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Off topic, but needs to be addressed for clarification sake.
"Sort of new" is "been here for two days to one month." If you can last on this site for more than 4 months, you are no longer noob. Youse is OLD!
Youse is OLD, dude. You've lasted longer than I did the first time. lol Whatever you know after four months, it is safe to assume you've got the personalities down fairly well.
(And "Youse" just because I live in Philly, so I'm supposed to use that word. lol)
"Sort of new" is "been here for two days to one month." If you can last on this site for more than 4 months, you are no longer noob. Youse is OLD!
Youse is OLD, dude. You've lasted longer than I did the first time. lol Whatever you know after four months, it is safe to assume you've got the personalities down fairly well.
(And "Youse" just because I live in Philly, so I'm supposed to use that word. lol)
First of all I don't like to be called a Calvinest since I don't know noting about him, I'm a Christian and I never said election was unconditional, infact there is only one unforgivable sin and only the elects can do it.
In verse 29 Paul wrote that God foreknew us and he predestined some of us to be firstborn of many, firstborn means that they are saved and he will use them for his purpose.
Verse 30 Those he predestined he also called for his purpose, those he called he also justified, that means he judged them and found them to be righteous, and them he also glorified, the word elect means tried and found to be righteous. God bless
In verse 29 Paul wrote that God foreknew us and he predestined some of us to be firstborn of many, firstborn means that they are saved and he will use them for his purpose.
Verse 30 Those he predestined he also called for his purpose, those he called he also justified, that means he judged them and found them to be righteous, and them he also glorified, the word elect means tried and found to be righteous. God bless
Here's the whole thing in a nutshell and why people get so emotional over this:
- One group is dead set on proving God chose or saved them because of something they did, like responding, or whatever, in total defiance and loathing of Biblical unconditional election. This is all contrary to 1 Corinthians 1:26-31 teaching and other Scriptures. Most believe they had inherent faith and voted themselves into heaven. This is contrary to 2 Peter 1:1, Ephesians 1:19.
- The other group is dead set to prove from Scripture that God did all the saving, from choosing whom he willed to save to glorification and everything else in between, based on his purpose and will, and based in absolutely nothing in man. It is Soli Deo Gloria. This truth is witnessed throughout Scripture and is not erased by John 3:16 and a slough of "whosoever" verses no matter how hard the others try to pit Scripture against Scripture.
The fight is summed up in this: One group believes they had something to do with their salvation and reason as to why God saved them, the other group gives all the glory to God. Battling for the former over the latter is absurd to put it lightly, it is Romans 9:20. But that is what they are doing, it's a belligerency to prove they had something to do with why God chose them, or more plainly, why they are saved.
- One group is dead set on proving God chose or saved them because of something they did, like responding, or whatever, in total defiance and loathing of Biblical unconditional election. This is all contrary to 1 Corinthians 1:26-31 teaching and other Scriptures. Most believe they had inherent faith and voted themselves into heaven. This is contrary to 2 Peter 1:1, Ephesians 1:19.
- The other group is dead set to prove from Scripture that God did all the saving, from choosing whom he willed to save to glorification and everything else in between, based on his purpose and will, and based in absolutely nothing in man. It is Soli Deo Gloria. This truth is witnessed throughout Scripture and is not erased by John 3:16 and a slough of "whosoever" verses no matter how hard the others try to pit Scripture against Scripture.
The fight is summed up in this: One group believes they had something to do with their salvation and reason as to why God saved them, the other group gives all the glory to God. Battling for the former over the latter is absurd to put it lightly, it is Romans 9:20. But that is what they are doing, it's a belligerency to prove they had something to do with why God chose them, or more plainly, why they are saved.
That wasn't my objective Captain Obvious. Are you always this sharp? 
But we're pretty certain, are we not, that you're only going to reject Biblical revelation that proves this, while go out of context, while pitting Scripture against Scripture, correct? I've witnessed no other method from anti-Cals. Tell me, you're unique, right? I've read many works by noted theologians who go against this truth, and they all fail, every single one of them. But you have a new way to do it, right, because you're more versed and knowledgeable, or do you use their same erroneous arguments?
But we're pretty certain, are we not, that you're only going to reject Biblical revelation that proves this, while go out of context, while pitting Scripture against Scripture, correct? I've witnessed no other method from anti-Cals. Tell me, you're unique, right? I've read many works by noted theologians who go against this truth, and they all fail, every single one of them. But you have a new way to do it, right, because you're more versed and knowledgeable, or do you use their same erroneous arguments?
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Have you ever seen OH "study?" He's done lots of "studies" on this site. None of them were studying. They were teachings. He was the teacher and everyone else was the student.
He will pull out old notes he had on Romans 9, and answer questions to what he said, but he does NOT study with people. There is a completely different feel with studying and being teached-at. He's the teach-at type.
And I say this as someone who has learned from him, but I really did get I was supposed to be the student and he was the teacher. Whenever someone disagrees, after a bit, he tends to tell the person they don't have to stay, and then goes back to teaching from his notes. It's like disagreeing with your Semantics professor. You can disagree all you want, but the test is only about what the professor believes, not what you disagree with, so might as well sit back and accept it. This isn't studying. It's teaching!
He will pull out old notes he had on Romans 9, and answer questions to what he said, but he does NOT study with people. There is a completely different feel with studying and being teached-at. He's the teach-at type.
And I say this as someone who has learned from him, but I really did get I was supposed to be the student and he was the teacher. Whenever someone disagrees, after a bit, he tends to tell the person they don't have to stay, and then goes back to teaching from his notes. It's like disagreeing with your Semantics professor. You can disagree all you want, but the test is only about what the professor believes, not what you disagree with, so might as well sit back and accept it. This isn't studying. It's teaching!
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Anyhow, I'm out of here, going to read some Puritan writ to further my brain washing. I'll be back and more Calvinist than ever!!!!
p.s. Someone PM me when the whole thing has been settled and the anti's stop censuring God.
p.s. Someone PM me when the whole thing has been settled and the anti's stop censuring God.