GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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COLOSSIANS 2:14-17 PART 2/2 THE REAL TRUTH

COL. 2:14 and EPH 2. 15
What is the meaning of the handwriting of “ORDINANCES” that was blotted out and nailed to the cross?

GREEK meaning; blotting out (G1813; ἐξαλείφω; exaleiphō; ex-al-i'-fo; means to obliterate; erase; wipe away) the handwriting of ordinances which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way nailing it to the cross. The Greek words used here is handwriting G5498 χειρόγραφον; cheirographon; which means; hand written legal document which is combined with ordinance G1378 δόγμα dogma dog'-mah From the base of G1380; which means; civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical law: - decree; The Greek meaning of handwriting of ordinances in V14 is a hand written legal document or book of civil, ceremonial and ecclesiastical laws. These are the laws referred to in verse 14 that have been erased and are nailed to the cross.

The handwriting of ORDINANCES {Mosaic laws for meat and drink offerings and annual festivals that have their fulfilment in Jesus} has been blotted out. They were the shadows. They were all prophetic in nature, teaching the plan of salvation which pointing to Jesus as the true lamb of God and our great high priest and His Work on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary. (Leviticus 1; 3-12; 14-17; 22-23; Number 6-8; 15; 28-29; Deut 12; 33; Ex 25:8; John 1:29; 36; Rev 5:6; 1Cor 5:6-7; Heb 8:2-13; 9:1-28)

HEBREWS 9 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.... [9] WHICH WAS A FIGURE for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

The first covenant had ORDINANCES which stood ONLY in meat and drink offerings which were a figure. A shadow

EZEKIEL 46 [14] And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a MEAT OFFERING continually by a perpetual ORDINANCE unto the LORD.

Meat offering by ordinance. There ya go. Hebrews 9 was ofcourse correct

HEBREWS 10 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.[3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.

Hebrews 10 says it all. The shadow of the law was the offerings (the meat and drink offerings). Hebrews 10{1} says that plain and clear. The Word does not say the Sabbath was the shadow of Christ which really makes no sense at all

NUMBERS 19 [2] This is the ORDINANCE OF THE LAW which the Lord hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke:

Before Christ the red heifers lived their lives in fear and trembling, thinking they might be next offering. No worries no more.

JOHN 6 [55] For my flesh is MEAT indeed, and my blood is DRINK indeed.

We are no longer under the law concerning the meat and drink offerings {the shadow}. Jesus FULFILLED that portion of the law. Its all grace now! Jesus Himself said “For my flesh is MEAT indeed, and my blood is DRINK indeed”.

COL. 2 [16] Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an HOLYDAY, or of the NEW MOON, or of the SABBATH DAYS:

Col.2 {16} is used by all Sunday morning denominations so as to rid themselves of Gods Sabbath day. It’s also used to go against Gods laws concerning eating unclean things such as the portly porker. Can their doctrines be found in the scriptures by looking at the followers of the RISEN Christ?

ACTS 17 [2] AND PAUL, AS HIS MANNER WAS, went in unto them, and three SABBATH DAYS reasoned with them out of the scriptures,[3] Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

Paul as his manner was... still keeping the Sabbath…………………..

ACTS 10 [11] And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: [12] Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. [13] And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. [14] BUT PETER SAID, NOT SO, LORD; FOR I HAVE NEVER EATEN ANY THING THAT IS COMMON OR UNCLEAN.

Peter refused to eat the unclean thing even after the risen Christ………………..

ACTS 10 [28] And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but GOD HATH SHEWED ME THAT I SHOULD NOT CALL ANY MAN COMMON OR UNCLEAN.

Verse 28 explains the great sheet. No man is now unclean…………………………….

JOEL 1 [13] Gird yourselves, and lament, YE PRIESTS: howl, YE MINISTERS of the altar: come, lie all night in sackcloth, ye ministers of my God: for THE MEAT OFFERING AND THE DRINK OFFERING IS WITHHOLDEN FROM THE HOUSE OF YOUR GOD. [14] Sanctify ye a fast, call a solemn assembly, gather the elders and all the inhabitants of the land into the house of the Lord your God, and cry unto the Lord, [15] Alas for the day! for the day of the Lord is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.

Doesn’t look good for some, come the Day of the Lord.

NUMBERS 18 [8] And the LORD spake unto Aaron, Behold, I also have given thee the charge of mine heave offerings of all the hallowed things of the children of Israel; unto thee have I given them by reason of the anointing, and to thy sons, BY AN ORDINANCE for ever.[9] This shall be thine of the most holy things, reserved from the fire: EVERY OBLATION of theirs, EVERY MEAT OFFERING of theirs, and EVERY SIN OFFERING of theirs, and every trespass offering of theirs, which they shall render unto me, shall be most holy for thee and for thy sons.

