What was the "different gospel" in Galatians 1:6?l

[Marcelo]

LoveGodForever said: Hello Marcelo, please do not quote me and add things into my posts that I did not say (highlighter in RED above; see original post # 8 linked)

I inserted parentheses into your text in a attempt to explain your words. Sorry about that!

Circumcision is included in the laws of Moses written in the Book of Moses originally given to Abraham and passed down to the Children of Israel. It is one of the many Shadows pointing to the New Covenant of God's Law (10 commandments) written on the heart. (Romans 2:27-29; Hebrews 8:10-12; 1 Cor 7:19).

The Mosaic laws for remission of SIN are NOT God's Law (10 commandments) which gives the knowledge of Good and Evil

So, you think Christians are supposed to keep the Sabbath, but not the whole law. Right?

 

[dcontroversal]

I thought faith without works was dead? and works was the sign of true faith?

James 2:14-26, “14 My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him. 15, "And if a brother or sister is naked and in need of daily food, 16, "but one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” but you do not give them the bodily needs, what use is it? 17, "So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead. 18, "But someone might say, “You have belief, and I have works.” Show me your belief without your works, and I shall show you my belief by my works. 19, "You believe that Yah is one. You do well. The demons also believe – and shudder! 20, "But do you wish to know, O empty man, that the belief without the works is dead? 21, "Was not Aḇraham our father declared right by works when he offered Yitsḥaq his son on the slaughter-place? 22, "Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected? 23, "And the Scripture was filled which says, “Aḇraham believed Yah, and it was reckoned to him for righteousness.” And He called him, “he who loves Yah. 24, "You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone. 25, "In the same way, was not Raḥaḇ the whore also declared right by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26, “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so also the belief is dead without the works.”

I wonder if James (Yahshua/Jesus) brother wrote his letter in response to Galatians?

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it seems obvious you have no understanding of the words "for" and "context"!

 

[LoveGodForever]

I inserted parentheses into your text in a attempt to explain your words. Sorry about that!
So, you think Christians are supposed to keep the Sabbath, but not the whole law. Right?

Hello Marcelo,

What do you mean by "whole law"? What is the Old Covenant to you mean? What does the new Covenant to you mean? What is sin? Only God's Word is true. Look forward to discussing it with you.

 

[Marcelo]

Hello Marcelo,

What do you mean by "whole law"? What is the Old Covenant to you mean? What does the new Covenant to you mean? What is sin? Only God's Word is true. Look forward to discussing it with you.

Hello LGForever,

By "whole law" I mean the 613 mitzvot. My question is: how many of the 613 mitzvot do you keep? The New Covenant is the promise made by God that He will forgive our sins through the sacrifice of Jesus and call us His children if we turn our hearts toward Him. Sin means "missing the target" -- everything we do that is contrary to God's will is sin.

 

[lightbearer]

The problem begins when Judaizers come and say that His commands for us are the same that were said to Jews by Moses.

LAW given by Moses? The LAW was given by GOD through Moses.

But as for the Gospel. Deut 30:6, 11 -14 state.

And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Who will circumcise our hearts to Love the Lord?

GOD!

When?

If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.

For this commandment which I command thee this day,

What commandment?

This one, "If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law"

This is that which is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

The LORD circumcising the Heart. The Gospel of Grace, the Word, his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law are now as was then offered through Christ to be in our hearts through Christ.
(Deu 30:6, 10-14 KJV)

Herein is my Father glorified, that we bear much fruit through this Sanctification; the circumcision of our hearts. So Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ, gracing us with HIS presence, the Word, all that GOD would have us be. HIS Commandments down from above) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ, the Word, all that GOD would have us be. HIS Commandments again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ; the Word, the commandments manifested in the flesh, Our flesh) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, in thy heart, and in they hand: that we may do it; that is, the word of faith, which we preach. And that is the Gospel, the Kingdom of GOD within you. For GOD hath said, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them." And HE shall be our GOD and we shall be HIS people. For it is GOD that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure, Christ (the Word, His Commandments, GOD's will ) in you the hope of Glory

(Rom 10:6-8)

 

[LoveGodForever]

Hello LGForever,

By "whole law" I mean the 613 mitzvot. My question is: how many of the 613 mitzvot do you keep? The New Covenant is the promise made by God that He will forgive our sins through the sacrifice of Jesus and call us His children if we turn our hearts toward Him. Sin means "missing the target" -- everything we do that is contrary to God's will is sin.

Where does it say what you have posted in God's Word and how many commandments are in God's 10 commandments? (hint Exodus 34:28; Deut 4:13)

 

[Marcelo]

Where does it say what you have posted in God's Word and how many commandments are in God's 10 commandments? (hint Exodus 34:28; Deut 4:13)

The Bible doesn't say there are 613 mitzvot and this is where you're going, right?

You keep all 10 commandments and I keep nine at most.

So, you mean the "different gospel" in Galatians 1:6 was the original gospel minus Sabbath keeping, right?

