Sabbath

prove-all · Nov 19, 2017

yes A good observation, take for example the phrase

"Thank God it's friday" - T.G.I.F.

Most everyone has heard of this, after a long week of work it's party time.

People all over the world go out drinking and dancing or what not on this night,
the lust of the eyes, drunkenness and only God knows what else goes on.

Then maybe they will rest or go to church on sunday, or maybe just watch a sports game.
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God gave man A gift, but just as the sabbath holy time starts[fri. night], His time,
the world does the very opposite of God , and unholy things are done.

The world is pressing to make a day of rest for all, christian or non christian alike,
on sunday, law even now, europe is making it a quiet day, no noise even allowed at home.

I myself now believe T.G.I.F. was made by the devils influence, and not for God.
just wanted to share my thoughts on this subject.

Studyman · Nov 19, 2017

JaumeJ said:

It's a spiritual battle in my opinion given what the Word instructs. Carnal man hates God and hates His Righteousness. They just don't know it. They hated Jesus because He represented God's righteousness perfectly. Cain hated Abel because of God's Righteousness, not be cause of anything Abel did.

The 7th Day Sabbath is a distinct unique sign of the God of Abraham. Every time the word is mentioned it brings to their mind that they are not doing it. It's like a plague to those who say Lord, Lord, but don't do what He says.

Jesus knew this and warned us that people, especially those who come in Christ's name, will hate us, as they hated Jesus.

Matt. 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

I think this is why Jesus said "forgive them, for they know not what they do". Jesus knew their hatred for Him and His teaching was really their carnal hatred for God and His instruction. They just didn't know it because they refused to accept this truth about themselves.

Good post JJ

LoveGodForever · Nov 19, 2017

JaumeJ said:

There is NO such thing as a Sunday Sabbath keeper. Only those that follow God by Faith through LOVE and those that do not. Those that do NOT BELIEVE have rejected His Word. Those that have NOT Heard the WORD are ignorant and God winks at. Those that have heard the Word however and have rejected God's Word are UNBELIEVERS and unless they repent and confess their SINS they WILL NOT Enter into God's Kingdom (Hebrews 10:26-27)

JaumeJ · Nov 19, 2017

There is the possibility there are many who are truly ignorant of what they are doing yet they are attempting to please our Father on the day they have been deceived into observance. I allow for this. No, the first day of the week cannot be the Sabbath of the Lord God because it is the first day of creation, not the day our Father ceased fro His works.

JaumeJ · Nov 19, 2017

Studyman said:

What you have shared here bowls me over. I cannot believe just how naive I have been for so long. Your shared revelations bring to mind what I sensed right after first sensing the Love that is God for the first time, and that is indignation for wha the churches have done to Jesus christ.

They contiualy crucify Him, and it is true that many who are claiming to be brethren pass on teachings that demonstrate a hatred for our blessed Savior and God.

One evidence of this is the self-serving manner many prachers preach becoming very wealthy while claiming to be pure as teh snow. Oh have I not seen this so well, but now I do.

I am aware God's children are in just about every walk of life, and also in many denominations, but they too will learn the truth one day. God will indeed wipe away many tears. I will be close to the first in line for this I pray.

I know God is good all of the time, so are His children so when any see bad fruit on a tree, run the other way.

LoveGodForever · Nov 19, 2017

Studyman said:

Some scriptures that go with this nice post........

Ezekiel 20
12, Moreover also I GAVE THEM MY SABBATHS, TO BE A SIGN BETWEEN ME AND THEM, THAT THEY MAY KNOW THAT I AM THE LORD THAT SANCTIFY THEM.
20, And KEEP HOLY MY SABBATHS; AND THEY SHALL BE A SIGN BETWEEN ME AND YOU, THAT YOU MAY KNOW I AM THE LORD YOUR.

John 7
7, The world cannot hate you; but ME IT HATES, BECAUSE I TESTIFY OF IT, THAT THE WORKS THEREOF ARE EVIL.

John 3
19, And THIS IS THE CONDEMNATION, THAT LIGHT ,<truth> IS COME INTO THE WORLD, and men loved DARKNESS rather then LIGHT <truth> BECAUSE THEIR DEEDS WHERE EVIL.
20, For EVERYONE THAT DOES EVIL HATES THE LIGHT <truth>, neither comes to the light <truth> LEST HIS DEEDS SHOULD BE REPROVED.
21, But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

We have the same duty of LOVE to follow our Lord and share His truth for repentance and forgiveness for the remission of SINS......

Matthew 10
22, And YOU SHALL BE HATED OF ALL MEN FOR MY NAMES SAKE; <Why? because like Jesus in John 7:7 those that love him are testifying to the world that their deeds are EVIL and keeping them out of God's Kingdom> but he that endures to the end shall be saved.
23, But WHEN THEY PERSECUTE YOU IN THIS CITY, FLEE TO ANOTHER: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
24, THE DISCIPLE IS NOT ABOVE HIS MASTER, NOR THE SERVANT ABOVE HIS LORD.
25, IT IS ENOUGH FOR THE DISCIPLE TO BE AS HIS MASTER, AND THE SERVANT AS HIS LORD. IF THEY HAVE CALLED THE MASTER OF THE HOUSE BEELZEBUB (DEVIL), HOW MUCH MORE THEM OF HIS HOUSEHOLD?

