The Gross Error of Limited Atonement
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You must be born again, a Spiritual rebirth into the body of Christ, for He holds the keys to life and death, and the flesh counts for nothing. The person not covered by the shed blood of Christ shall pass into the second death, for their name is blotted out of the Lamb's book of life, and they shall be forgotten. This seems a simple thing to grasp: salvation is contingent upon repentance and belief. You affirm it but then say it doesn't matter, which makes no sense. We are saved from the consequence of sin, which is death, the second death, for all die the first. I think you already know these things 
As one of the elders in my church says, it is both, and.
A side note: when I spoke to atheists, every once in a while they would bring up the idea of how unfair they thought it was that they could not "go to heaven," which seemed quite contradictory to me, since they purported to not believe in such things, but really, if they refuse to acknowledge the One Who has given them life in the first place, why should He give them more? It is quite simple really, but foolishness to those who are perishing in their sins.
As one of the elders in my church says, it is both, and. A side note: when I spoke to atheists, every once in a while they would bring up the idea of how unfair they thought it was that they could not "go to heaven," which seemed quite contradictory to me, since they purported to not believe in such things, but really, if they refuse to acknowledge the One Who has given them life in the first place, why should He give them more? It is quite simple really, but foolishness to those who are perishing in their sins.
Roger that.
A person who is not repentant and in unbelief is in sin.
But since Atonement is for the whole world then repentance and unbelief is no longer a problem in your theology and in the theology of those who don't limit the atonement.
Hello Nehemiah6,
The atonement of Christ for the sins of the world is effective for ALL. Sin is finished for ALL. If sin was not finished, then only the "elect by His Sovereign choice" could be saved.
The veil (sin)was torn so that ALL men could come to the Lord "face to face" and be saved.
Having sin atoned for is NOT salvation. Being Justified, by believing in the Lord Jesus Christ and His personal work for YOU is being saved.
How can we witness like this," The Lord Jesus Christ died for you, believe what He did for you and you will be saved." If He really didn't?
The atonement of Christ for the sins of the world is effective for ALL. Sin is finished for ALL. If sin was not finished, then only the "elect by His Sovereign choice" could be saved.
The veil (sin)was torn so that ALL men could come to the Lord "face to face" and be saved.
Having sin atoned for is NOT salvation. Being Justified, by believing in the Lord Jesus Christ and His personal work for YOU is being saved.
How can we witness like this," The Lord Jesus Christ died for you, believe what He did for you and you will be saved." If He really didn't?
Yes, the payment for sin ABSOLUTELY does cause us to be Righteous. Its the only thing that does.
John 1:29 [FONT="]The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
[/FONT]Yep. Everyone in the world. That believes in Christ.
Otherwise, John 3:18-19
John 1:29 [FONT="]The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
[/FONT]Yep. Everyone in the world. That believes in Christ.
Otherwise, John 3:18-19
Yes He did.
Ephesians 2:13 [FONT="]But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
[/FONT]Ephesians 2:18-19
[FONT="]18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.[/FONT]
[FONT="]19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;[/FONT]
Ephesians 2:13 [FONT="]But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
[/FONT]Ephesians 2:18-19
[FONT="]18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.[/FONT]
[FONT="]19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;[/FONT]
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Wow,
That is not what John 1:29 states by an means
This is a statement of the Good News of the amazing work of Jesus, it is a proclamation, it says very clearly which taketh away the sin of the world
You must have some way to refute this statement to make fit with limited atonement, limited atonement being that Jesus only died for the elect?
That is not what John 1:29 states by an means
This is a statement of the Good News of the amazing work of Jesus, it is a proclamation, it says very clearly which taketh away the sin of the world
You must have some way to refute this statement to make fit with limited atonement, limited atonement being that Jesus only died for the elect?
hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
how is this possible in calvinism? if Jesus only died for elect. how can u trod something that u never had.
same with 26verse
how is this possible in calvinism? if Jesus only died for elect. how can u trod something that u never had.
same with 26verse