Gods elects
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I think it can. Wouldn't the fact that no one can come unless drawn prove this?
But, then this is off topic? Which we don't really know unless we watch, huh?
It does go with the title though.
But, then this is off topic? Which we don't really know unless we watch, huh?
It does go with the title though.
Paul answers the question...why has national Israel gotten so far off track....
he had just explained the golden Chain of redemption in romans 8;29-39.....
Then he explains that although Israel as a nation was chosen to have believers in it, NOT EVERY SINGLE ISRAELITE of physical descent was in "the Israel of God"
Paul makes a distinction between physical descent[sperma]...and spiritual children of promise[teknon]
Not all israel was of Israel....
he demonstrates it by showing Individual election even down to twins in the womb......one loved, one hated.....not nations as spoken of in malachi, but individuals.....
God has mercy on who he will....
Even to individual gentiles who come in on equal footing.....replacing broken off branches[unbelieving, covenant breaking jews]...with elect gentiles.....same pattern he preaches in acts 13:
46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
he had just explained the golden Chain of redemption in romans 8;29-39.....
Then he explains that although Israel as a nation was chosen to have believers in it, NOT EVERY SINGLE ISRAELITE of physical descent was in "the Israel of God"
Paul makes a distinction between physical descent[sperma]...and spiritual children of promise[teknon]
Not all israel was of Israel....
he demonstrates it by showing Individual election even down to twins in the womb......one loved, one hated.....not nations as spoken of in malachi, but individuals.....
God has mercy on who he will....
Even to individual gentiles who come in on equal footing.....replacing broken off branches[unbelieving, covenant breaking jews]...with elect gentiles.....same pattern he preaches in acts 13:
46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
i am sort of new here...but i have not seen this poster attempt to address scripture at all???
Does he ever make a scriptural argument?
he asked if i was joking??? no..i was not joking...everyone posts what they think is truth...no one posts and says...I know this is not true, but i will post it anyway...so when N6 says...he or she is opinionated//// this is true for every poster, so why make such a statement...i think it is because very little scripture is available for them to offer.
Does he ever make a scriptural argument?
he asked if i was joking??? no..i was not joking...everyone posts what they think is truth...no one posts and says...I know this is not true, but i will post it anyway...so when N6 says...he or she is opinionated//// this is true for every poster, so why make such a statement...i think it is because very little scripture is available for them to offer.
Hello celib, you are free to do what you want...but so are confessional christians. in other words...everyone says...I just believe the bible...but the question is...What does the bible teach.
In the Confessions...they use a ton of scripture...then they say...this is what we believe the scripture says.
i have never seen a non confessional person hold their own with a confessional person.
In the Confessions...they use a ton of scripture...then they say...this is what we believe the scripture says.
i have never seen a non confessional person hold their own with a confessional person.
that is as foolish as saying men send themselves to hell. I could stay in romans all day, but have to go back to work...I see romans 8-11 as one unit of thought, i can stay in there all day if you want..when i have the time, going back to work now however...can i ask you to list as many questions on this passage as you can, and we will see if we can help find a solution here
I already have addressed it here http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/162519-what-romans-9-about.html#post3424779
