The real Sabbath day

[posthuman]

HE has already set a Holy Day....He is not asking us !

yes

Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, again He appoints a certain day, “Today,” saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted,
“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”
(Hebrews 4:6-7)


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or maybe the scripture is only true 1 out of every 7 days? and 6 days out of 7, this is a lie?

 

[beta]

yes

Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, again He appoints a certain day, “Today,” saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted,
“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”
(Hebrews 4:6-7)


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or maybe the scripture is only true 1 out of every 7 days? and 6 days out of 7, this is a lie?

sorry don't get you...yes to what ? that God appointed His own Holy day or that He is asking us ?

 

[posthuman]

sorry don't get you...yes to what ? that God appointed His own Holy day or that He is asking us ?

did i post a scripture writing about the appointing of a day or did i post a scripture asking us a question?

 

[beta]

did i post a scripture writing about the appointing of a day or did i post a scripture asking us a question?

In Heb 4 God is still talking about the 7th day, not about appointing a new day. What you refer to is about 'today if you hear his voice'...that can refer to any day....it does not mean a new Holy day....it's one of Paul's 'hard to understand writings' and used by him to 'stream people into different groups ...the same as Rom 14 does and written thus purposely for a reason.

 

[humbledbygrace25]

Exodus 20. Who wrote the ten? Does He change? Our rest is in Christ. Notice "Take my yoke upon you, learn of me, for I am meek and lowly in heart and ye shall find rest unto your souls"

What are we to learn?

We ought to walk as He walked. (1 John 2:6)

He kept Sabbath. (Luke 4:16) We keep Sabbath.

He loved others. We love others. (John 15:12)

He gave His life for the world. (John 3:16) We give our lives for the world. (1 John 3:16)

He rose again, and someday by His grace so shall we! (2 Corinthians 4:14)

 

[Johnny_B]

Mark 12:28-34

“Then one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, perceiving that He had answered them well, asked Him, “Which is the first commandment of all?”

29 Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ This is the first commandment.31 And the second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

32 So the scribe said to Him, “Well said, Teacher. You have spoken the truth, for there is one God, and there is no other but He.33 And to love Him with all the heart, with all the understanding, with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love one’s neighbor as oneself, is more than all the whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.”

34 Now when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.”

But after that no one dared question Him.”

Here's my question, can someone break the Law of Sabbath keeping if they love the Lord God, with all thier heart, with all thier soul, with all thier mind, and with all thier strength?

It amazes me as to how petty this has become because people make it more then it is after the Lord Jesus speaks these words, "for there is one God, and there is no other but He. And to love Him with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength." And the second is as the first, "and to love one’s neighbor as oneself, is more than all the whole burnt offerings and sacrifices."

Or as Jesus proclaimed it all in one spoken account of Scripture and it is more than all of the Law and it's brunt offerings and it's sacrifices and here it is.

"for there is one God, and there is no other but He. And to love Him with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength. And the second is as the first, and to love one’s neighbor as oneself, is more than all the whole burnt offerings and sacrifices."

What an awesome blessing that our love for the Lord is better than all of the Law in it's sacrifice and burnt offerings and it is the love that is the awesome part of all this when we read I John 4:19 “We love Him because He first loved us.” We as mankind need to love Him with all that we are, but in His glorious grace He first loved us, so that we could love Him in all His glorious grace making the Scriptures alive in us Ephesians 1:3-6

“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.”

He calls us to love Him with all of our hearts, soul, mind, strength, love our neighbors as ourselves and He has supplied this love that He requires from us. What a gracious, holy and loving God that set requirements from us and supplies them for us and in us so that we can fulfill them, Hallelujah blessed be the Lord of the universe who is worthy to be praised with all our heart, mind, soul, strength that He has supplied to us His true children of God.

 

[unobtrusive]

Here's my question, can someone break the Law of Sabbath keeping if they love the Lord God, with all thier heart, with all thier soul, with all thier mind, and with all thier strength?

My heart, mind, and soul says no, we cannot. The Sabbath is to spend our time with Him, just like when creation was done. Adam spent time with Him, and He with Adam. It was the 7th day, not as we know it, but between the time that Adam was made until he and Eve fell from grace.

 

[Studyman]

yes

Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, again He appoints a certain day, “Today,” saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted,
“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”
(Hebrews 4:6-7)


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or maybe the scripture is only true 1 out of every 7 days? and 6 days out of 7, this is a lie?

Yes, "TODAY" if you hear His Voice, don't reject it and continue following ancient religious traditions created by sun worshippers.

"TODAY" if you hear His Voice, don't harden your heart as did the preachers of Christ's time who "taught for doctrines the Commandments of men".

 

[Studyman]

Exodus 20. Who wrote the ten? Does He change? Our rest is in Christ. Notice "Take my yoke upon you, learn of me, for I am meek and lowly in heart and ye shall find rest unto your souls"

What are we to learn?

