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stonesoffire

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Going out on a limb here, but I thinks you are under a lot of conviction about not having the walk to match the talk. If that's the case, you can change that and find peace and have no fear of the judgement that's coming to separate those who really do belong to Christ from those who don't. Breathe on our arm. If it feels warm there's still hope. It's after we die that we lose all chances to repent and make certain we belong to Christ through faith. I know this is not PC for a lot of people in and out of the church but it's the truth that can save a person.
You thinks wrong. Listen for a bit what we all are saying here. Might help you.
 

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"Ralph-"

Is your issue that you think people believe they can live however they want and expect eternal life, and that they're teaching it?
 
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Amen Lucy!!

Scripture is very clear on this

ONLY Yeshua has righteousness. Put it on as a breastplate. You can't claim a righteousness of your own.
If you do you, you are condemned.
 
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the power is called judgementalism. which Jesus said not to , unless we want to be judged. guess ralph kramdom thinks he is exempt. he is not.
Sharing the gospel truth is not judging.

And I was actually thinking about changing my pic to Ralph Kramden. I Googled some pics but couldn't decide which one to use.

Oh, and maybe you can point out which part of what I said condemns me. Is it the part about being changed and changing? Got that covered. Christ is at work in me. How 'bout you? ARe you ready for when Christ returns? Does your life show that you have the righteousness of God that comes by trusting in his forgiveness? I do and I'm not ashamed to say it. No Christians should be afraid to glorify God by boasting about what He is doing in them-Matthew 5:16. We are not to put our lights under bushel baskets but are to let our deeds shine to the glory of God.

“Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.

If you dont' have a light to shine, then, you don't have a light to shine! Get one! (not 'you', everyone).
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I disagree

They had dead faith not no faith.
I see A dead faith is no faith. Thats why it could not save. We are saved by faith, if we have no faith (just belief) we are nbot saved

again, i think it is a word issue

Faith means trust, it means assurance, based on a hope. If I have no trust, or assurance or hope. My faith is dead. And my outward actions will prove it, thats why james said I will prove my faiht by my works.

Words are meaningless. What comes from th shear it what matters

 
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"Ralph-"

Is your issue that you think people believe they can live however they want and expect eternal life, and that they're teaching it?
Only when they conveniently grab for the once saved always argument to justify their lack of works and being saved despite that.

The argument itself is quite meaningless. It doesn't change the fact that fruitless barren fields will be burned in the end.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I never heard of a time limit on bans before :eek:
If I understand right, there are band linmted, and permanent bans. very few bans are permanent. I have known a few who were banned, then came back using their own nic because the ban was removed.
 

stonesoffire

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By responding to life's situations according to the fruit of the Spirit.
And you do mean God's righteousness in me, right?


Yes. You'll see me stumble too, but you will see responses that are unnatural in human beings. And if you knew me ten years ago you'd see how much more today than then. God is being faithful to work this good thing in me.
Wait a minute. You previously said you have your own righteousness. Now you admit you have none of your own? Which is right now in your sight. ;)
 

stonesoffire

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Only when they conveniently grab for the once saved always argument to justify their lack of works and being saved despite that.

The argument itself is quite meaningless. It doesn't change the fact that fruitless barren fields will be burned in the end.
Judgemental much?
 
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You thinks wrong. Listen for a bit what we all are saying here. Might help you.
I had to ask. You are quite defensive. So are others. Defensiveness is always a bad sign. I was like that before I got saved.
 
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Wait a minute. You previously said you have your own righteousness. Now you admit you have none of your own? Which is right now in your sight. ;)
Uh oh, here comes the attacks......

Never said I have my own righteousness.
 

stonesoffire

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I had to ask. You are quite defensive. So are others. Defensiveness is always a bad sign. I was like that before I got saved.

Defensive? I try not to offend but offer what I know I've learned.

No condemnation ralph.

Are you really a man? The way you speak sounds more feminine to me.
 
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This is the key verse to understanding James

[SUP]12 [/SUP]So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.
James 2:12


James is writing to the Jews, who are learning how to come out from under the Law and what role works have to play in their final judgment.

The question of faith has already been settled, we are saved by faith, James knew this he was a born again believer.

James is teaching on the profitable life of the Christian and being judged by the law of liberty when we stand before God

[SUP]12 [/SUP]So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.
James 2:12

Those under the law of liberty are already justified by faith in Christ.

Faith alone does not profit because we are already justified by faith, for the believer’s judgement before God it is works that will be Rewarded, that is why he is stressing works


As well, he plainly states that dead faith, is faith that is alone….works are not to save but to bear witness of who we are in Christ and for eternal rewards.

Dead here means ineffective to show who were are in Christ ....NOT for salvation.
Great explanation Sis. :cool:

This truth is so attacked and hidden in todays world of "faith without works is dead." really means you are not saved or were never really saved.

Very,very very few believers have James figured out as applied to all His word. Encouraging to read and know you have it applied as we should as believers.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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This is the key verse to understanding James

[SUP]12 [/SUP]So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.
James 2:12


James is writing to the Jews, who are learning how to come out from under the Law and what role works have to play in their final judgment.

The question of faith has already been settled, we are saved by faith, James knew this he was a born again believer.

James is teaching on the profitable life of the Christian and being judged by the law of liberty when we stand before God

[SUP]12 [/SUP]So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.
James 2:12

Those under the law of liberty are already justified by faith in Christ.

Faith alone does not profit because we are already justified by faith, for the believer’s judgement before God it is works that will be Rewarded, that is why he is stressing works


As well, he plainly states that dead faith, is faith that is alone….works are not to save but to bear witness of who we are in Christ and for eternal rewards.

Dead here means ineffective to show who were are in Christ ....NOT for salvation.
Interesting, Never seen it this way.

I see james as telling the people he wrote to to test their faith to see if it is real or not. To be doers of the word also. Not just doers. He was saying people who have just a claimed faith are equal with demons, who also believes yet tremble. (Ie anyone can claim to have faith, but does that mean they really had it?

he also said, can a claimed faith save them? (The context of the whole argument, if one claims to have faith but have not works, can THAT CLAIMED FAITH save them? So to me it is not about sanctification, but about justification.

James to me is fighting easy believism like Jude was speaking against licentiousness. I believe they both spoke of the same thing,
 

stonesoffire

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Uh oh, here comes the attacks......

Never said I have my own righteousness.
I know you said you are righteous. Different than identifying with His. Was that not you? Not an attack. You have never seen me attack. Not that I couldn't. I wont.
 
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Defensive? I try not to offend but offer what I know I've learned.

No condemnation ralph.

Are you really a man? The way you speak sounds more feminine to me.
Be strong, Ralph-......whoever you are.

The attacks have started. It's like telling a chain smoker they have to stop smoking. You take your life into your hands when you do that.

Everybody who is building the temple of God should remember there are the enemies round about trying to defeat what you're doing. Bible readers to the left of Matthew will know what I'm alluding to.
 
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Number of people who have changed their belief from all the number of posts presented by opposing beliefs-0.

The debate continues.

That is one thing about a debate for it is like a boxing match as they use different approaches to the same conclusion in hopes to cause the other person to see it their way,and that is why it can drag on so long.

A right jab here,a left hook there,a straight right,an uppercut,coming in at different angles with their debate,wording it differently,using different tactics,hoping to get in that knock out blow to put them away and win them over to their belief.

It can go on for a 1000 years,but who changes their beliefs.

Number of people who have changed their belief from all the number of posts presented by opposing beliefs-0.

The debate continues.

You will not be hearing,Yo Adrian,I did it,on this thread.