People do not like the G-d of the Old Testament He is mean killing everyone unless they follow Him. So just wondering why do you like Y-shua, He is going to throw everyone into hell that are not saved in Him? What is your reasoning to throw the Old Testament out but condom the world to hell that is not Saved????
What is your reasoning
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I have sat in many of Bible studies and even on here and people question the G-d of the O.T. because of death when He has told Israel to take over the land, and they act like G-d got "saved" in the N.T. dismissing or just not getting in the N.T. and after people will not only die in the physical but now go to hell for rejecting Him. Why are people's vision of G-d so skewed? It's worse now that Y-shua came but people want to think G-d is bad, for some reason in the O.T. Just want to understand people's thinking.?. They see G-d as evil in the O.T. then love in the New.
He was love all along.... The same G-d.
He was love all along.... The same G-d.
God is the same today, yesterday, and tomorrow. The reason why He seems more mean and hands-on in the Old Testament is because He did things physically in the Old Testament that He now does spiritually in the New Testament. David killed his tens of thousands, which seems mean, but we do the same today- thousands spiritually die to themselves in order to live for God.
“I am crucified with Christ, and yet I live- not I but Christ Who lives within me.”
“I am crucified with Christ, and yet I live- not I but Christ Who lives within me.”
yes
and the people who don't 'like' the OT and 'throw it out' are the same people who don't know it.
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life:
and they are they which testify of me.
(John 5:39)
He tells this when there are no other scriptures on earth but the OT and Himself, the living Word.
they - all the things written in the law and the prophets - testify of Him. the entire book is the revelation of Him
until we comprehend that, i believe that we will never understand the OT correctly - so the people who look at it, and don't see Christ in it, have no idea what they are talking about when they discuss it. nor do i! if i am not seeing Him! that's their reasoning: they don't have the facts, they don't know - so they only reason from what they do know, and we 'are destroyed from lack of knowledge' - lack of knowledge about Him! knowing Yah & His Salvation is eternal life!
everything in the OT that baffles me, i ask, how is this teaching me about the Messiah? i do not begin to truly understand it until i start to see parts of the answer to that question.
and the people who don't 'like' the OT and 'throw it out' are the same people who don't know it.
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life:
and they are they which testify of me.
(John 5:39)
He tells this when there are no other scriptures on earth but the OT and Himself, the living Word.
they - all the things written in the law and the prophets - testify of Him. the entire book is the revelation of Him
until we comprehend that, i believe that we will never understand the OT correctly - so the people who look at it, and don't see Christ in it, have no idea what they are talking about when they discuss it. nor do i! if i am not seeing Him! that's their reasoning: they don't have the facts, they don't know - so they only reason from what they do know, and we 'are destroyed from lack of knowledge' - lack of knowledge about Him! knowing Yah & His Salvation is eternal life!
everything in the OT that baffles me, i ask, how is this teaching me about the Messiah? i do not begin to truly understand it until i start to see parts of the answer to that question.
Hi mcubed,
I like the God of the Old Testament, Mose's said a greater one than me shall come, the prophets of old predicted the coming of Messiah. War's are not always avoidable and God's plan of salvation was met with continual opposition from Genesis all the way to the cross of Calvery, even at Christ birth people tried opposed God's plan to save His people from their sin. Jesus fulfilled the OT, "throw everyone into hell", why do you seem to be so angry, having a bad day? "Where's the beef?"....
"Then when Herod saw that he had been tricked by the magi, he became very enraged, 'and sent and slew all the male children' who were in Bethlehem and all its vicinity, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had determined from the magi." Matthew2:16
I like the God of the Old Testament, Mose's said a greater one than me shall come, the prophets of old predicted the coming of Messiah. War's are not always avoidable and God's plan of salvation was met with continual opposition from Genesis all the way to the cross of Calvery, even at Christ birth people tried opposed God's plan to save His people from their sin. Jesus fulfilled the OT, "throw everyone into hell", why do you seem to be so angry, having a bad day? "Where's the beef?"....