Above scripture confirms that the offerings are also called oblations

ISAIAH 1 [10] Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.[11] To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I AM FULL OF THE BURNT OFFERINGS of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.[12] When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?[13] BRING NO MORE VAIN OBLATIONS; incense is an abomination unto me; THE NEW MOONS AND SABBATHS, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.[14] Your new moons and your APPOINTED FEASTS my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

Bring no more vain oblations in the new moons and the monthly and annual ceremonial Sabbath feast days. WHY? Because Jesus nailed these offerings (oblations) to the cross. The 10 commandments (Exodus 20:1-17) were never nailed to the cross only our sins were through Jesus and the ceremonial laws of Moses that were used for the forgiveness of sins along with the feast days that pointed to the life, death, resurrection and ministration of Jesus as the lamb of God and our great High Priest in the Heavenly Sanctuary.

HEBREWS 10 [7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. [8] Above when he said, SACRIFICE AND OFFERING AND BURNT OFFERINGS AND OFFERING FOR SIN THOU WOULDEST NOT, NEITHER HADST PLEASURE THEREIN; WHICH ARE OFFERED BY THE LAW; [9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. HE TAKETH AWAY THE FIRST, WHICH HE MAY ESTABLISH THE SECOND. [10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. [11] And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: [12] But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Hebrews 10 explains exactly what Isaiah 1 was speaking about. He takes away the 1st covenant {the meat and drink offerings} and established the 2nd covenant {the body of Christ}

The new covenant is all about the blood of Christ. Not changing the law....but fulfilling the law

ZECH.9 [9] Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, THY KING COMETH UNTO THEE: HE IS JUST, AND HAVING SALVATION; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.[10] And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from river even to the ends of the earth.[11] As for thee also, BY THE BLOOD OF THY COVENANT I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water

Verse 9 definitely prophecies of the coming Jesus. Verse 11, Jesus is called the blood of thy covenant

HEBREWS 12 [23] To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,[24] And to Jesus THE MEDIATOR OF THE NEW COVENANT, AND TO THE BLOOD of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

New covenant...blood

LUKE 22 [19] And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. [20] Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, THIS CUP IS THE NEW TESTAMENT IN MY BLOOD, which is shed for you.

New testament...blood

HEBRE WS 9 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. [9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Old covenant...blood of goats.....The meat and drink offerings. There is that word “ordinance” (dogma) being used again which means; civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical Mosaic laws: that were written in the book (Ephesians 2:15 and Colossians 2:14)

HEBREWS [4] FOR IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:[6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.[7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.[8] Above when he said, sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;[9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. HE TAKETH AWAY THE FIRST THAT HE MAY ESTABLISH THE SECOND.

He taketh away the first {covenant}, that he may establish the second.

JOHN 6 [53] [54] Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. [55] For MY FLESH IS MEAT INDEED, and MY BLOOD IS DRINK INDEED.

And there’s the 2[SUP]nd[/SUP]……………….

MATTHEW 5 [17] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. [18] For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Jesus did not come to change or destroy the God's Law (10 commandments). The Sabbath is still to be kept. He came to fulfill what was written of Him in the books of the law.
Nothing in Scripture says that Jesus rose on Saturday.

Jesus rose on Sunday, the first day of the week. Not Saturday. That is why Sunday is the primary day of worship. The Resurrection is not a tradition of men. Sabbatarian cults started in the 19th century and their errors are spilling even to "Christian Chat". It amazes me to see so many Christians fall for the heresies of Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovahs' Witnesses, Christadelphians, and legions of Judaizing cults that are less then 200 years old. No roots. You are no one to talk about "traditions of men" when your whole system is man made traditions that has no connection whatsoever to the 1st century church, not even connected to the reformation... If I am wrong about your origins then tell me the name of your founder.
 
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Nothing in Scripture says that Jesus rose on Saturday.

Jesus rose on Sunday, the first day of the week. Not Saturday. That is why Sunday is the primary day of worship. The Resurrection is not a tradition of men. Sabbatarian cults started in the 19th century and their errors are spilling even to "Christian Chat". It amazes me to see so many Christians fall for the heresies of Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovahs' Witnesses, Christadelphians, and legions of Judaizing cults that are less then 200 years old. No roots. You are no one to talk about "traditions of men" when your whole system is man made traditions that has no connection whatsoever to the 1st century church, not even connected to the reformation... If I am wrong about your origins then tell me the name of your founder.
Hi epostle, nice to meet you.

Jesus did indeed rise again in Sunday. The problem is that there is no scripture in God's Word that says that God's 4th commandment the 7th day Sabbath has been Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
 

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Nothing in Scripture says that Jesus rose on Saturday.

