How human was the incarnate Christ?

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loveme1

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Hebrews 2 came to mind...
 

notuptome

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I agree.

Ro 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Think on these things as we remember the advent of Christ. In the humble manger of Bethlehem lies the Eternal God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

notuptome

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removed please move on no need to repeat .
 
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In the opening post, I specifically mentioned three systems of the human body, our cardiovascular system, our digestive system—and our nervous system that includes our brain! Jesus had a human brain—just like ours! However, it is often supposed by Christians, including many who post to Christian Chat, that Jesus knew everything—including whether the Genesis flood actually occurred, and whether Moses wrote the Pentateuch.

In Mark 6:3 we read, “Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? Are not His sisters here with us?” And they took offense at Him.

I am a conservative, evangelical Christian, and therefore I believe that Jesus was actually a carpenter, having been raised in a first century Jewish family with four brothers and an unspecified number of sisters. I do not believe that He attended a university to study world history, cosmology, chemistry, physics, or the arts—and therefore I do not believe that He knew anything more about these subjects than the typical young layman in his community. I do believe, however, that He believed the Jewish traditions that were part of the culture in which He was raised by Mary and Joseph. Therefore, He would have believed that the Genesis flood actually occurred and that Moses wrote the Pentateuch—unless His heavenly Father had told Him otherwise.

Therefore, I ask—is it likely that His heavenly Father had told Him otherwise? Surely if He had, and Jesus had shared with the people around these things, He would have been severely ostracized by his community, and by every other community in which He had shared these things, for being a subversive heretic!

The inspired four gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) accurately tell us what Jesus taught, but they do not tell us whether Jesus believed correctly about the Genesis flood and the Mosaic authorship of the Pentateuch. We simply believe that Jesus believed and taught correctly because God is omniscient—and Jesus is God—sometimes forgetting that He was also a human being with a very finite human brain!
Really? So when he said that he did everything he saw his Father was doing, he was just a carpenter? Or he couldn't really see the Father in the trinity?

AND he just lucked out that Bartholomew was sitting under a fig tree right before he started following Jesus? And he just lucked out with the soldier when he told him his daughter was just saved from death? And he just lucked out when a crowd was all around him, but he picked out the right woman who had just touched his garment, (because many were touching his garment), so when she was cured from issuing blood, he looked good? And, just like any other ordinary man with a digestive system, heart, and brain, he rose from the dead?

How many ordinary-brained men do you know who have telepathy, the ability to know what is going on in heaven at any given moment, the power to heal, biggest power -- the power to forgive sin, and can raise someone from the dead at a distance?

The Father is omniscient. If Jesus knew what he was doing 24/7, then I'm more of the persuasion that includes Jesus knew -- intimately -- the flood, the Garden of Eden, and 2.2 million people crossing wilderness in the course of a mere 40 years.
 
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Must you resort to such base imagery? It's not amusing and of very poor taste.

Php 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
I do not put on a false face, or pretend I'm special because I know God has seen me facing the toilet in both directions. He has seen me at my worse, and yet you don't want to think he had bodily functions?

Oy vey!
 

notuptome

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I do not put on a false face, or pretend I'm special because I know God has seen me facing the toilet in both directions. He has seen me at my worse, and yet you don't want to think he had bodily functions?

Oy vey!
You are consistent. We do not need to discuss "bodily functions" in the forums. I never said the Lord did not have any only that there are better things to consider.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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You are consistent. We do not need to discuss "bodily functions" in the forums. I never said the Lord did not have any only that there are better things to consider.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
May I assume that sometime in your life you changed a diaper? Why? Because, honestly? How were you able to communicate to the baby's mother if the baby was regular, if you didn't simply say, "The baby pooed?" When my little brother really was (little), during potty training, poo was the word he used to let us know it was time to sit him on the toilet. He hadn't even had his first birthday yet, and we were proud of him for telling us what he needed to do.

Poo is not a curse word. It is something all humans do. It's something all living creatures do. Even Winnie Poohed. lol

I think it's a cute word. If I were being consistent, I would use a word, (that also is not a curse word), that would raise the hackles on the back of your neck to describe it. I though Breno was sweet to use such a non-vulgar word to show exactly how human Jesus was.

Reality time. Jesus also sweated, and back in the days when they did not have deodorant.
 

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Must you resort to such base imagery? It's not amusing and of very poor taste.

Php 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Let's be real. It's a natural function of life that God has created and designed.

I did not set out to offend but to equate to His humanness.

I'm surprised that even a mod would be uptight as to remove my comment yet leave utmost heresies remain on this site.


Shall I mention the numerous masturbation discussions on this site?

Oh well, it is what it is.
 
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CS1

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May I assume that sometime in your life you changed a diaper? Why? Because, honestly? How were you able to communicate to the baby's mother if the baby was regular, if you didn't simply say, "The baby pooed?" When my little brother really was (little), during potty training, poo was the word he used to let us know it was time to sit him on the toilet. He hadn't even had his first birthday yet, and we were proud of him for telling us what he needed to do.