"Then when Herod saw that he had been tricked by the magi, he became very enraged, 'and sent and slew all the male children' who were in Bethlehem and all its vicinity, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had determined from the magi." Matthew2:16
His name is Salvation - and this is what He does:
He destroys sin
this is what He did in the testimony of the the Torah and this is what He did in the testimony of those who witnessed His coming to purchase and redeem for Himself a people with His own blood, and this is what He will do when He comes again
maybe people don't like sin being destroyed? or maybe they just haven't had anyone show them that this is what is written in the Book? and maybe some people just think that they know better how to be a god than God Himself does - which, i was actually just thinking last night, that maybe people who judge Him this way have never understood that this is what they are doing. maybe if they knew this for what it is, they would repent?
you and i, when we are ignorant in the same way, would probably do the same thing.
He destroys sin
this is what He did in the testimony of the the Torah and this is what He did in the testimony of those who witnessed His coming to purchase and redeem for Himself a people with His own blood, and this is what He will do when He comes again
maybe people don't like sin being destroyed? or maybe they just haven't had anyone show them that this is what is written in the Book? and maybe some people just think that they know better how to be a god than God Himself does - which, i was actually just thinking last night, that maybe people who judge Him this way have never understood that this is what they are doing. maybe if they knew this for what it is, they would repent?
you and i, when we are ignorant in the same way, would probably do the same thing.
Hi mcubed,
I like the God of the Old Testament, Mose's said a greater one than me shall come, the prophets of old predicted the coming of Messiah. War's are not always avoidable and God's plan of salvation was met with continual opposition from Genesis all the way to the cross of Calvery, even at Christ birth people tried opposed God's plan to save His people from their sin. Jesus fulfilled the OT, "throw everyone into hell", why do you seem to be so angry, having a bad day? "Where's the beef?"....
I like the God of the Old Testament, Mose's said a greater one than me shall come, the prophets of old predicted the coming of Messiah. War's are not always avoidable and God's plan of salvation was met with continual opposition from Genesis all the way to the cross of Calvery, even at Christ birth people tried opposed God's plan to save His people from their sin. Jesus fulfilled the OT, "throw everyone into hell", why do you seem to be so angry, having a bad day? "Where's the beef?"....
I love that. I am old enough to get the joke...lol...
No anger... But have you ever sat with good hearted Christians who love Y-shua but say they reject the Old Testament because of G-d and He supposedly got saved in the New Testament because He is now about love? This same G-d is going to put people in Hell for rejecting Y-shua so how do you/people reconcile He is different or should throw the baby out with the bathwater?
Abraham answered,
"God himself will provide the lamb"
(Genesis 22:8)
for this is my blood of the new covenant,
that for many is being poured out -- to remission of sins
(Matthew 26:28)
He has obtained a more excellent ministry,
by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant,
which has been enacted on better promises.
(Hebrews 8:6)
be sure and read Jeremiah 31 next, and the rest of Hebrews 8 "God himself will provide the lamb"
(Genesis 22:8)
for this is my blood of the new covenant,
that for many is being poured out -- to remission of sins
(Matthew 26:28)
He has obtained a more excellent ministry,
by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant,
which has been enacted on better promises.
(Hebrews 8:6)
He became hungry.
Seeing at a distance a fig tree in leaf, He went to see if perhaps He would find anything on it; and when He came to it, He found nothing but leaves, for it was not the season for figs. He said to it, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again!” And His disciples were listening.
Then they came to Jerusalem.
(Mark 11:12-15)
When evening came, they would go out of the city.
As they were passing by in the morning, they saw the fig tree withered from the roots up. Being reminded, Peter said to Him, “Rabbi, look, the fig tree which You cursed has withered.” And Jesus answered saying to them, “Have faith in God."
(Mark 11:19-22)
Seeing at a distance a fig tree in leaf, He went to see if perhaps He would find anything on it; and when He came to it, He found nothing but leaves, for it was not the season for figs. He said to it, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again!” And His disciples were listening.