Jesus rose on Sunday, the first day of the week. Not Saturday. That is why Sunday is the primary day of worship. The Resurrection is not a tradition of men. Sabbatarian cults started in the 19th century and their errors are spilling even to "Christian Chat". It amazes me to see so many Christians fall for the heresies of Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovahs' Witnesses, Christadelphians, and legions of Judaizing cults that are less then 200 years old. No roots. You are no one to talk about "traditions of men" when your whole system is man made traditions that has no connection whatsoever to the 1st century church, not even connected to the reformation... If I am wrong about your origins then tell me the name of your founder.
You never heard of the ONE who lays the only sure foundation ? no wonder you are given to arguments and disagreement....study to show yourself approved...biblical advice !
 

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Hi epostle, nice to meet you.

Jesus did indeed rise again in Sunday. The problem is that there is no scripture in God's Word that says that God's 4th commandment the 7th day Sabbath has been Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
There is no commandment to keep Sabbath in the New Covenant.

So nobody can break it.
 
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There is no commandment to keep Sabbath in the New Covenant.
So nobody can break it.
Good luck saying that to God on the day of Judgment when there is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to Keep Sunday as a Holy day and SIN is breaking God's Commandments (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Hebrews 10:26-27). Yep known unrepentant sin will keep you out of God's Kingdom.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
 
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Good luck saying that to God on the day of Judgment when there is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED

​"It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell."

(Acts 15:28-29)

You do not trust the Holy Spirit?
 
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​"It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell."

(Acts 15:28-29)

You do not trust the Holy Spirit?
Nope that does not say that God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

God only gives the Holy Spirit to those who obey him (Acts 5:32)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
 

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Nope that does not say that God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

God only gives the Holy Spirit to those who obey him (Acts 5:32)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
I think its a basic logic problem.

If we are not required to do anything beyond 4 things from the Law, it automatically says Sabbath is not required, because it is not listed in the 4 things.
 
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I think its a basic logic problem.

If we are not required to do anything beyond 4 things from the Law, it automatically says Sabbath is not required, because it is not listed in the 4 things.
Yes it is a logic problem according to your reasoning above it is ok to break God's commandments because none of them are mentioned in Acts 15. Yet there is over 1300 scriptures that disagree with that interpretation of scripture. Sin is the transgression of God's Law and the wages of sin is death (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Hebrews 10:26-27; Romans 6:23)

What you did not read however in Acts 15 is that the chapter is talking about circumcision and the laws of Moses for salvation which were types pointing to Jesus. If you read the OP you would know this.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
 

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There is no commandment to keep Sabbath in the New Covenant.

So nobody can break it.
The NT is about doing the Will of God 'in LOVE...not by command as in the OT.
still think you can't break it when it shows God you don't love Him ? 1Joh 2v4; 5v3; NT !
 

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Yes it is a logic problem according to your reasoning above it is ok to break God's commandments because none of them are mentioned in Acts 15. Yet there is over 1300 scriptures that disagree with that interpretation of scripture. Sin is the transgression of God's Law and the wages of sin is death (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Hebrews 10:26-27; Romans 6:23)

What you did not read however in Acts 15 is that the chapter is talking about circumcision and the laws of Moses for salvation which were types pointing to Jesus. If you read the OP you would know this.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
Commandments of God are the actual one, not the ones given to Adam, to Noah, to Abraham or to Moses.

But the ones given to us. Sabbath is not between them.
 
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The NT is about doing the Will of God 'in LOVE...not by command as in the OT.
still think you can't break it when it shows God you don't love Him ? 1Joh 2v4; 5v3; NT !
Absolutely Sister Beta,

It is only through love that we can follow him who loves all because love is the fulfilling of God's Law in us who walk by faith in His Spirit because we see him who loves us and see that it is though his stripes that we are healed and that His death should have been ours. By beholding we become changed and by faith he gives us his power to walk on water. We love him who first loved us because we see his love and it is by love that we keep His commandments.

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word....
 
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Yes it is a logic problem according to your reasoning above it is ok to break God's commandments because none of them are mentioned in Acts 15. Yet there is over 1300 scriptures that disagree with that interpretation of scripture. Sin is the transgression of God's Law and the wages of sin is death (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Hebrews 10:26-27; Romans 6:23)

What you did not read however in Acts 15 is that the chapter is talking about circumcision and the laws of Moses for salvation which were types pointing to Jesus. If you read the OP you would know this.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

I agree whom ever ever thought they could change GOD’s Commandment to suit their sun worshipping was obviously not born of the Holy Spirit...

It would be no different to changing any other Commandment.. yet with progression of time the debate of worship and what day .... it is every day we worship GOD in Spirit and Truth as the Messiah said it would be but the Messiah also taught us how to keep the Sabbath.. love just as all the Commandments are of Love.. First GOD and second each other...

