Are you saved if you are not obedient?
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No argument here, Whoever is not born again can noty enter. There will be many turned away, Even many who think they will be let in. Which is why jesus warns us, Even the works we think are mighty and will be accepted by God (casating out demons, healing etc) is not enough, Jesus may say depart for I NEVER KNEW YOU.
who does God know? Those who are born again. AMEN SIS.
who does God know? Those who are born again. AMEN SIS.
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Thanks for your view.
I will stick to what Jesus said. (That whihc is born of flesh is flesh, that which is born of spirit is spirit)
this statement answers what he meant about water. Twist it however you want. Thats on you.
You trust in whoever baptised you in WATER
I will continue to trust in CHRIST.
I will stick to what Jesus said. (That whihc is born of flesh is flesh, that which is born of spirit is spirit)
this statement answers what he meant about water. Twist it however you want. Thats on you.
You trust in whoever baptised you in WATER
I will continue to trust in CHRIST.
I haven't found much agreement with you, but this I do. However, until I understood that Jews call baptism of water being born again, I thought it was natural birth too.
Just is one one of those bits that's missing from our understanding what Jews believe.
My ipad latched onto your post EG, and included it. Wasn't my doing. Just a glitch again.
Just is one one of those bits that's missing from our understanding what Jews believe.
My ipad latched onto your post EG, and included it. Wasn't my doing. Just a glitch again.
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John the baptist preached repentance and water baptism EG. It was nothing new to the Jews. I didn't know about this until I read about the sect of the Nazarenes. They did daily baptism.
And I can't think of a scripture offhand that says Paul called water baptism being born again. Paul spoke of not baptizing, that I do remember.
glitch again. Logging off and on again.
And I can't think of a scripture offhand that says Paul called water baptism being born again. Paul spoke of not baptizing, that I do remember.
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Paul did say he was not sent to baptize and Yahshua did say He sent His 12+ to baptize, even the gentiles:
1 Corinthians 1:17, "For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not in wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made void."
Matthew 28:19, "Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the gentiles, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."
1 Corinthians 1:17, "For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not in wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made void."
Matthew 28:19, "Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the gentiles, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."
[h=1]Mikvah (Baptism): The Connection Between Immersion, Conversion and Being Born Again[/h]
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The waters of the Jordan River are often used as a mikvah for the Biblical act of immersion.
Many Christians think that baptism originated with Yeshua’s (Jesus’) cousin Yochanan (John), who is known in the Bible as “John the Baptist.”
But baptism is a Biblical ritual that has been practiced regularly by all of Israel since the days of Moses.
The word baptism comes from the Greek word baptizó, which primarily means a thorough change of condition accomplished through immersion. It is written in Bibles to take the place of the Hebrew word tevilah (to totally immerse).
This ritual immersion in water is carried out in a mikvah, which is a Hebrew word meaning gathering of waters.
An Israeli mikvah (immersion site for ritual cleansing) for men.
For the observant Jew, the mikvah personifies both the womb and the grave and consequently, rebirth. It is regarded as a pure, unadulterated avenue of connection with God; and for that reason, it is a place where hope is reawakened and strengthened.
The mikvah, therefore, plays an important role from preparation for marriage and Yom Kippur to the purification of menstruant women.
Tevilah (full-body immersion) marks a change of status from being tamay to tahor—ritually unclean (impure or unfit for the presence of God) to ritually clean.This is necessary because anytime a person is to come into the presence of God, they must come tahor (pure).
Entering a mikvah, therefore, is commanded in Scripture for a number of common life events.
For example, it was forbidden to come into the presence of God in the Temple without first passing through a mikvah (today, Chassidic men, or ultra-Orthodox Jews, enter the mikvah before Shabbat, and some even go every day of the week before morning prayers).
Scripture instructs that anyone who becomes ritually unclean through contact with a dead or diseased person needs to be immersed in water before re-entering the Temple.
Before entering the Temple, Jewish men immersed themselves in a mikvah, such as this one from the Second Temple period.
A mikvah was also to take place after a leper had been declared healed by the priest.
