Did Jesus abolish the law? Should we keep the commandments?

[stillness]

The tablets of stone were carved by Moses after he broke the ones he received.
"I will take away your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh."
The new covenant Law is written on our heart by the Holy spirit. Hebrews 10:16
"You do not need anyone to teach you, 1John2:27
"Some preach Christ out of strife and contention and some out of love and well doing."
Paul was not disappointed about those who preach out of strife, he said he rejoiced that Christ is preached either way?
Trying to force people to be under the Law, they are freeing them from the Law:
It's in our nature not to be told what to do, but to have free will.
"Only by pride come contention."
The law was meant to expose us and bring us to Christ
Hearing all the contention about the Law helps us walk away from a heart of stone and face our need of the Lord.

 

[PS]

You still don't understand that it is the 10 commandments that are being talked about?

You are contending that the Lord Jesus abolished the law, meaning the levitical law, but people are still bound to work at commandments (the 10)?

Then people need to understand that the Ten Commandments are for all time. To end them would mean anarchy.

So what law did Jesus end? You know as well as I do, and once people understand the difference between the Ten Commandments and the Levitical Law, there is no debate. This is why I asked why it was still being debated.

 

[stonesoffire]

Hello Friend,

SIN is breaking God's Law no matter what commandment you are talking about. If you are living a life of known unrepentant SIN you do not know God and your SINS will keep you OUT of God's Kingdom because you are not BELIEVING the Word of God. Those who do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's Word have no place in God's Kingdom.

Acts 17
30, And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now <When a knowledge of the truth comes> commands all men every where to repent:
31, Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

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James 2
8, If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
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Hebrews 10
26, For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

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Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
(Revelation 14:6-8; 18:4)

Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

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There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9).

Following the teachings and traditions of men will keep you out of God's Kingdom.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

The new man follows the Spirit of God for our very nature has changed from Adam Transgresser, to Adam, Redeemer.

We are not under any written code, but what we are now, and live as, Sons of the Living God, through the death, and blood and subsequent Ressurrection of Jesus, Son, God is what we produce through the power of Holy Spirit. What law would be greater than an act of Gods own Spirit?

Every day is the Lords day for He is Lord of all heaven, and earth. We worship Him daily as we live, move, and have our very being in Him.

in Him. To me the two greatest words ever produced in this life.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Then people need to understand that the Ten Commandments are for all time. To end them would mean anarchy.

Are you trusting in the keeping of the ten commandments as a requirement for salvation? When anyone trusts in anything other than the Lord's sacrifice, then it is the same as saying that the Lord's sacrifice was insufficient. Simply put, when anyone trusts in his own works as a requirement for salvation, then he is not trusting in the Lord's work.

Believers in Christ should not be focused on the keeping of the law, but trusting in Christ who provided salvation for us, completely and fully and not by anything that we could do. If we are following Christ and led by the Spirit, then we are not going to be seeking to gratify the desires of the sinful nature. And if we fall into them and we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us of all unrighteousness.

Just FYI, the ten commandments were given to Israel on the mount and are apart of the covenant of the law.

 

[JaumeJ]

Adam sinned, and he did that without the law, nothing written.

It is absolute truth that the written code kills without the Holy Spirit.

It is also tru the law is written on our hearts by God...yes! Written. Because of this, an d being now spiritual, when we read the commandments and te law our hearts freely testify to their truth for God's will is truth.

Nowhere does Jesus say He has abolished the written law (understood by the spirit), but He has fulfilledd the law and the prophets........... He aLSO has declared the law is in effect, but here is the barb, people read this but do not learn from Him how it is to be since His advent.

This is sad and true. I say sad for those who believe disobedience has been given the green light by grace.

The new man follows the Spirit of God for our very nature has changed from Adam Transgresser, to Adam, Redeemer.

We are not under any written code, but what we are now, and live as, Sons of the Living God, through the death, and blood and subsequent Ressurrection of Jesus, Son, God is what we produce through the power of Holy Spirit. What law would be greater than an act of Gods own Spirit?

Every day is the Lords day for He is Lord of all heaven, and earth. We worship Him daily as we live, move, and have our very being in Him.

in Him. To me the two greatest words ever produced in this life.

 

[stonesoffire]

Jaume:
Adam sinned, and he did that without the law, nothing written.

Stones: Oh, but Adam did trampnsgress Jaume. God told him not to eat of that tree.

