comes from the Latin word firmamentum. Firmamentum is the Latin word for ‘support’! And indeed, that support, the dome, would have to be immensely strong to hold up the weight of the water above it—enough water to cover even Mount Everest! (Just one gallon of water weighs approximately 8.35 lb (about 3.785 kg).
Some may ask, why do not our English translations of the Bible translate the word רָקִיעַ as dome? The answer to that question is simple—the translation ‘dome’ throws a monkey wrench into the traditional interpretation of Genesis 1-11, and readers of the Bible more often than not prefer the traditional interpretation of Genesis 1-11 over a precisely accurate interpretation. However, the translators of the New Revised Standard Version sought to appeal to readers who care much more about biblical accuracy than they do about tradition, and hence they correctly translate the word רָקִיעַ as ‘dome’. The New American Bible also translates the word רָקִיעַ as ‘dome’.
If the ‘windows’ (NRSV) or ‘floodgates’ (KJV) in the dome through which “The rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights” (Gen 7:12) were real—it necessarily follows that the dome was also real. [In Gen. 1:8, God called the dome ‘heaven’ (Heb. שָׁמַיִם), and, therefore, the windows of heaven (Heb. שָׁמַיִם) in Gen. 7:11 were windows in the dome]. Believing in the flood while denying the reality of the windows in the dome, as some do, is disbelieving the historicity of Genesis 1-11. Either both are historical—or neither are historical, and the earth was not, in 2349 B.C., a flat disk or square plate covered with a dome with floodgates in it! God is not a liar, and He never said that Genesis 1-11 is an accurate account of historical events. Indeed, Genesis 1-11 is a collection of divinely inspired stories written and woven together to teach us basic truths about ourselves and our Creator. Genesis 6-8 is one of these stories, and how sad it is that some Christians use it to castigate men and women who have devoted their lives to the study of God’s word on an academic rather than elementary level.
Looks like you have swallowed the nonsense of the Higher Critics and their notions about the Old Testament and Genesis 1-11. There is no such thing as "divinely inspired stories". You might as well have said "divinely inspired fairy tales". The entire book of Genesis is a plain, literal, historical, and accurate account of everything which transpired after creation, since only God Himself would know all of this, and Moses simply wrote down the words exactly as given by God.
The Genesis Flood was a genuine worldwide flood, which was God's judgment upon the corrupted human race at that time. If you cannot believe that, then there is no point believing anything else in the Bible. As far as the Higher Critics are concerned, the OT is merely a collection of myths, legends, fables, and fairy tales, and they would rather give more credence to the Babylonian fairy tales.
The Genesis Flood was a genuine worldwide flood, which was God's judgment upon the corrupted human race at that time. If you cannot believe that, then there is no point believing anything else in the Bible. As far as the Higher Critics are concerned, the OT is merely a collection of myths, legends, fables, and fairy tales, and they would rather give more credence to the Babylonian fairy tales.
Because some who claim to be Christians believe that they are smarter and wiser than God Himself. All of the so-called "scholars" and "critics" (both Higher and Lower) who attack the Bible are in that category. But in fact they are emissaries of the Devil, since his primary mode of attack is to deceive people into disbelieving the Bible.
I can ask: Why cant folks just think when reading the Bible. Its not written in the 21st century terms.
You read "world" and the first what you get into your mind is an idea of a planet as you saw it on some photos from space, because you live in the 21st century.
You need to think the same way the authors did, instead. They had no idea of a planet, their culture was different, their vocabulary was different.
Its not about not believing, its about understanding.
You read "world" and the first what you get into your mind is an idea of a planet as you saw it on some photos from space, because you live in the 21st century.
You need to think the same way the authors did, instead. They had no idea of a planet, their culture was different, their vocabulary was different.
Its not about not believing, its about understanding.
How is believing what the Bible reveals equivalent to putting 21st century ideas into Genesis? Here is what we read:
FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH -- And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
THE WHOLE EARTH CORRUPTED -- And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
ALL FLESH AND THE WHOLE EARTH TO BE DESTROYED -- And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
EVERYTHING IN THE EARTH -- UNDER HEAVEN -- TO DIE -- And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
EVERY LIVING SUBSTANCE TO BE DESTROYED OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH -- For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
ALL MOUNTAINS UNDER HEAVEN COVERED WITH WATER -- And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
EVERY LIVING CREATURE DIED -- And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
EVERY LIVING SUBSTANCE DESTROYED FROM THE EARTH -- And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH -- And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
THE WHOLE EARTH CORRUPTED -- And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
ALL FLESH AND THE WHOLE EARTH TO BE DESTROYED -- And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
EVERYTHING IN THE EARTH -- UNDER HEAVEN -- TO DIE -- And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
EVERY LIVING SUBSTANCE TO BE DESTROYED OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH -- For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
ALL MOUNTAINS UNDER HEAVEN COVERED WITH WATER -- And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
EVERY LIVING CREATURE DIED -- And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
EVERY LIVING SUBSTANCE DESTROYED FROM THE EARTH -- And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
Higher Criticism of the Bible is composed of the following disciplines:
Source criticism (including textual criticism)
Form criticism (including the analysis of the genre of the literature)
Redaction criticism
There is absolutely nothing in my post based upon Higher Criticism of the Bible. Indeed, my entire post is based upon the very finest conservative, evangelical scholarship of Genesis 1-11. The article for which I posted a link is an article published in The Westminster Theological Journal, which is published by Westminster Theological Seminary, one of the most theologically conservative seminaries in the United States!
Moreover, your comments about “higher Critics” is maliciously and libelously false, and that is especially true of those in the United Kingdom. Both S. R. Driver and John Skinner, whom I referenced in my post, devoted their lives to the study of the Scriptures with the purpose in mind of promoting faith in God and His word rather than challenging it.
What evidence do you have that S. R. Driver and John Skinner were incorrect about the meaning of the Hebrew word רָקִיעַ? Do you believe that the words in the Bible, “the windows of heaven were opened” is a “plain, literal [rather than figurative], historical, and accurate account” of an actual event? If so, what action is the Hebrew verb פָּתַח translated as ‘opened’ in Gen. 7:11 literally describing?
Source criticism (including textual criticism)
Form criticism (including the analysis of the genre of the literature)
Redaction criticism
There is absolutely nothing in my post based upon Higher Criticism of the Bible. Indeed, my entire post is based upon the very finest conservative, evangelical scholarship of Genesis 1-11. The article for which I posted a link is an article published in The Westminster Theological Journal, which is published by Westminster Theological Seminary, one of the most theologically conservative seminaries in the United States!
Moreover, your comments about “higher Critics” is maliciously and libelously false, and that is especially true of those in the United Kingdom. Both S. R. Driver and John Skinner, whom I referenced in my post, devoted their lives to the study of the Scriptures with the purpose in mind of promoting faith in God and His word rather than challenging it.
What evidence do you have that S. R. Driver and John Skinner were incorrect about the meaning of the Hebrew word רָקִיעַ? Do you believe that the words in the Bible, “the windows of heaven were opened” is a “plain, literal [rather than figurative], historical, and accurate account” of an actual event? If so, what action is the Hebrew verb פָּתַח translated as ‘opened’ in Gen. 7:11 literally describing?