Paul the Liar?

[Grandpa]

Now this is an "example" of a post conveyed understandably,you post scripture,and then at the end convey your point in a "conclusion",whether true or not,the point is that you "get your message across",Paul understood this as well,often "speaking as others" in order to "make sense" just like how he preferred not to speak in tongues because he found it better to speak in a more equally understandable manner.

Whether true or not?

You better get right Joe...

lol, j/k

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You had too many weird run-on sentences that didn't have any cohesive meaning in the OP.

Try making a point and then explaining it in sentences that don't have half extra thoughts contained in parantheses. That might help.

Are you just afraid to come out and say plainly what you think Pauls lie is???

That is what it seems like with the confusing way you wrote it.

I could be wrong, but I think his point was made in this post. I have it highlighted/

I am sure you are brighter than you are giving yourself credit. Thank you for being polite. I see some are not gifted in this.
So The post is a bible study. It must be studied. It shows all the connections to prove the point that those (Paul included) who where living unfaithful even though they were given the Word of GOD to share are liars because of the poor example they were putting forth. The liars to which Paul refers to; he himself includes himself due to the shortcomings he knows that are or were in his own life. The Lie Paul is stating in verse 7 is his unfaithful living.

The lie is unfaithful living.

 

[joefizz]

Could you put me on your ignore list.

Also I get that you are frustrated,but I am simply trying to reflect how you just starting out haven't been making a point,I've had trouble with this too before,just calm yourself and think on a better way to explain your point.

 

[preacher4truth]

thank you, i did read it. i'm not the brightest bulb in the box, but there are others here much more gifted than i.

you may want to consider, though, that your point isn't being well understood because it was poorly expressed?

if it's 'not like you're thinking', what is it? i haven't been in this forum enough lately to know you yet.

My apologies! I began to answer the OP before you posted, and had the reply box filled in somewhat, then did some cleaning and vacuuming for my wife, then came back and finished my response. Then I saw yours was similar. lolzzzzz...

 

[joefizz]

Whether true or not?

You better get right Joe...

lol, j/k

Lol just establishing my point,and very nice post also.

 

[notmyown]

My apologies! I began to answer the OP before you posted, and had the reply box filled in somewhat, then did some cleaning and vacuuming for my wife, then came back and finished my response. Then I saw yours was similar. lolzzzzz...

any husband who vacuums for his wife has high regard in my eyes. you may be almost as wonderful as my own husband.
almost. it's a lot to live up to, you understand.

a very happy day of thanksgiving to you and yours.

 

[Grandpa]

I could be wrong, but I think his point was made in this post. I have it highlighted/



The lie is unfaithful living.

I suppose the "lie" could be any and all sin.

Romans 3:19-20
[FONT=&quot]19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.[/FONT]

 

[garee]

He is simply saying a person cannot out sin God’s mercy. If we say we have not sinned we make him out to be liar.

It’s how we let Him be true and every man a liar The proper source of faith is needed. not us after the imaginations of our own deceitful hearts . From my experiences when men start talking about God having or needing faith, there what they call free will is challenged .

For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. Rom 3:3

The question above that leads to the context . What if some do not believe God. Shall there no faith that comes from hearing God be made to no effect. If we believe God to be true that makes every man the liar they were born

Psalms 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies

 

[preacher4truth]

No. It is understood elsewhere. So.....

Oh? Enlighten us with the verbiage of others who've understood your gobbledygook* then perhaps we will understand?

(* I've only used the above word because somehow it reminded me of Thanksgiving!)

Happy Thanksgiving All!

 

[notmyown]

I am sure you are brighter than you are giving yourself credit. Thank you for being polite. I see some are not gifted in this.
So The post is a bible study. It must be studied. It shows all the connections to prove the point that those (Paul included) who where living unfaithful even though they were given the Word of GOD to share are liars because of the poor example they were putting forth. The liars to which Paul refers to; he himself includes himself due to the shortcomings he knows that are or were in his own life. The Lie Paul is stating in verse 7 is his unfaithful living.

okay, i can go there with you. though the Jews had the oracles of God, they did not keep them.
no one can, apart from the grace of God in the Gospel, is that what you're saying?

 

[joefizz]

The curtness in your posts is rather wanting. I would rather be misunderstood or not understood at all than post like you do.

And I would rather stand firm for God and "not encourage confusion" for my God is one of peace not confusion,yeah I'm blunt,but this is because you are on a "high horse" so to speak expecting everyone just to "understand what you have said in the OP",and then coming across as if we are stupid if we can't "figure out" what your point is though you yourself "have not been clear" so yes I give "constructive criticism" but so will many here,especially in the bible discussion forum.

