The Bible is not the Word
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You seem to think that man putting God's word together is not designed and put together by the ONE who wills it to be so? It is not men you see but men that were moved by God to write His Words. Complied together by Him who knows all and can do all things...
2Ti 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
I love this, I love whoever said God will get him, I agree with 009 and for some reason God hasn't come after me
009 if you take away the bible from these folks then they have no God
to them Jesus is a character in a book, he died and rose, and they bank all they are on the fact that Jesus doesn't speak to people anymore. Its really quite sad.
By the way said it before and saying it again, the bible is not the Gospel, Matt Mark Luke, and John not the Gospel. Jesus is the Gospel. His death burial and ressurrection, and to me he is alive and well
009 if you take away the bible from these folks then they have no God
to them Jesus is a character in a book, he died and rose, and they bank all they are on the fact that Jesus doesn't speak to people anymore. Its really quite sad.
By the way said it before and saying it again, the bible is not the Gospel, Matt Mark Luke, and John not the Gospel. Jesus is the Gospel. His death burial and ressurrection, and to me he is alive and well
not sure i would agree that these state my "beliefs," but close enough, yes. They are my perceptions, and they are subject to change. So then, i am exposed! 
I'm kind of psyched to find a "holy" and "Scripture" connection for today lol, so i'd like to go read that some more.
and ty for your time here, i understand that this is a sensitive subject, and i might be perceived as attacking Scripture or something, when that is not my intent.
I'm kind of psyched to find a "holy" and "Scripture" connection for today lol, so i'd like to go read that some more.
and ty for your time here, i understand that this is a sensitive subject, and i might be perceived as attacking Scripture or something, when that is not my intent.
1. Starting a thread by asking people to provide proof of something, rather than starting off by clearly stating your position, and evidence for that position, seems like a confusing way to do things.
If you want to debate before clearly giving your own position,
this can't help but lead to confusion.
If the purpose is for people to gain clarity,
then please state your positions clearly, and then give clear evidence.
2. Can you please just clearly state your position on the Bible, so we can clearly understand, so we can have a clear discussion.
* Please tell us clearly what you believe the bible IS, and what you believe it IS NOT.
Please make your positions clear so we can clearly understand, and so we can have a clear discussion.
Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
1Jn 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Isa 52:5 Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.
Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.
Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Jesus is God manifest in flesh,which God reconciled the world unto Himself in the person of Jesus Christ,God and man in harmony,and God manifest in flesh means God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God for God cannot be separated,and the man Christ Jesus the personal human body of God,which He laid down His life for us,and purchased the Church with His own blood.
The word of God,the Bible,is God revealing Himself by words written down.
The Word of God is God personally revealing Himself to mankind,and He is God with us.
The Word of God is Jesus,God manifest in the flesh.The word of God is the Bible.
Rom 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
God calls things that have not happened yet,as though they already happened,for if it is a plan of God to happen in the future it is the same as if it happened in the beginning,for it will surely come to pass with no hindrances,like the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world,and the prophets blood shed from the foundation of the world,even though they were future events.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the plan of God to come in the future in flesh,and that plan was with God before He laid down the foundation of the world,and that plan was God manifest in the flesh.
Joh 1:2 That plan was already with God before He laid down the foundation of the world.
Joh 1:3 All things were created with the plan of God to come in the future in flesh,and without that plan of God coming in the future in flesh,God would of not created anything that He created,for creation is only successful if Jesus is the Savior.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
God was manifest in flesh,and dwelt among us,Jesus Christ.
Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
No person can see God unless He shows a visible manifestation of Himself,which He did when He appeared as Jesus Christ.
The Word of God is Jesus.The word of God is the Bible.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
1Jn 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Isa 52:5 Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.
Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.
Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Jesus is God manifest in flesh,which God reconciled the world unto Himself in the person of Jesus Christ,God and man in harmony,and God manifest in flesh means God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God for God cannot be separated,and the man Christ Jesus the personal human body of God,which He laid down His life for us,and purchased the Church with His own blood.
The word of God,the Bible,is God revealing Himself by words written down.
The Word of God is God personally revealing Himself to mankind,and He is God with us.
The Word of God is Jesus,God manifest in the flesh.The word of God is the Bible.
Rom 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
God calls things that have not happened yet,as though they already happened,for if it is a plan of God to happen in the future it is the same as if it happened in the beginning,for it will surely come to pass with no hindrances,like the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world,and the prophets blood shed from the foundation of the world,even though they were future events.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the plan of God to come in the future in flesh,and that plan was with God before He laid down the foundation of the world,and that plan was God manifest in the flesh.
Joh 1:2 That plan was already with God before He laid down the foundation of the world.
Joh 1:3 All things were created with the plan of God to come in the future in flesh,and without that plan of God coming in the future in flesh,God would of not created anything that He created,for creation is only successful if Jesus is the Savior.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
God was manifest in flesh,and dwelt among us,Jesus Christ.
Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
No person can see God unless He shows a visible manifestation of Himself,which He did when He appeared as Jesus Christ.
The Word of God is Jesus.The word of God is the Bible.
I thought I would jump in with Romans 3:31,
but seeing that he is banned I guess we'll never know
whether the scripture is Law or whether it is Truth.
"but Scripture is Law, not truth,"
but seeing that he is banned I guess we'll never know
whether the scripture is Law or whether it is Truth.
"but Scripture is Law, not truth,"
"My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear
wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name. The law of truth was in
his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and
equity, and did turn many away from iniquity."
Interesting how people take 'Word' literally, rather than something that is alive. Some might say the words of the Bible are alive, but that is not the same, that is still taking Word literally. The Word is the breath of God, yes you could say that the words of the Bible are created by the breath of God (although through men experiencing the breath of God), but to experience the Word, you have to experience the Word. One could read a book about water, having never experienced it, they are never going to experience it through the book, they are only going to experience it when they find it. In this sense, I see the Bible as a guide to find the water.
Some people never experience the Word, they just imagine they do. There is no limit to our imagination, we can imagine we are this or that, even that we are saved, and maybe we are not, but our imagination makes it so. We can imagine we know better than the next, that we are more loved by God than the next, but this type of imagination is down to logical imagination, and righteousness (although actually self-righteousness). But there is a limit to our experience, and this has more to do with our own imagination, through God, rather than imagination out of words, because we lack imagination.
Can someone really not know God, or be touched by God, whether they are deaf dumb and blind, unless they have read the Bible? God is always there for us, especially as a child, before we could even read, before we grew a dysfunctional mind that imagines it is a more functional mind than a child's mind. Being an adult means we have a mind cluttered with junk, negative experiences, fears, and it is so easy to become lonely, and then personal about God, rather than being an expression of God.
An expression of Love.
Because that is what changes, observe your anti to my comment for example. Where does that anti come from? Is that the breath of God? Far from it. That is you, your self, disconnected from God, however much you imagine you are connected to God. Those who are connected to God have no trouble expressing love for others. Those who only imagine they are expressing God and are connected to God, tend to always find people they can dismantle. It's because it is themselves they need to dismantle, and yet, in denial of that, they express their own deconstructive opinions, rather than being an expression of God.
Some people never experience the Word, they just imagine they do. There is no limit to our imagination, we can imagine we are this or that, even that we are saved, and maybe we are not, but our imagination makes it so. We can imagine we know better than the next, that we are more loved by God than the next, but this type of imagination is down to logical imagination, and righteousness (although actually self-righteousness). But there is a limit to our experience, and this has more to do with our own imagination, through God, rather than imagination out of words, because we lack imagination.
Can someone really not know God, or be touched by God, whether they are deaf dumb and blind, unless they have read the Bible? God is always there for us, especially as a child, before we could even read, before we grew a dysfunctional mind that imagines it is a more functional mind than a child's mind. Being an adult means we have a mind cluttered with junk, negative experiences, fears, and it is so easy to become lonely, and then personal about God, rather than being an expression of God.
An expression of Love.
Because that is what changes, observe your anti to my comment for example. Where does that anti come from? Is that the breath of God? Far from it. That is you, your self, disconnected from God, however much you imagine you are connected to God. Those who are connected to God have no trouble expressing love for others. Those who only imagine they are expressing God and are connected to God, tend to always find people they can dismantle. It's because it is themselves they need to dismantle, and yet, in denial of that, they express their own deconstructive opinions, rather than being an expression of God.
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 119:142-145, “Your righteousness is righteousness forever, And Your Torah is truth. Distress and anguish have found me; Your commands are my delight. The righteousness of Your witnesses is forever; Make me understand, that I might live. I have called with all my heart; Answer me, O [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]! I observe Your Laws.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 119:151-152, “You are near, O [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], And all Your commands are truth. Of old I have known Your witnesses, That You have founded them forever.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalms 119:158-160, “I saw traitors and was grieved, Because they did not guard Your word. See how I have loved Your orders, [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], revive me according to Your loving-commitment. The sum of Your word is truth, And all Your righteous right-rulings are forever.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 119:151-152, “You are near, O [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], And all Your commands are truth. Of old I have known Your witnesses, That You have founded them forever.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalms 119:158-160, “I saw traitors and was grieved, Because they did not guard Your word. See how I have loved Your orders, [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], revive me according to Your loving-commitment. The sum of Your word is truth, And all Your righteous right-rulings are forever.”[/FONT]
Whois yo MOMMA?
Thy Father and thy Mother shall be glad, and the woman that bare thee shall rejoice.
Proverbs 25:25
Thy Father and thy Mother shall be glad, and the woman that bare thee shall rejoice.
Proverbs 25:25
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