Then they came to Jerusalem.
(Mark 11:12-15)
When evening came, they would go out of the city.
As they were passing by in the morning, they saw the fig tree withered from the roots up. Being reminded, Peter said to Him, “Rabbi, look, the fig tree which You cursed has withered.” And Jesus answered saying to them, “Have faith in God."
(Mark 11:19-22)
You should know by now that those who deliberately try to misrepresent God as revealed in the Tanakh have a deeper problem. They are actually resisting the Holy Spirit since God has commanded them to repent, but they still love darkness rather than light. This is an age old excuse, but it was really promoted by the Higher Critics who tried to tear down the OT.
The other side of the coin is that many preachers have focused only on the love of God and the grace of God, but ignored all of His other attributes. They even forget that Christ on the Cross represents the wrath of God against sin being poured out upon His only begotten Son, instead of every human being. Christ bore our judgment on the tree. As it is written, Cursed is everyone that hangeth on a tree.
The other side of the coin is that many preachers have focused only on the love of God and the grace of God, but ignored all of His other attributes. They even forget that Christ on the Cross represents the wrath of God against sin being poured out upon His only begotten Son, instead of every human being. Christ bore our judgment on the tree. As it is written, Cursed is everyone that hangeth on a tree.
Abraham answered,
"God himself will provide the lamb"
(Genesis 22:8)
for this is my blood of the new covenant,
that for many is being poured out -- to remission of sins
(Matthew 26:28)
He has obtained a more excellent ministry,
by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant,
which has been enacted on better promises.
(Hebrews 8:6)
be sure and read Jeremiah 31 next, and the rest of Hebrews 8 "God himself will provide the lamb"
(Genesis 22:8)
for this is my blood of the new covenant,
that for many is being poured out -- to remission of sins
(Matthew 26:28)
He has obtained a more excellent ministry,
by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant,
which has been enacted on better promises.
(Hebrews 8:6)
When a mother warns a child not to touch a hot stove because he or she will be burned; she has no desire for the burn to occur. If the child touches the hot stove, he/she will be burned even though the mother has no desire for the burn to occur.
When God warned that the consequence of sin is destruction, He has no desire for anyone to experience that destruction.
The consequence is inherent in the act.
God wants so much to keep people from going to hell that he had Jesus take the consequence on Himself for all who would accept Jesus redemption.
The God of the old testament is the God of the new.
The Law had to be harsh because its purpose was to persuade people of their need for a Savior.
As harsh as the Law was, people still try to satisfy God by their own efforts.
Peter tells us:2 Pe 3:9
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
KJV
But, God knows that, as much as He desires it, not everyone will be saved.
The question thus arises: Why would sovereign God allow His will to be thwarted.
The only reasonable answer is that He desires something else more which cannot happen if He causes all to be saved.
I believe that Gad created humanity because He wanted a creature who was able to receive and return His love.
In order for humanity to be able to love, we had to have free will; because of the nature of love.
In order for us to be able to love, we must be able to sin.
When God warned that the consequence of sin is destruction, He has no desire for anyone to experience that destruction.
The consequence is inherent in the act.
God wants so much to keep people from going to hell that he had Jesus take the consequence on Himself for all who would accept Jesus redemption.
The God of the old testament is the God of the new.
The Law had to be harsh because its purpose was to persuade people of their need for a Savior.
As harsh as the Law was, people still try to satisfy God by their own efforts.
Peter tells us:2 Pe 3:9
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
KJV
But, God knows that, as much as He desires it, not everyone will be saved.
The question thus arises: Why would sovereign God allow His will to be thwarted.
The only reasonable answer is that He desires something else more which cannot happen if He causes all to be saved.
I believe that Gad created humanity because He wanted a creature who was able to receive and return His love.
In order for humanity to be able to love, we had to have free will; because of the nature of love.
