The 66 Books...

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mcubed

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Are all 66 Books of the Bible the infallible, inerrant Word of G-d?

If not why do you believe in Messiah?
 
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jaybird88

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the original books were.
 

mcubed

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the original books were.

Great point for today... The Bible? Or are the people of the world today deceived so we can no longer trust it... so no reason to believe in Messiah.... Maybe G-d failed at watching over His Word? Are the 66 Books now corrupt?
 

Waggles

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In the original languages that they are written in, YES
Sealed by God against all forgeries and interpolations.
Why 66 books?
Because human beings (male and female) were created on the
sixth day - 6 hence 66 books which are for us to learn of God
and come unto salvation.

God is the great mathematician and has sealed his perfect word
with arithmetic patterns that establishes the truth and integrity
of what was written - every word, every verse: down to the tense
and vowels and consonants.

Gematria to Hebrew scholars and Bible Numerics to Christian scholars
Look up and read works by Ivan Panin and John Bullinger.
 

Waggles

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God is A Mathematician

By Keith Newman
The authenticity of the Holy Bible has been attacked at regular intervals by atheists and theologians alike but none have explained away the mathematical seal beneath its surface.

It would seem the divine hand has moved to prevent counterfeiting in the pages of the Bible in a similar manner to the line that runs through paper money. Bible numerics appears to be God's watermark of authenticity.

Vital research on this numeric seal was completed by a native of the world's most reknowned atheistic nation, Russia. Ivan Panin was born in Russia on December 12, 1855. As a young man he was an active nihilist and participated in plots against the Czar and his government. He was a mathematical genius who died a Harvard scholar and a citizen of the United States in 1942.

Panin was exiled from Russia. And after spending a number of years studying in Germany, he went to the United States where he became an outstanding lecturer on literary criticism. Panin was known as a firm agnostic—so well known that when he discarded his agnosticism and accepted the Christian faith, the newspapers carried headlines telling of his conversion.

It was in 1890 that Panin made the discovery of the mathematical structure underlining the vocabulary of the Greek New Testament. He was casually reading the first verse of the gospel of John in the Greek: "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with the God and the Word was God. . ."

https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/panin2.htm
 
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jaybird88

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Great point for today... The Bible? Or are the people of the world today deceived so we can no longer trust it... so no reason to believe in Messiah.... Maybe G-d failed at watching over His Word? Are the 66 Books now corrupt?
this is gonna sound crazy but IMO we put way to much into whats scripture and whats not. Jesus teaches ask, seek, knock and the Father will lead you right where you need to be. He doesnt mention a specific set of scriptures needed to do this. i think one could go out in the woods, no bible, pray, fast, meditate, and Yeshua will be right there with you.
 

Nehemiah6

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Are all 66 Books of the Bible the infallible, inerrant Word of G-d?
Had the English translators followed the Hebrew arrangement of books in the Old Testament (24 books), there would be only 51 books, and they all would be inspired Scriptures.
 

mcubed

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So if we only had Mat. and Luke 2 Books that is enough and G-d was wrong in Writing the other 64 Books because those two Books alone you get G-d and all of Him? OK!?!

I think something is wrong with you.
 

mcubed

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this is gonna sound crazy but IMO we put way to much into whats scripture and whats not. Jesus teaches ask, seek, knock and the Father will lead you right where you need to be. He doesnt mention a specific set of scriptures needed to do this. i think one could go out in the woods, no bible, pray, fast, meditate, and Yeshua will be right there with you.
So if we only had Mat. and Luke 2 Books that is enough and G-d was wrong in Writing the other 64 Books because those two Books alone you get G-d and all of Him? OK!?!

I think something is wrong with you. I'm your Huckleberry... Lets go to the woods....
 

mcubed

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This is a very interesting topic... We know were the line is drawn in the sand...
 
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Waggles

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this is gonna sound crazy but IMO we put way to much into whats scripture and whats not. Jesus teaches ask, seek, knock and the Father will lead you right where you need to be. He doesnt mention a specific set of scriptures needed to do this. i think one could go out in the woods, no bible, pray, fast, meditate, and Yeshua will be right there with you.
That is exactly why there are so many weird and whacko cults and sects
in the U.S.A. and the world.
People don't read their Bibles for themselves and so are deceived by false
prophets and teachers who lead them down the garden path to suicide.
Not all revelations are from God.

13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves
into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the
ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
2Corinthians 11:

But [Jesus] answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone,
but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.
Matthew 4:
 
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jaybird88

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So if we only had Mat. and Luke 2 Books that is enough and G-d was wrong in Writing the other 64 Books because those two Books alone you get G-d and all of Him? OK!?!

I think something is wrong with you. I'm your Huckleberry... Lets go to the woods....
if you had zero books would the Most High still exist?
 
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jaybird88

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That is exactly why there are so many weird and whacko cults and sects
in the U.S.A. and the world.
People don't read their Bibles for themselves and so are deceived by false
prophets and teachers who lead them down the garden path to suicide.
Not all revelations are from God.

13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves
into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the
ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
2Corinthians 11:

But [Jesus] answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone,
but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.
Matthew 4:
so when Jesus taught ask, seek, knock, this teaching only works within the perimeters of council approved books?

i actually believe this teaching of Jesus and i dont worry myself over what some wacko cult on the other side of the world believes, what difference is that to me?
 
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Stranger36147

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It's interesting that certain denominations of Christianity have more than 66 books. In the Catholic canon, there are 73 books in all. In the Orthodox Tewahedo canon, there are 81.
 

Angela53510

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It's interesting that certain denominations of Christianity have more than 66 books. In the Catholic canon, there are 73 books in all. In the Orthodox Tewahedo canon, there are 81.
The extra books in the Catholic canon called Apocrypha, or Deuterocanon are not inspired. They have errors, mistakes, and wrong doctrines. This is why they were rejected for the canon. The extra books in the Orthodox canon are ones from various ethnicities, and are not considered inspired, either.

My grandmother was Orthodox, and she used a Protestant Bible. I assume it was because she knew the books in the Protestant Bible were inspired by God. As opposed to questionable books written by men.

So, back the question of 66.
 
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jaybird88

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It's interesting that certain denominations of Christianity have more than 66 books. In the Catholic canon, there are 73 books in all. In the Orthodox Tewahedo canon, there are 81.
churches throw out books to make their doctrines work, or when they dont like a doctrine they just get rid of the book that teach it and then claim it wasnt insp[ired in the first place.
 

tanakh

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Up until the time of Constantine the various Churches around had different books. There was no set NT Cannon of Scripture and the O/T Septuagint translation was the norm for many which includes the Apocrypha. Martin Luther excluded the books of James, Jude and Revelation as being inspired and it was only after his death that they were put back in the Protestant Bible The Hebrew version of the OT includes all of our books but is arranged in such a way that the number comes to 51 At the other extreme the Ethiopian Orthodox Church has over 80.
 
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stillness

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Great point for today... The Bible? Or are the people of the world today deceived so we can no longer trust it... so no reason to believe in Messiah.... Maybe G-d failed at watching over His Word? Are the 66 Books now corrupt?
It's me who fails to watch, have to walk away from unresolved anger, I suggest you deal with it, like ask the Lord for help
 

FlSnookman7

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To those saying God's Word has been corrupted, you're saying that God, who spoke everything there is into existence can't keep His message pure through different translations of His Word? Really?
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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It's surprising to me how many people who are supposedly Christians keep banging on about various ways that they believe the Bible is not authentic enough for them. I could hang out at an atheist forum for this. It's 2018, the hour is getting late and I'm grateful I don't live in a country (yet) where The Word of God is banned or difficult to get hold of.