Jaume
It is absolute truth that the written code kills without the Holy Spirit.

stones: agreed

Jaune
It is also tru the law is written on our hearts by God...yes! Written. Because of this, an d being now spiritual, when we read the commandments and te law our hearts freely testify to their truth for God's will is truth.

Stones: I know that practically everyone on this board says this. But, I disagree. Writing on the heart was for Israel. Not for the body of Christ. A new creation man is what we are. This is not taught. This isn't given in truth because it will cause a response that most leaders of denominations have tried to do away with. And that is Life in the Spirit in the Spirit of God.

Would God need to follow a list of rules in order to be Himself? Odd question I know, but we are His Sons. I am a Son too for no gender in Spirit. The image being created of Christ Jesus. Something we don't really understand in the beginning.

A heart with law written on it is like David. We have a greater than David. We are walking Candlesticks. Oil flowing to a heart burning with love.

I know you have been insulted Jaume. Even by me but unintentional in my bumbling words. Jesus has been straightening out these wrinkles in us all. Taking away the spots of corrupted understanding. Please forgive us Jaume.

But, time is moving fast, and the Son is at the door. We need to grow up.






Nowhere does Jesus say He has abolished the written law (understood by the spirit), but He has fulfilledd the law and the prophets........... He aLSO has declared the law is in effect, but here is the barb, people read this but do not learn from Him how it is to be since His advent.

This is sad and true. I say sad for those who believe disobedience has been given the green light by grace.[/QUOTE]

 

[JaumeJ]

It is very important for all who believe they do not sin when there is nothing written.......I am sorry you did not understand my stressing this point, as I hav before due to the misconception of the grace-only folks who are against the wisdom of God being acknowledged and obeyed.

Thank you for pointing this out.

 

[LoveGodForever]

The new man follows the Spirit of God for our very nature has changed from Adam Transgresser, to Adam, Redeemer.

We are not under any written code, but what we are now, and live as, Sons of the Living God, through the death, and blood and subsequent Ressurrection of Jesus, Son, God is what we produce through the power of Holy Spirit. What law would be greater than an act of Gods own Spirit?

Every day is the Lords day for He is Lord of all heaven, and earth. We worship Him daily as we live, move, and have our very being in Him.

in Him. To me the two greatest words ever produced in this life.

Hi SOF,

This is true however God only gives the Holy Spirit to those who obey Him. If you have known SIN in your life you need to repent and confess your sins before you receive God's Spirit....

Acts 17
30, And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now <When a knowledge of the truth is come> commands all men every where to repent: 31, Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

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Act 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Act 3:19
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Repentance, confession and turning away from sin are the conditions of receiving God's Spirit because God only gives the Holy Spirit to those who through Faith OBEY him...

Acts 5:32
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

If you are continuing in known UNREPENTANT SIN you DO NOT have the Holy Spirit and do not know HIM who loves all......

1 John 3
6, Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.


God's 4th commandment is one of the ten ( Exodus 20:8-11 ) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place. There is NO scripture that says Jesus is a Sabbath.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[LoveGodForever]

Are you trusting in the keeping of the ten commandments as a requirement for salvation?

No one is saved by keeping the 10 commandments for salvation. We are all only saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God lest any man should boast.

Obedience however is the FRUIT of Faith and if there is no fruit your faith is dead (James 2:18; 20; 26).......................

It's never been about following the law its always been about following Christ by faith through love alone. Faith that works by love is what fulfills God's Law in those that walk in His Spirit (Romans 13:8-10).

Obedience is only the fruit of faith and a sign that someone is genuinely following God's Word (Matthew 7:17-27). If you seek obedience without faith you will never attain it because this is the gift of God written on the heart (Ephesians 2:8; Galatians 2:16; Hebrews 8:10-12).

But if you believe God's Word, your faith will be counted for righteousness in God's eyes (Romans 1:17; Philippians 3:9). If your faith does not have the fruit of obedience (God's work in you) than you are still in your sins and have not seen him or known him and your faith is dead (Philippians 2:13; Hebrews 10:26-27; 1 John 2:2-4; 1 John 3:3-9).