This is the lot of those that are the BELIEVERS that through FAITH that works by LOVE follow Him who LOVES ALL. From Genesis through to Revelation, all through time the Prophets, Jesus and the disciples have been persecuted by their own people because they TESTIFIED against them because their DEEDS where EVIL. This has continued through to the REFORMATION and the beginning of Protestantism when Protestantism was real and will continue once more till the END OF TIME when Jesus will return....

The Judgements of God; INCLUDING THE MARK OF THE BEAST have only ever been given to Mankind because of SIN (breaking God's Law) The thing that has been it s the thing that shall be; there is nothing new under the sun..

Those that have ears to hear let them hear with God's Spirit teaches.........

As it was in the days of Noah and Sodom, so shall it be in the coming of the Son of man...... IT IS SIN ALONE that will keep ALL OUT of God's Kingdom.

Endoscopy · Nov 20, 2017

sparkman said:

Yeah, you're right. As a former Sabbathkeeper, I realize that the hermeneutics employed by them are all messed up. They also attempt to guilt the person into accepting the Sabbath.

"You don't love God if you don't keep the commandments, and the Sabbath is included in the commandments".

They ignore the fact that Christians believe in obedience to the commandments that apply to THEM and not ancient Israel. It is THEIR presupposition that COMMANDMENTS = TEN COMMANDMENTS, and we don't accept that presupposition...although this works with some Christians because they don't understand that the Mosaic Covenant was one unified Law, and can't be parsed out into Ten Commandments vs. Book of the Covenant like the SDAs and some Christian groups try to do.

Additionally, they will claim that we are the ones twisting Paul's writings to our own destruction, rather than them. That's a common tactic. They are the ignorant and unstable ones..not evangelical Christians.

I posted a paper by a Messianic Jew on Hebrew Roots Movement on a different thread that examines the claim that one becomes true Israel by observing Torah. Some Hebrew Roots nuts even claim that Gentiles are, in fact, the lost Ten Tribes and therefore obligated to observe all of Torah due to this..they are descendants of Abraham.

Incidentally, I find it comical that one Hebrew Roots guy claims that he fights with his brother because his brother is from a warlike tribe of ancient Israel, Gad I think...I am not sure if they have different parents but if they have the same parents, that would be amusing because he claims he is from Dan, I believe.

As an Armstrongite, I believed I was from Israel, too, although I didn't try to specify the tribe. Pastors claimed they were likely from the tribe of Levi.

Logic is lost on some people

God must open their heart to see that their war against evangelical Christianity is a result of their indoctrination, and they are not the valiant defenders of "the Truth" like their organizations claim. Don Quixote and the windmills come to mind...bumbling fools with bad eyesight who can't tell the difference between evil giants and windmills.

I read a lot of that concept. There's minor evidence to support that concept but nothing major. The minor evidence is red hair and names of some places using derivations of the name Dan.

In actual evidence that is not talked about much there is evidence that under David and Solomon Israelites came to North America and mined and explored the continent. Played out mines near the Great Lakes and a Hebrew/Aramaic inscription of the 10 Commandments found in southwest America. Artifacts place them in the era of David and Solomon and the writing of the 10 Commandments use writing of the letters of that same era.

Endoscopy · Nov 20, 2017

To create that inscription a person would have to be completely knowledgeable about how letters were formed in that era. Then have the ability to use the tools to inscribe the rock, and have the ability to weather the result to show its fake age.

Absolutely not likely.

JohnTalmid · Nov 21, 2017

JaumeJ said:

Well put JJ.
Remember mixing the word you use with love.

I find Paul's teaching to empower the word of our Master Y'shua the Messiah. When Paul says that their is no sin. I am reminded that the Sabbath day, a gift for mankind is the best example for the people who believe and those who do not.

I guard the Sabbaths because my Master Y'shua teaches to both, do the will of the Father, and live by every word that precedes from the mouth of the Father. First and most importantly Love the Father. Second and like it Love your neighbors; Chief of neighbors is the Son of Man Y'shua the Messiah. Finally receive Love and do the will of Your Father by the way of the Word of Elohi, Messiah, and have life now. In your weakness Messiah Yahshua is our strength.

I give this testimony also because it is written that your blood will not be on my hands because I did Love you enough to be humble, as I approach the Sabbath as well as the commandments.

I believe Paul would agree, I do not condemn the sinner but do confront her sin. If I refuse to be a witness to the power of the Holy Spirit too convert not only the soul but whole body and spirit as well, I would not be doing justice to the overwhelming redemption we have claim through Faith in Messiah Yahshua and the Father's instructions\covenants.

Here in scripture we find the observance made that as the bronze or copper serpent on the staff was a shadow of Messiah Yahshua which if raised up for all too see will draw all mankind to Himself.