We ought to walk as He walked. (1 John 2:6)

He kept Sabbath. (Luke 4:16) We keep Sabbath.

He loved others. We love others. (John 15:12)

He gave His life for the world. (John 3:16) We give our lives for the world. (1 John 3:16)

He rose again, and someday by His grace so shall we! (2 Corinthians 4:14)

"Take my Yoke", Jesus was quoting from Jeremiah 6:16.

16 Thus saith the LORD,(Jesus) Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

Great post

 

[Hizikyah]

"Take my Yoke", Jesus was quoting from Jeremiah 6:16.

16 Thus saith the LORD,(Jesus) Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

Great post

To expand on that:

Mat 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom YHWH wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"



Jeremiah 6:9-17, “Thus said יהוה of hosts, “Let them thoroughly glean as a vine the remnant of Yisra’yl; pass your hand again over the branches like a grape-gatherer. To whom shall I speak and give warning, so that they hear? See, their ear is uncircumcised, and they are unable to listen. See, the word of יהוה is a reproach to them, they do not delight in it. Therefore I am filled with the wrath of יהוה. I have become weary of containing it. Pour it out on the children outside, and on the company of young men together, for even husband and wife shall be taken, the aged and the very old. And their houses shall be turned over to others, fields and wives together. For I shall stretch out My hand against the inhabitants of the land,” declares יהוה, “For from the least of them even to the greatest of them, they are all greedy for gain. And from the prophet even to the priest, all act falsely. And they heal the breach of My people slightly, saying, ‘Peace, peace,’ when there is no peace. Were they ashamed when they had done abomination? No! They were not at all ashamed, nor did they know how to blush. Therefore they shall fall among those who fall. They shall stumble at the time I visit them,” said יהוה, “Thus said יהוה, “Stand in the ways and see, and ask for the old paths, where the good way is, and walk in it; and find rest for yourselves. But they said, ‘We do not walk in it.’ “And I raised up watchmen over you, and said, ‘Listen to a voice of the trumpet!’ But they said, ‘We do not listen.’

Why is this profitable today?


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 15:4-6, “For whatever was written before was written for our instruction, that through endurance and encouragement of the Scriptures we might have the expectation. And the Mighty One of endurance and encouragement give you to be of the same mind toward one another, according to Messiah [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], "that with one mind and one mouth, you might praise the YHWH and Father of our Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah."
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[Inquistor]

I have seen, in numerous threads, talk about the Sabbath day. It is a never ending debate concerning the "Ten Commandants." Are we totally missing the reality of "Sabbath," or are we so involved with tradition that we have absolutely no idea of what we are talking about concerning the Sabbath truth? What should we keep holy, tradition, or truth?

Can anyone tell me how to calculate the Sabbath day according to scripture without using the Roman calendar of Julius Caesar, and the Gregorian calender of a Catholic pope? What day is the scripture really referring to? The 4th commandment is not been made void. There is no scripture that says it has been made obsolete. There are still 10 commandments that are valid to this day, according to scripture.

If you do not know, don't bother contributing to this thread. Thank you.

You have the number wrong! There are 613 (SIX HUNDRED THIRTEEN) commandments!


https://www.alltheinternet.com/?q=613+laws+in+the+Old+Testament&ref=12192017100131&p=


https://www.alltheinternet.com/?q=no+one+can+keep+all+of+the+law&ref=12222017000659&p=

 

[Nehemiah6]

You have the number wrong! There are 613 (SIX HUNDRED THIRTEEN) commandments!

No. Only the Ten Commandments -- the moral and spiritual laws of God -- are effective at all times. And if you will take the time to study Acts 15, only four of those 613 (or whatever) commandments are still binding (which was even true at the time of Noah).

We are assuming that Ramban (Maimonides) counted all the commandments accurately came up with 613. Someone needs to verify and confirm that, but the Old Covenant has been rendered obsolete.

 

[Inquistor]

No. Only the Ten Commandments -- the moral and spiritual laws of God -- are effective at all times. And if you will take the time to study Acts 15, only four of those 613 (or whatever) commandments are still binding (which was even true at the time of Noah).

We are assuming that Ramban (Maimonides) counted all the commandments accurately came up with 613. Someone needs to verify and confirm that, but the Old Covenant has been rendered obsolete.

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Please cite any scripture(s) that make it perfectly CLEAR that there are only 10 commandments, and WHICH 10 are still in effect, and WHICH 603 commandments NO LONGER APPLY, and WHY they no longer apply!

 

[Inquistor]

Please cite any scripture(s) that make it perfectly CLEAR that there are only 10 commandments, and WHICH 10 are still in effect, and WHICH 603 commandments NO LONGER APPLY, and WHY they no longer apply!

"For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”

 

[PS]

I have seen, in numerous threads, talk about the Sabbath day. It is a never ending debate concerning the "Ten Commandants." Are we totally missing the reality of "Sabbath," or are we so involved with tradition that we have absolutely no idea of what we are talking about concerning the Sabbath truth? What should we keep holy, tradition, or truth?