What we are talking about is SIN and how SIN will keep all who practice it OUT of God's Kingdom. If you profess to have saving FAITH but your faith does NOT have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE to God's Word then your faith is DEAD and you are still in your SINS and do not KNOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE all as he first LOVED us. LOVE is the fulfilling of the LAW in those who walk by FAITH in God's Spirit. (James 2:18; 20; 26; Romans 13:8-10; 1 John 3:3-10; James 2:8-12; Matthew 7:13-20)

There are only two classes of people spoken about in God's Word. These are those that follow God by Faith through LOVE and those that do not. Those that do NOT BELIEVE have rejected His Word. Those that have NOT Heard the WORD are ignorant and God winks at. Those that have heard the Word however and have rejected God's Word are UNBELIEVERS and unless they repent and confess their SINS they WILL NOT Enter into God's Kingdom (Hebrews 10:26-27)

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten ( Exodus 20:8-11 ) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place. There is NO scripture that says Jesus is a Sabbath.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[JaumeJ]

When se read teh law since Grace and the Holy Spirit we know which are fulfilled by Jesus Christ and which are yet true.

For instance when I see the law that we are to return our enemy's goods should we encounter them away from him, we are to return it to him. I do not need to read this law to know it is to be followed as all others on morality fromthe wisdome of God the Father.

When I read the Ten Commandments, I know they are to be obeyed as best possible because they are not evil nor are the anything other than God's wisdom and will.

Yes the written code kills, and I see it happening all of the time, especially in many posts, but the Holy Spirit gives life to the writtten code for all who have the law written on their hearts for their hearts, gjuided by the Holy Spirit bear witness to the wisdom andlove of God within.

The Holy Spisrit gives life to the written code in the manner only those who have received Him understand.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Hello LoveGodForever,

No one is saved by keeping the 10 commandments for salvation. We are all only saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God lest any man should boast.

Is that not exactly what I said in the post. Please go read the post that I responded to again. Bellow is the complete post:

Are you trusting in the keeping of the ten commandments as a requirement for salvation? When anyone trusts in anything other than the Lord's sacrifice, then it is the same as saying that the Lord's sacrifice was insufficient. Simply put, when anyone trusts in his own works as a requirement for salvation, then he is not trusting in the Lord's work.

Believers in Christ should not be focused on the keeping of the law, but trusting in Christ who provided salvation for us, completely and fully and not by anything that we could do. If we are following Christ and led by the Spirit, then we are not going to be seeking to gratify the desires of the sinful nature. And if we fall into them and we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us of all unrighteousness.

Just FYI, the ten commandments were given to Israel on the mount and are apart of the covenant of the law.

 

[JaumeJ]

It is important to keep in mind always when partaking of the Bread from Heaven, His teaching, where the Body is the eagles gather. He who has ears let him hear what the Spirit has said to the assemblies.

 

[PS]

Are you trusting in the keeping of the ten commandments as a requirement for salvation? When anyone trusts in anything other than the Lord's sacrifice, then it is the same as saying that the Lord's sacrifice was insufficient. Simply put, when anyone trusts in his own works as a requirement for salvation, then he is not trusting in the Lord's work.

No. I am most certainly not basing my salvation on the keeping of the Ten Commandments. Salvation is by faith alone.

Believers in Christ should not be focused on the keeping of the law, but trusting in Christ who provided salvation for us, completely and fully and not by anything that we could do. If we are following Christ and led by the Spirit, then we are not going to be seeking to gratify the desires of the sinful nature. And if we fall into them and we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us of all unrighteousness.

That is my message.

Just FYI, the ten commandments were given to Israel on the mount and are apart of the covenant of the law.

Jesus strengthened the Ten Commandments and enlarged them in the Sermon on the Mount, so ending the need for Jews to follow the Levitical Law, while teaching the necessity of believing and following Him.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jaume:
Adam sinned, and he did that without the law, nothing written.

Stones: Oh, but Adam did trampnsgress Jaume. God told him not to eat of that tree.

Jaume
It is absolute truth that the written code kills without the Holy Spirit.

stones: agreed

Jaune
It is also tru the law is written on our hearts by God...yes! Written. Because of this, an d being now spiritual, when we read the commandments and te law our hearts freely testify to their truth for God's will is truth.

Stones: I know that practically everyone on this board says this. But, I disagree. Writing on the heart was for Israel. Not for the body of Christ. A new creation man is what we are. This is not taught. This isn't given in truth because it will cause a response that most leaders of denominations have tried to do away with. And that is Life in the Spirit in the Spirit of God.