There is also another place where it could be interpreted that the people drank a foreshadow of wormwood and many of them where judged and died.
Just as they prayed to the serpent of metal so will the serpent today be ground up and thrown into the cup of wrath for judgment on that great and terrible day. Return and be Healed beloved of The Father who are known of by Him as His Word reveals. The ministration of righteousness exceed anything that sin condemns you of by way of that Law. We have been brought close not to this law, rather through Messiah Yahshua we are given opportunity to apply His Instruction of Liberty without condemnation. Those who are condemned by way of this Law of sin and death have not remained in Him. If they had known that truth and Peace that surpasses all understanding and tasted the good of the Father and returned to the way of the world, doesn't the word say something like, "the truth was not in them"...?

Through the mess of my own thoughts and prayers for you guys close to the promise and them far off. Shalom Shalom in Yahshua the Messiah, John Talmid

LoveGodForever · Nov 24, 2017

Very Happy Sabbath my time from the future for all those that love the Lord and follow him in LOVE. We are now free in HIM who LOVES all to follow HIM in LOVE. God bless you all His FAITHFUL who BELIEVE HIS WORD that carries the POWER of CREATION through FAITH in those who BELIEVE.

May God bless you all as you seek Him through His LIVING Word that gives LIFE to the eater and drinker.

TMS · Nov 24, 2017

yes Happy Sabbath
from here in Australia.
Praise God for This Gift to stop and worship Him.

loveme1 · Nov 24, 2017

In GOD’s Grace May we Remember to Keep the Sabbath Holy through our Faith in His Beloved Son our Lord and Saviour.

Romans 8

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

It is not our doing but whom we Believe: Our Good Shepherd that found and made us new to follow Him as He leads us into the Kingdom of GOD.

GOD be thanked in all and for all things for now and forever.

Peace and love you all where ever you abide.

TMS · Nov 24, 2017

Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Rom 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

end of means like, the end of a trip, looking through a telescope and seeing whats at the end.

G5056 telos
tel'-os
From a primary word τέλλω tellō (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly the point aimed at as a limit, that is, (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination [literally, figuratively or indefinitely], result [immediate, ultimate or prophetic], purpose); specifically an impost or levy (as paid): - + continual, custom, end (-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare G5411.

Rom 10:4 For Christ is the uttermost point, or the final result of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

TMS · Nov 24, 2017

We can't keep the law perfectly and that is why we need a Savior, but the Lord tells me to go and sin no more and I desire to follow Him. Therefore i obey, not to be saved but because i love Jesus for saving me and know that the Holy Spirit is working in me to obey His will.

Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Rom_12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

Hizikyah · Nov 24, 2017

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 119:5-12, “Oh, that my ways were established To guard Your laws![/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Then I would not be ashamed, When I look into all Your commands. I thank You with uprightness of heart, When I learn the right-rulings of Your righteousness. I guard Your laws; Oh, do not leave me entirely! How would a young man cleanse his path? To guard it according to Your word. I have sought You with all my heart; Let me not stray from Your commands! I have treasured up Your word in my heart, That I might not sin against You. Blessed are You, O [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]! Teach me Your laws.”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 1:8-10, “If we say that we have no sin, we are misleading ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is trustworthy and righteous to forgive us the sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:17, "All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death."[/FONT]

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 5:13, "For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 4:15, "Because the law works wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law*!"[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 6:16, "Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves servants for obedience, you are servants of the one whom you obey, whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?"[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"[/FONT]

rstrats · Nov 24, 2017

phil36,
re: "...the first Christians used Sunday as their day of rest in remembrance of the resurrection."

Just so it's understood that nowhere in scripture is anything said with regard to anyone meeting on the first day of the week in remembrance of the resurrection.

JaumeJ · Nov 24, 2017

Just so we are understood, where and when Did our Father change the Seventh Day to the First, and when did He say His Sabbath has been altered by men?

Please quote the literal change, and do not go by the traditions taught by flesh.

rstrats said:

JaumeJ · Nov 24, 2017

Once again, just so we understand.

Good Sabbath to all, be your dfay today or tomorrow.

My Sabbath is today, the Seventh Day because God gave me the Seventh Day as a gift. No one has changed times or days since for it is impossible for man to do so.

Do not lie and say I am under the law as though cursed with death to come because I obey God, for that is an error.

Neither I nor all the family who believe as do dI condemn anyone for observing any day the believe correct with a clear conscience in the sight of God, but please, if you believe that teaching from Paul, aloow those who remain with the day designated by our Father to be seen as guilt free also, because if you do not you are a judge and a prosecuting attorney for the enmy, and this should not be.

Good Sabbath to all who observe it...............

rstrats · Nov 24, 2017

JaumeJ,

Why did you quote my comment from post #4276?

JaumeJ · Nov 24, 2017

Because my disablity, vision, made me see it wrong twice......pleae forgive that.
I should have been addressing the one who made the comment on the first day Sabbath.

PS.........THANK YOU.

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