I think the mark of the beast is going to be something one will have to receive willingly while denouncing their beliefs and pledging and allegiance to the beast and the system.. but for Christians that have come to the knowledge of the evil rebellions attempt to exalt and deceive.. including the Sabbath day being changed to Sunday by the catholic religions own admission of authority then the conscience must act in line with GOD above all else.. some do not know the depths and many genuinely believe the Sabbath is fulfilled through Christ being their Sabbath.. or Sunday is the day of rest.. some are of a different belief and do try to warn..

LGF.. you do try so patiently GOD be praised.
 
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I agree whom ever ever thought they could change GOD’s Commandment to suit their sun worshipping was obviously not born of the Holy Spirit...

It would be no different to changing any other Commandment.. yet with progression of time the debate of worship and what day .... it is every day we worship GOD in Spirit and Truth as the Messiah said it would be but the Messiah also taught us how to keep the Sabbath.. love just as all the Commandments are of Love.. First GOD and second each other...

I think the mark of the beast is going to be something one will have to receive willingly while denouncing their beliefs and pledging and allegiance to the beast and the system.. but for Christians that have come to the knowledge of the evil rebellions attempt to exalt and deceive.. including the Sabbath day being changed to Sunday by the catholic religions own admission of authority then the conscience must act in line with GOD above all else.. some do not know the depths and many genuinely believe the Sabbath is fulfilled through Christ being their Sabbath.. or Sunday is the day of rest.. some are of a different belief and do try to warn..

LGF.. you do try so patiently GOD be praised.
God bless you sister LM1, It is our duty of love to our God and fellow man. Imagine if our God was not patient towards us. I am seeing who am; the chiefest of them all that know him not. Giving up we can solely depend on His Word so we can rise and take up our bed to follow him. I see him now through His Word and he bids me come. I come because I see him who leads my blind eyes. Although I see him dimly. My hope is in him who loves me and gave himself for me. Who am I that he should call me or we that he should call us. What an honor is ours if he should bid us come and follow him who loves all. Yet I know I am not alone and God has His 7000.

To him who loves us and washed us in His own blood so that we may rise from the dead and walk with him in Love because he first loved us to show us the way.....

God bless you Sis LM1 may God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
 
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The NT is about doing the Will of God 'in LOVE...not by command as in the OT.
still think you can't break it when it shows God you don't love Him ? 1Joh 2v4; 5v3; NT !
The will of God for us is revealed in the New Covenant. You are still trying to live under the Jewish covenant.
 
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The will of God for us is revealed in the New Covenant. You are still trying to live under the Jewish covenant.
Really friend? Let's talk New Covenant now then; Please enlighten us what is the New Covenant mean to you? If you read the OP you would not be saying such things.
 
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Yes it is a logic problem according to your reasoning above it is ok to break God's commandments because none of them are mentioned in Acts 15. Yet there is over 1300 scriptures that disagree with that interpretation of scripture. Sin is the transgression of God's Law and the wages of sin is death (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Hebrews 10:26-27; Romans 6:23)

What you did not read however in Acts 15 is that the chapter is talking about circumcision and the laws of Moses for salvation which were types pointing to Jesus. If you read the OP you would know this.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
their are 31,102 verses in the Bible. one cannot just pluck out 1300 and ignore the rest.

the Books of the Cannon were not divided into chapters until the mid 1300's. then verses came in the 1600's. so, when you mention " who should we believe , God or men? ", well men did the chapters and verses hundreds of years after the Cannon was assembled. by men.
 

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Really friend? Let's talk New Covenant now then; Please enlighten us what is the New Covenant mean to you? If you read the OP you would not be saying such things.
Have you ever thought that the OP can be wrong?

New Covenant was prophecised in the OT, established by Christ, fulfilled by His death and resurrection and explained/brought to light by His apostles, mainly by Paul.
 

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New Covenant was prophecised in the OT, established by Christ, fulfilled by His death
and resurrection and explained/brought to light by His apostles, mainly by Paul.
The second coming is in actuality a continuation of the first.

Luk 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias.
And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me
to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted,
to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down.
And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

He stop reading just there, closed the book, and sat down?

Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me
to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

Isa 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD,

And here is where He stopped reading in mid sentence.
Now the passage He quoted continues...

and [the day of vengeance] of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

Isa 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty
for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness;
that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD,
that he might be glorified.

Isa 61:4 And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations,
and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations.
Isa 61:5 And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall
be your plowmen and your vinedressers.
Isa 61:6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers
of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.

Isa 61:7 For your shame ye shall have double; and for confusion they shall rejoice in their
portion: therefore in their land they shall possess the double: everlasting joy shall be unto them.

He came the first time to complete Isa 61:1-2 but not all of verse 2.
When He returns, He will complete verse 2 and forward through verse 7.

-and there is a lot of bible prophecies dotted all over Gods holy Word still unfinished.

He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself
a kingdom, and to return.