Would God need to follow a list of rules in order to be Himself? Odd question I know, but we are His Sons. I am a Son too for no gender in Spirit. The image being created of Christ Jesus. Something we don't really understand in the beginning.

A heart with law written on it is like David. We have a greater than David. We are walking Candlesticks. Oil flowing to a heart burning with love.

I know you have been insulted Jaume. Even by me but unintentional in my bumbling words. Jesus has been straightening out these wrinkles in us all. Taking away the spots of corrupted understanding. Please forgive us Jaume.

But, time is moving fast, and the Son is at the door. We need to grow up.






Nowhere does Jesus say He has abolished the written law (understood by the spirit), but He has fulfilledd the law and the prophets........... He aLSO has declared the law is in effect, but here is the barb, people read this but do not learn from Him how it is to be since His advent.

This is sad and true. I say sad for those who believe disobedience has been given the green light by grace.

Before we grow up we must first be born again.

After we are born again, We need to start to learn to trust Christ. And love as he loved us (this takes time and patience and may take some painful growing pains as we struggle to crucify the flesh)

the last thing we need to do is put our focus on the law as some want us to do. The ministry of death can only do that. It will NOT help us grow and be sanctified in Christ, All it can do at best is causal us pain as we realise we can not do it. Or water it down and become arrogant thinking we are doing it.

 

[Marcelo]

Many Christians say that Jesus has abolished the law and therefore they don't want to keep the commandments. But I can't agree with that.

Romans 6:14King James Version (KJV)

14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

 

[Grandpa]

Then people need to understand that the Ten Commandments are for all time. To end them would mean anarchy.

So what law did Jesus end? You know as well as I do, and once people understand the difference between the Ten Commandments and the Levitical Law, there is no debate. This is why I asked why it was still being debated.

The ten commandments are not for all time.

They are only for people who HAVE NOT come to Christ. For people who don't believe in the New Covenant in Christ.

2 Corinthians 3:6-9
[FONT=&quot]6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

If the letter kills but the spirit gives life then to put yourself back under the 10 commandments after coming to Christ and receiving Life is to put yourself back under death.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.[/FONT]

 

[heavyese]

If we study Mathew 22: 36-40, it is clear that Jesus did not abolish the law and we still have to keep the 10 Commandments given by God Almighty. However the 613 laws given by Moses to the Isrealites is no longer necessary with the Coming of Son of God Jesus. As it is written in Heb 7: 12" For the Priesthood being changed there is made of necessity a change also of the law"- that is the laws of the levitical priesthood. Jesus as our High Priest has annulled those laws. We should study the entire Hebrews 7 for more understanding.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If we study Mathew 22: 36-40, it is clear that Jesus did not abolish the law and we still have to keep the 10 Commandments given by God Almighty. However the 613 laws given by Moses to the Isrealites is no longer necessary with the Coming of Son of God Jesus. As it is written in Heb 7: 12" For the Priesthood being changed there is made of necessity a change also of the law"- that is the laws of the levitical priesthood. Jesus as our High Priest has annulled those laws. We should study the entire Hebrews 7 for more understanding.

Matt 22: 36 - 40 is Jesus telling us HOW to obey the law. it is not saying the law is to be split up and turn apart so it is no longer the law.

If you follow jesus words (and are perfect at it) you will never break any command, be it the ten or the many many many others that’s is all through the word of God.

 

[Marcelo]

If we study Mathew 22: 36-40, it is clear that Jesus did not abolish the law and we still have to keep the 10 Commandments given by God Almighty.

The Lord Jesus, while on earth, preached obedience to the Law because it was still in force.

 

[Grandpa]

If we study Mathew 22: 36-40, it is clear that Jesus did not abolish the law and we still have to keep the 10 Commandments given by God Almighty. However the 613 laws given by Moses to the Isrealites is no longer necessary with the Coming of Son of God Jesus. As it is written in Heb 7: 12" For the Priesthood being changed there is made of necessity a change also of the law"- that is the laws of the levitical priesthood. Jesus as our High Priest has annulled those laws. We should study the entire Hebrews 7 for more understanding.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Looks like you get all or nothing. The Lord Jesus Christ said not one jot or tittle shall pass from the law UNTIL ALL IS FULFILLED.

All or nothing. You don't get to keep your favorite part and get rid of what is inconvenient.


If you have the spiritual sight to be able to see that the Lord Jesus Christ fulfilled some of the law then you can probably take Him at His Word and know that all is fulfilled.