In order for us to be able to love, we must be able to sin.
It is funny, not haha funny, that you mentioned Galatians 3:13. I was 21 pregnant and alone. My husband was murdered and I slept with someone after and got knocked up. And I thought my child was a curse for my sin. G-d told me to read this Scripture. So I did and I knew my child was my blessing not my curse G-d took my curse. See I was afraid of not loving my baby because I am a product of sin, my parents were married but to to each other. The moment G-d had me read this Scripture I knew my son was a blessing and I loved him. Children are a blessing in spite of our sin. I know what does this have to do with anything. G-d's mercy and grace. See the same G-d that told me of the Blessings and Cursings allowed me to be pregnant and alone at 21 and allowed me to choose life. See Daddy is so big!!! I was saved at 18 knocked up at 21 and the Tannock and the New Testament saved me and my beautiful David Jacob. The point is real life happens but in the pages of Scripture G-d meets us right where we are. And it is all alive. the Old and the New. Cursed is anyone who hangs from a tree is in the New from the Old. There is no difference between the two. Your saved or your not. It's heaven or hell. G-d is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow, and forever. And I just don't get people that reject G-d of the Tannock because He is Y-shua and if someone rejects Him He will do worse than the Old Testament He will reject you and you will experience the second death in Hell.
Yes it was always about loving the Lord God with all your heart, all your mind, all your soul, and all your strength and if you do not love Him with all of those He will grant you what you love, not being with Him. So we can say in this manner He loves the sinner and will give them what they wanted on earth in eternity, being without Him for eternity.
People that think that the God of the OT is different then the God of the NT are people that do not know the Bible. The Lord knows all things and if He kills someone it is because He knows that they are rebelling agianst Him and will forever. He kills in the NT as well, some people that have eaten the bread and drank the cup of the Lord's supper have dead because of that.
I Corintians 11: 27-32 “Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty concerning the body and blood of the Lord.28 Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup.29 For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself.30 That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died.31 But if we judged ourselves truly, we would not be judged.32 But when we are judged by the Lord, we are disciplined so that we may not be condemned along with the world.”
People that think that the God of the OT is different then the God of the NT are people that do not know the Bible. The Lord knows all things and if He kills someone it is because He knows that they are rebelling agianst Him and will forever. He kills in the NT as well, some people that have eaten the bread and drank the cup of the Lord's supper have dead because of that.
I Corintians 11: 27-32 “Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty concerning the body and blood of the Lord.28 Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup.29 For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself.30 That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died.31 But if we judged ourselves truly, we would not be judged.32 But when we are judged by the Lord, we are disciplined so that we may not be condemned along with the world.”
I think its good to know the context.
God did not kill everybody who was not following Him, in the OT. He would have to wipe out all India, China, Americas, Europe, Africa, Egypt etc.
He commanded Israel to totally destroy certain nations in the middle eastern area. And again, the reason was not that they were not simply following Him, but their wickedness. I personally believe their wickedness had something to do with fallen angels (giants), but its only my personal thought.
I also personally belive that the horror of hell is not of being tortured "physically", but of knowing what the person lost when He will see and understand God properly (and I do not think its necessary to believe that hell is without end).
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BTW, there is no reason to leave out "o" from the word "God". Its only a Jewish custom and about God´s name in Hebrew only, not about the word "God".
God did not kill everybody who was not following Him, in the OT. He would have to wipe out all India, China, Americas, Europe, Africa, Egypt etc.
He commanded Israel to totally destroy certain nations in the middle eastern area. And again, the reason was not that they were not simply following Him, but their wickedness. I personally believe their wickedness had something to do with fallen angels (giants), but its only my personal thought.
I also personally belive that the horror of hell is not of being tortured "physically", but of knowing what the person lost when He will see and understand God properly (and I do not think its necessary to believe that hell is without end).
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BTW, there is no reason to leave out "o" from the word "God". Its only a Jewish custom and about God´s name in Hebrew only, not about the word "God".
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