 

[LoveGodForever]

The Bible doesn't say there are 613 mitzvot and this is where you're going, right?

You keep all 10 commandments and I keep nine at most.

So, you mean the "different gospel" in Galatians 1:6 was the original gospel minus Sabbath keeping, right?

James 2
8, If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

The purpose of the God's Law is to give us a knowledge of Good and Evil or SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS. If we break one we stand before God guilty of breaking all of them. Their purpose is to lead us to the Savior. No LAW no salvation because you cannot know SIN and the SIN bearer

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten ( Exodus 20:8-11 ) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God ask s us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

 

[Ahwatukee]

Galatians chapter 1

6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—7 which is really no gospel at all.


If the "different gospel" was not grace + the law of Moses, what was it then?

Greetings Marcelo,

The answer to your question is found right in the letter to the Galatians, for the majority of the book is in reference to grace vs. the works of the law:

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You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?Have you experienced so much in vain—if it really was in vain? So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?

 

[Marcelo]

James 2

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten ( Exodus 20:8-11 ) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God ask s us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Ok, so you confirm that the "different gospel" in Gal. 1:6 was the original gospel, preached to them by Paul, minus Sabbath keeping.

Now let's see if your interpretation makes sense in the context:

6I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.

Gospel means "good news" and Sabbath keeping is not good news -- it's OLD news -- and Paul wouldn't call failure to keep the Sabbath a perversion of the gospel of Christ.

If the "different gospel" were THE ORIGINAL GOSPEL minus SABBATH KEEPING Paul could have simply written something like: Brethren, you've already received the gospel of Christ, but don't forget to keep the Sabbath because it's God's law.

It is evident that the "different gospel" was not simply failure to keep the Sabbath because Paul said: ... deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ. Paul meant they were abandoning GRACE.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Ok, so you confirm that the "different gospel" in Gal. 1:6 was the original gospel, preached to them by Paul, minus Sabbath keeping.
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Now Marcelo,

Did I really say that or was that you trying to say I said that? Let's be honest now please.

That is the same as you posting comments in my quote that I did not say.

What I said and posted is what I said nothing more and nothing less.

As it is written; Let your yes be yes and your no be no anything more is of the devil.

 

[Marcelo]

Now Marcelo,

Did I really say that or was that you trying to say I said that? Let's be honest now please.

You don't answer my questions, so I have to guess what's in your mind. Why do you think I am not honest?

That is the same as you posting comments in my quote that I did not say.

I have already apologized for that.

What I said and posted is what I said nothing more and nothing less.

You didn't answer my questions.

As it is written; Let your yes be yes and your no be no anything more is of the devil

Again, you don't answer my questions.

Do you observe all the mitzvot? YES or NO?

Do you think Christians are supposed to keep the Sabbath, but not the other items of the law? YES or NO?

Do you think the "different gospel" in GAL 1:6 was the original gospel minus Sabbath keeping? Yes or NO?

 

[mailmandan]

Ok, so you confirm that the "different gospel" in Gal. 1:6 was the original gospel, preached to them by Paul, minus Sabbath keeping.

Now let's see if your interpretation makes sense in the context:

6I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.

Gospel means "good news" and Sabbath keeping is not good news -- it's OLD news -- and Paul wouldn't call failure to keep the Sabbath a perversion of the gospel of Christ.

If the "different gospel" were THE ORIGINAL GOSPEL minus SABBATH KEEPING Paul could have simply written something like: Brethren, you've already received the gospel of Christ, but don't forget to keep the Sabbath because it's God's law.

It is evident that the "different gospel" was not simply failure to keep the Sabbath because Paul said: ... deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ. Paul meant they were abandoning GRACE.

Good post! Those who are mixed up in false religions and cults play the same game in salvation as every other false movement of Christendom. They profess to teach that salvation is by grace through faith, but then redefine this in a way that is contrary to New Testament doctrine. Even though they may even deny this, they teach that salvation is by grace plus law, faith plus works. Their doctrine of salvation is a subtle mixture of law and grace that is a perversion of the gospel.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I thought faith without works was dead? and works was the sign of true faith?

James 2:14-26, “14 My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him. 15, "And if a brother or sister is naked and in need of daily food, 16, "but one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” but you do not give them the bodily needs, what use is it? 17, "So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead. 18, "But someone might say, “You have belief, and I have works.” Show me your belief without your works, and I shall show you my belief by my works. 19, "You believe that Yah is one. You do well. The demons also believe – and shudder! 20, "But do you wish to know, O empty man, that the belief without the works is dead? 21, "Was not Aḇraham our father declared right by works when he offered Yitsḥaq his son on the slaughter-place? 22, "Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected? 23, "And the Scripture was filled which says, “Aḇraham believed Yah, and it was reckoned to him for righteousness.” And He called him, “he who loves Yah. 24, "You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone. 25, "In the same way, was not Raḥaḇ the whore also declared right by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26, “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so also the belief is dead without the works.”