 

[lightbearer]

Unfaithful living?

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Yes as stated Paul includes himself by his use of the word "our"in verse 5 when he says, "But if our unrighteousness commends".
That comment is actually a continuation of the previous sentence. We know this by his use of the word "but" in the before mention clause. That connection to verse four is specifically in relation to the statement, "every man a liar" This he says in connection to who are living in unbelief in verse 3.

Anyway, Paul including himself as in unrighteousness, unbelief. therefore in part a liar. Living a lie because having sinned and falling short of the Glory of God. That is why he admits in verse 7 in the first person to lie. But he states this in the continuation of his argument from the flesh, the man.

In doing this, he also states that the truth of GOD; the oracles to which they were intrusted still got promoted. So from the flesh (the man) he says why am I still judge as a sinner? This is stated in relation to verse six. God judging the World. This is said in relation to verse four, "That You should be justified in Your words, and will overcome in Your being judged." Which is the whole point of Oracles in the first place.

 

[preacher4truth]

any husband who vacuums for his wife has high regard in my eyes. you may be almost as wonderful as my own husband.
almost. it's a lot to live up to, you understand.

a very happy day of thanksgiving to you and yours.

Unfortunately my wife has to work today! She's a pharmd so it's hospital work. She has most of the food prepped, I have to start getting things in the oven &c at certain times that way when we pick her up from work and get home it's pretty much done.

I even cleaned the toilets, sinks, filled up the soap things, cleaned mirrors and dusted. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

(oh, and believe it or not our 7 year old daughter helped, loves to help, asks if she can help!)

 

[lightbearer]

And I would rather stand firm for God and ...

Your posts were impolite from the start. I usually just ignore such.

 

[garee]

It is another way of saying God is not served by human hands .

He can use a lair as natural unconverted man to bring his gospel and it will perform its work of drawing a person closer as it softens the heart or leave the heart hard .

It’s like the man used in the parable in Mathew 7. Christ did not say he did not perform those wonderful works they simply did not make the man true rather that God who puts the words on his tongue.

How beautiful are the feet of the apostles /prophets. Not how beautiful is their words of their mouth as if they were a source of faith . He proved to be a liar(I never knew you) by letting God be the one source of truth

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Mat 7:22

 

[lightbearer]

Oh? Enlighten us with the verbiage of others who've understood your gobbledygook* then perhaps we will understand?

Like I said the same post was understood elsewhere. I did not say that to be a jerk but simply stating that others understood it.

 

[preacher4truth]

I am sure you are brighter than you are giving yourself credit. Thank you for being polite. I see some are not gifted in this.
So The post is a bible study. It must be studied. It shows all the connections to prove the point that those (Paul included) who where living unfaithful even though they were given the Word of GOD to share are liars because of the poor example they were putting forth. The liars to which Paul refers to; he himself includes himself due to the shortcomings he knows that are or were in his own life. The Lie Paul is stating in verse 7 is his unfaithful living.

You clearly misunderstand the text and the commentary you provide as well. The phrase "why am I still being condemned as a sinner? Romans 3:7" shows the absurdity and error of your conclusion.

Ask yourself the question as to why he would be calling himself a liar, living unfaithfully &c then turn around and ask "why am I still being condemned as a sinner?"

See?

You don't grasp the passage.

 

[lightbearer]

Also I get that you are frustrated,.

Actually I am not. But thank you joefizz for this.

 

[preacher4truth]

Like I said the same post was understood elsewhere.

Understanding your post and accepting its error is apples and oranges. What is going on here is your post is difficult to understand because it is poorly conveyed. Even you've alluded to this. We see what you're trying to say, we just don't accept your conclusions.

I did not say that to be a jerk but simply stating that others understood it.

No problem.

 

[joefizz]

Like I said the same post was understood elsewhere. I did not say that to be a jerk but simply stating that others understood it.

but that's the way you "come across to others" hence me and preacher being as you say kurt with you,because you are sounding like a "know it all" and a "phony parroting person" because when someone comes posting long posts full of scripture and references with very little "personal input" it can be viewed as "Trolling"(blatantly harassing people with questions or posts with no point established) some people do this,and we are weary of them being vigilant that things don't get too confusing,because often people as such are "prideful" and "insulting" because they think themselves "superior to other people" or are "onesided" I'm sorry that I sound rather sarcastic,but your original post was pretty "bizarre" so you can't expect "politeness" when you "frustrate people" with "not being clear".