“The Lord said to Moses, ‘These are the regulations for the diseased person at the time of his ceremonial cleansing… He must wash his clothes and bathe himself with water and he will be clean.’” (Leviticus 14: 1–4, 7, 9)
As well, a woman who completes her menstrual cycle needs to be immersed before resuming sexual relations with her husband. (Leviticus 15:19–24)
This commandment is still observed today. The rabbis explain that this period of abstinence, called the niddah, teaches husbands and wives the need for discipline, respect, and moderation.
In the most traditional Jewish mikvah, a woman must thoroughly wash her entire body, even down to her finger and toenails before entering the mikvah.
A Jewish bride and groom stroll together after the wedding ceremony.
Today one of the most widely practiced uses of the mikvah is in the pre-wedding preparation of the bride and groom. It’s a way of becoming ritually pure before the marriage.
There is no better way to enter a marriage than to start off being pure!
The bride is immersed as close to the wedding as possible, even on the
afternoon before the ceremony.
It’s customary for Chassidic men to go to the mikvah before their wedding as well, and today many observant Jews have also taken on this custom.
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The waters of the Jordan River are often used as a mikvah for the Biblical act of immersion.
Many Christians think that baptism originated with Yeshua’s (Jesus’) cousin Yochanan (John), who is known in the Bible as “John the Baptist.”
But baptism is a Biblical ritual that has been practiced regularly by all of Israel since the days of Moses.
The word baptism comes from the Greek word baptizó, which primarily means a thorough change of condition accomplished through immersion. It is written in Bibles to take the place of the Hebrew word tevilah (to totally immerse).
This ritual immersion in water is carried out in a mikvah, which is a Hebrew word meaning gathering of waters.
An Israeli mikvah (immersion site for ritual cleansing) for men.
For the observant Jew, the mikvah personifies both the womb and the grave and consequently, rebirth. It is regarded as a pure, unadulterated avenue of connection with God; and for that reason, it is a place where hope is reawakened and strengthened.
The mikvah, therefore, plays an important role from preparation for marriage and Yom Kippur to the purification of menstruant women.
Tevilah (full-body immersion) marks a change of status from being tamay to tahor—ritually unclean (impure or unfit for the presence of God) to ritually clean.This is necessary because anytime a person is to come into the presence of God, they must come tahor (pure).
Entering a mikvah, therefore, is commanded in Scripture for a number of common life events.
For example, it was forbidden to come into the presence of God in the Temple without first passing through a mikvah (today, Chassidic men, or ultra-Orthodox Jews, enter the mikvah before Shabbat, and some even go every day of the week before morning prayers).
Scripture instructs that anyone who becomes ritually unclean through contact with a dead or diseased person needs to be immersed in water before re-entering the Temple.
Before entering the Temple, Jewish men immersed themselves in a mikvah, such as this one from the Second Temple period.
A mikvah was also to take place after a leper had been declared healed by the priest.
“The Lord said to Moses, ‘These are the regulations for the diseased person at the time of his ceremonial cleansing… He must wash his clothes and bathe himself with water and he will be clean.’” (Leviticus 14: 1–4, 7, 9)
As well, a woman who completes her menstrual cycle needs to be immersed before resuming sexual relations with her husband. (Leviticus 15:19–24)
This commandment is still observed today. The rabbis explain that this period of abstinence, called the niddah, teaches husbands and wives the need for discipline, respect, and moderation.
In the most traditional Jewish mikvah, a woman must thoroughly wash her entire body, even down to her finger and toenails before entering the mikvah.
A Jewish bride and groom stroll together after the wedding ceremony.
Today one of the most widely practiced uses of the mikvah is in the pre-wedding preparation of the bride and groom. It’s a way of becoming ritually pure before the marriage.
There is no better way to enter a marriage than to start off being pure!
The bride is immersed as close to the wedding as possible, even on the
afternoon before the ceremony.
It’s customary for Chassidic men to go to the mikvah before their wedding as well, and today many observant Jews have also taken on this custom.