I wonder if James (Yahshua/Jesus) brother wrote his letter in response to Galatians?

Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the Commands of יהוה and the Belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”


Romans 2:12, “For as many as have sinned without the Law, will also perish without the Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law, will be judged by the Law.”

So you think James was contradicting paul and trying to correct an error?

the people or problem James was responding to vs the problem paul was responding to were different, that is why they seem to contradict each other, when they really are not.

Paul was speaking against those trying to add law to grace. He told them flat out. If your going to add one work of the law (in this case circumcision) your indebted to obey them all (the law required perfection)

James spoke to hearers of the word but were not doers. He was not responding to galations. He was responding to a licentious lifestyle of people who thought they could say a sinners prayer or whatever (laim to have faith) and they are saved no matter what, they can live their lives however they want. The people Paul spoke to did not have this issue, those people were trying to mix law and grace as a means to salvation. James made it clear. People who have REAL faith are not hearers only. They are doers. He told them to examine themselves. If YOUR claim to have faith, But you do not have the result of faith (works) them is your faiht real? No. Even demons believe, mental agreement never saved anyone.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I inserted parentheses into your text in a attempt to explain your words. Sorry about that!




So, you think Christians are supposed to keep the Sabbath, but not the whole law. Right?

I can not see what he says, but I find it amazing he thinks the ten commands does NOT (in his own words) Gods law which gives knowledge of good and evil.

Did I misunderstand him?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Good post! Those who are mixed up in false religions and cults play the same game in salvation as every other false movement of Christendom. They profess to teach that salvation is by grace through faith, but then redefine this in a way that is contrary to New Testament doctrine. Even though they may even deny this, they teach that salvation is by grace plus law, faith plus works. Their doctrine of salvation is a subtle mixture of law and grace that is a perversion of the gospel.

As paul, inspired by God said, “And if by grace it is no longer works. Otherwise grace is no longer grace”

This mixing of grace and works is astonishing, it is like mixing oil and water they do not mix.. And then to think we can give this “mixture” to God and expect him to recieve it as payment for sin and lest us into heaven, is even more amazing.

 

[Grandpa]

1 Corinthians 1:26-31
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.


“In Christ alone my hope is found;
He is my light, my strength, my song;
This cornerstone, this solid ground,
Firm through the fiercest drought and storm.
What heights of love, what depths of peace,
When fears are stilled, when strivings cease!
My comforter, my all in all—
Here in the love of Christ I stand.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

 

[gb9]

As paul, inspired by God said, “And if by grace it is no longer works. Otherwise grace is no longer grace”

This mixing of grace and works is astonishing, it is like mixing oil and water they do not mix.. And then to think we can give this “mixture” to God and expect him to recieve it as payment for sin and lest us into heaven, is even more amazing.

it , to me , is even more amazing that folks don't grasp what James said, if you keep all the commands, but stumble in one, you break them all. but yet, they harp on Sabbath , like that is a magic bullet that makes one Holy, but they refuse to see what James said........

 

[eternally-gratefull]

it , to me , is even more amazing that folks don't grasp what James said, if you keep all the commands, but stumble in one, you break them all. but yet, they harp on Sabbath , like that is a magic bullet that makes one Holy, but they refuse to see what James said........

Yeah, They can’t keep the first in the way God requires (every time we think of, or focus on self. We break the first, not to mention, the second grant command Jesus spoke of about loving our neighbor) yet they want to focus on either the great sins (murder adultry) or the sabbath.

Its modern day phariseeism at its finest. When these people start harping on sinners. They are excusing their own sin, by saying their sins do not matter, it is ok, because at least they do not murder or commit adultry, or they KEEP the sabbath (even though do they really? Even that is questionable)

Until they fall on their knees in true repentance, And call out on the name of the lord. I do not think they will ever understand, they will continue to excuse their own sin, judge others of their sin, and go on their prideful rants judging others, or basically praising God they are not like the sinner.

 

[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Just for the record, I have never claimed to be sinless and you EG and most others here know this, but it does not stop the accusation from resurfacing to give an attempt to "discredit"

Romans 6:15-23, “What then? Shall we sin because we are not under Torah but under unmerited mercy? Let it not be! Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves servants for obedience, you are servants of the one whom you obey, whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness? But thanks to [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]that you were servants of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of teaching to which you were entrusted. And having been set free from sin, you became servants of righteousness. I speak as a man, because of the weakness of your flesh. For even as you did present your members as servants of uncleanness, and of lawlessness resulting in lawlessness, so now present your members as servants of righteousness resulting in set-apartness. For when you were servants of sin, you were free from righteousness. What fruit, therefore, were you having then, over which you are now ashamed? For the end thereof is death. But now, having been set free from sin, and having become servants of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], you have your fruit resulting in set-apartness, and the end, everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death, but the favorable gift of Elohim is everlasting life in Messiah [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]our Master.”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]13 Did that which is righteous, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful.[/FONT]
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