Can anyone tell me how to calculate the Sabbath day according to scripture without using the Roman calendar of Julius Caesar, and the Gregorian calender of a Catholic pope? What day is the scripture really referring to? The 4th commandment is not been made void. There is no scripture that says it has been made obsolete. There are still 10 commandments that are valid to this day, according to scripture.

If you do not know, don't bother contributing to this thread. Thank you.

The heavens and the earth were not made in 144 hours. The word day in English is yom in Hebrew and it means a period of time which can be anything from or 24 hours to an age and even perpetually.

And GodH430 calledH7121 the lightH216 Day,H3117 and the darknessH2822 he calledH7121 Night.H3915 And the eveningH6153 and the morningH1242 wereH1961 the firstH259 day.H3117 (Gen 1:5 KJV+)

H3117
יוֹם
yôm
yome
From an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literally (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverbially): - age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever (-lasting, -more), X full, life, as (so) long as (. . . live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, + remaineth, X required, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year (-ly), + younger.

 

[Inquistor]

No. Only the Ten Commandments -- the moral and spiritual laws of God -- are effective at all times. And if you will take the time to study Acts 15, only four of those 613 (or whatever) commandments are still binding (which was even true at the time of Noah).

We are assuming that Ramban (Maimonides) counted all the commandments accurately came up with 613. Someone needs to verify and confirm that, but the Old Covenant has been rendered obsolete.


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Galatians 3:11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is ...
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10All who rely on works of the Law are under a curse. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11And it is clear that no one is justified before God by the Law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.” 12The Law, however, is not based on faith; on the ...

 

[Nehemiah6]

Galatians 3:11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is ...
biblehub.com/galatians/3-11.htm▼
10All who rely on works of the Law are under a curse. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11And it is clear that no one is justified before God by the Law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.” 12The Law, however, is not based on faith; on the ...

That is not even the item under discussion. You posted 613 commandments against the Ten Commandment and were reminded that while the Ten Commandments are still valid under the Law of Christ, the rest of the Old Covenant is not. As to how a person is justified is a totally different topic.

 

[Inquistor]

That is not even the item under discussion. You posted 613 commandments against the Ten Commandment and were reminded that while the Ten Commandments are still valid under the Law of Christ, the rest of the Old Covenant is not. As to how a person is justified is a totally different topic.

Are you Jewish? If not, do you "Keep Holy the Sabbath?" Do you or anyone affiliated with your household do any WORK on the Sabbath, which would NOT be keeping the Sabbath holy?

 

[posthuman]

In Heb 4 God is still talking about the 7th day, not about appointing a new day. What you refer to is about 'today if you hear his voice'...that can refer to any day....it does not mean a new Holy day....it's one of Paul's 'hard to understand writings' and used by him to 'stream people into different groups ...the same as Rom 14 does and written thus purposely for a reason.

chapter 4 there is talking about entering God's rest - the dialogue starts with the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day, and exposes it immediately as a shadow, saying they did not enter His rest, and that Joshua did not give them rest: therefore the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day was not a shadow of entering Canaan, but of something greater.

is Psalm 95 about the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day? because Hebrews 4 is about the same thing Psalm 95 is -

For He is our God,
And we are the people of His pasture and the sheep of His hand.
Today, if you would hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts, as at Meribah,
As in the day of Massah in the wilderness,
When your fathers tested Me,
They tried Me, though they had seen My work.
For forty years I loathed that generation,
And said they are a people who err in their heart,
And they do not know My ways.
Therefore I swore in My anger,
Truly they shall not enter into My rest.
(Psalm 95:7-11) ​

to enter His rest.
the author of Hebrews quotes this, and teaches us explicitly that by this the LORD has appointed another day, calling it "today"
i personally believe you can read Hebrews 4 every day of the week and it remains true.
do you think you can only read this chapter on saturdays, otherwise it is lying? because it says without question that "today" is appointed by Him ((v. 7)). what do you do on a tuesday, when you read this? do you tell yourself, by "today" surely he means four days from now??

from this argument, there is therefore a rest that remains for the people of God: and the scripture says expressly, we who have believed do enter that rest ((v. 3)), and that we who enter that rest have ceased from our own works ((v. 10)). He is showing the reality which a right understanding of the shadow should reveal, if we would hear it.

Concerning Him we have much to say, and it is hard to explain,
since you have become dull of hearing.
(Hebrews 5:11)

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who is it that he says is become dull of hearing? the one who must be taught again the first principles of Salvation: and this is an elementary principle: in Him you have died, so that you are not under Law, but grace; a free gift, not the wages of works, so that all boasting is destroyed and that He Himself is all in all.

 

[posthuman]

That is not even the item under discussion. You posted 613 commandments against the Ten Commandment and were reminded that while the Ten Commandments are still valid under the Law of Christ, the rest of the Old Covenant is not. As to how a person is justified is a totally different topic.

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