Poo is not a curse word. It is something all humans do. It's something all living creatures do. Even Winnie Poohed. lol

I think it's a cute word. If I were being consistent, I would use a word, (that also is not a curse word), that would raise the hackles on the back of your neck to describe it. I though Breno was sweet to use such a non-vulgar word to show exactly how human Jesus was.

Reality time. Jesus also sweated, and back in the days when they did not have deodorant.

Agree the word is not a curse word true. However, is it really something we would ask the Lord about in context to HIS Humanity? I do not think so. Nor is the comment edifying. I think we must all remember of whom we are speaking about.

We are not talking about just any baby; this is the Lord Jesus Christ. I think more self-control and reverence is needed.
 

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Let's be real. It's a natural function of life that God has created and designed.

I did not set out to offend but to equate to His humanness.

I'm surprised that even a mod would be uptight as to remove my comment yet leave utmost heresies remain on this site.


Shall I mention the numerous masturbation discussions on this site?

Oh well, it is what it is.

you mean , in ref to the self-gratfying discussions that have turned into examples of lack of self-control? I have deleted them. your point?

are you now going to suggest something else about the Lord ?
 
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you mean , in ref to the self-gratfying discussions that have turned into examples of lack of self-control? I have deleted them. your point?

are you now going to suggest something else about the Lord ?
Why would I?
He never sinned though He was tempted in all points.

A totally different matter and you know it.
 

CS1

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Why would I?
He never sinned though He was tempted in all points.

A totally different matter and you know it.
What I do know is when a Mod removes something and gives a reason for it you do not need to inject the reason why you think a Mod has done so. and you know the rules.

have nice day.
 

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What I do know is when a Mod removes something and gives a reason for it you do not need to inject the reason why you think a Mod has done so. and you know the rules.

have nice day.
You're right, I'm out of line to question your decisions. I'm sorry, please forgive me.
 
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Did the incarnate Christ (Jesus) have a cardiovascular system like ours? A digestive system like ours? A nervous system like ours?
Hebrews 2:17 " For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people."


Jesus Had to be made One of us, in order to atone for OUR sins against God. every aspect of humanity was shared in by jesus. things God cannot do such as being tempted by evil, Jesus became a man in order to be tempted as we are, and overcome the temptation, and never commit sin. it was necessatated by Our sin and sentance of death. He was born as we are from the womb, flesh, blood, under sentance of death.........and He OBVERCAME that sentance of death for mankind, in order to do this He had to be One of us.
 
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Agree the word is not a curse word true. However, is it really something we would ask the Lord about in context to HIS Humanity? I do not think so. Nor is the comment edifying. I think we must all remember of whom we are speaking about.

We are not talking about just any baby; this is the Lord Jesus Christ. I think more self-control and reverence is needed.
We? Apparently not. Me? Yes! Given the question and the context of the question? Very much yes!

Is what CS1 Person thinks or CS1 Moderator thinks? Because...
 
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you mean , in ref to the self-gratfying discussions that have turned into examples of lack of self-control? I have deleted them. your point?

are you now going to suggest something else about the Lord ?
... I've seen masturbation topics on this site disappear only because they became old and faded away.

Is this a new edict you (CS1 Moderator) are passing down?
 

CS1

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... I've seen masturbation topics on this site disappear only because they became old and faded away.

Is this a new edict you (CS1 Moderator) are passing down?
Depleted I have deleted them because they turned perverted as I documented when they were removed age had nothing to do with it . But i'm very excided in following that subject . as you are.
 

CS1

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You're right, I'm out of line to question your decisions. I'm sorry, please forgive me.
nothing to forgive I respect your opinion :)
 
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Depleted I have deleted them because they turned perverted as I documented when they were removed age had nothing to do with it . But i'm very excided in following that subject . as you are.
Sorry. One little typo and I missed what you meant. Mind trying again? (I didn't get what "i'm very excided in following that subject . as you are" meant. Possibly because I didn't get the word "excided." Possibly because masturbation really isn't my cup of tea most the time -- discussion wise. Not taking this to personal level. lol Also don't know when age showed up in this conversation. So missed your meaning in two places.)

Also, since we're talking about deleting stuff after mods explain why it's being deleted, this might be a good place to bring this up. I started a thread about a week or so ago. And, poof. It disappeared a day or two ago. Whichever mod had it disappear might well have told why it disappeared, but since it disappeared, I never found out why. I'm guessing no one did. (Can't prove that, since it just disappeared. lol) Any chance y'all could notify OP when you're disappearing a thread? No infraction given to me, so I know it wasn't my fault, but very weird feeling knowing it's my thread and poof -- gone.


And, just so you know, I had no idea you disappeared a couple of posts on this thread before responding to you. I simply answered the questions you asked me.